half 2-C is against the standards and should be eliminated

[Ss3micah]

wasn't the whole point of the DBS feat problem that fusion attacks generate and "unquanitifable" times much energy due to its portrayal in fiction and thus can't just be divided between two characters?
I don't agree with that sentiment but it doesn't change the fact that afaik beerus and champa were considered to be below 50% of 2-C

Im not sure where the premise of fusion attacks generate an "unquantifiable times much energy factors in here considering that in this case the Energy in question is not exactly merging into each other and multiplying but more so clashing against each other and the resulting explosive force creates shockwaves that expands outwards and affects everything around......but that's neither here nor there

The main point here is THIS:
Both Beerus and Champa by casually clashing with each other are able to produce a 2-C Feat.
Given that our standards that once in Tier 2, multipliers and dividends cannot be used to manipulate tiering, no amount of dividing the force of the 2-C feat should result in Low 2-C. That is blatant ignoring the standard that has been set in place because you using DIVISION to make a 2-C Feat become Low 2-C.

Similarly to how we can't use multiplication to make a Low 2-C Feat (thats Half 2-C in this case) 2-C by multiplying the Low 2-C Force by 2
We should not be able to turn a 2-C feat into Low 2-C by dividing the force of the 2-C Feat by half.
And if we are allowing division of force to result in changes in Tier 2 then there is no reason why the inverse can't be said for Multiplication as welll...... otherwise Math is Dead.

The Answer is Simple:
Beerus and Champa casually made a 2-C Feat occur and both individually downscale from that which although makes them less than Baseline 2-C they are still 2-C.
Infinite divided by any number is still Infinite after all

 

[Therefir]

wasn't the whole point of the DBS feat problem that fusion attacks generate and "unquanitifable" times much energy

Uh? Since when?

@Antvasima I think this thread is pretty important, there are holes in our Tier system, you should probably summon more staff here.

 

[Arceus0x]

Uh? Since when?

@Antvasima I think this thread is pretty important, there are holes in our Tier system, you should probably summon more staff here.

I think i heard this many times around the place and the first time was from uh...AKM i think?

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Atleast Low 2-C At Most 2-C makes sense to me

 

[Omegabronic]

low 2-C is an impossibility by our current standards, at least low 2-C doesn't make any sense since we do not consider 2-C to be 2x low 2-C

 

[Lou_change]

This seems like a scenario we don't have a standard for like trying to find the striking strength of an Incorporeal being meaning slap an unknown rating on it because it can't be defined by the used system

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

If we are talking about the validity of half 2-C, then let’s specifically talk about it.

2-C is not based in math but simple logic. Characters who can destroy 2 universes at once, are eligible for this tier. It’s a yes or no question.

Can Beerus or Champa destroy two universes at once?

 

[Omegabronic]

If we are talking about the validity of half 2-C, then let’s specifically talk about it.

2-C is not based in math but simple logic. Characters who can destroy 2 universes at once, are eligible for this tier. It’s a yes or no question.

Can Beerus or Champa destroy two universes at once?

it is more complicated then that, while the logic is true, it is also true that it cannot be low 2-C since you cannot change tiers solely on multipliers or dividends in tier 2 and above, so that is why i proposed the "at most" rating with the explanations of how many times said character downscales from the 2-C feat

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Considering Beerus and Champa would've likely survived the destruction of 2 universes, and Whis/Vados had no issue enduring their 2-C clash, they should be scaled period.

bruh...

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Can Beerus or Champa destroy two universes at once?

AP vs DC.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

it is more complicated then that, while the logic is true, it is also true that it cannot be low 2-C since you cannot change tiers solely on multipliers or dividends in tier 2 and above, so that is why i proposed the "at most" rating with the explanations of how many times said character downscales from the 2-C feat

Characters are given tiers of which they are stronger than but haven’t reached the requirements of next tier all the time. Beerus can get an “At least Low 2-C” and that would solve that issue.

AP vs DC.

for AP, has Beerus shown the capacity to harm someone with 2-C durability?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

If we are talking about the validity of half 2-C, then let’s specifically talk about it.

2-C is not based in math but simple logic. Characters who can destroy 2 universes at once, are eligible for this tier. It’s a yes or no question.

Can Beerus or Champa destroy two universes at once?

Yes, they can! There are two Universal size structures in Universe 7, hell and heaven (I accept that it is Universe size in vsbttles ), but I believe so.
Here

 

[Arceus0x]

AP vs DC.

AP/DC - Bap in Blap

 

[Omegabronic]

Characters are given tiers of which they are stronger than but haven’t reached the requirements of next tier all the time. Beerus can get an “At least Low 2-C” and that would solve that issue.

it wouldn't at all since you cannot get lower from 2-C with dividends alone period, beerus could be 10000000000x weaker than baseline 2-C and he would still be 2-C, that is how our standards are currently

 

[StekFence]

So he’s high low 2-c

 

[Omegabronic]

Yes, they can! There are two Universal size structures in Universe 7, hell and heaven (I accept that it is Universe size in vsbttles ), but I believe so.
Here

this thread is not to debate this, i ask kindly not only to you but everyone else to not derail this thread with other verses, this is about our standards regarding this part of the tier 2, other verses are not relevant in the slightest, thank you

 

[Hasty12345]

We either downgrade them to 3-A or upgrade them to 2-C, none of this “half low 2-C” bs.

I for one agree with the upgrade given how we treat the DBS cosmology.

 

[Bobsican]

I also agree with the upgrade

 

[Omegabronic]

We either downgrade them to 3-A or upgrade them to 2-C, none of this “half low 2-C” bs.

I for one agree with the upgrade given how we treat the DBS cosmology.

you guys do understand that this isn't a db revision and that it will affect sonic characters as well as any characters that might come in the future right? the eggsalamander is very sad to be ignored

 

[Robo432343]

goku....
i agree

 

[Robo432343]

you guys do understand that this isn't a db revision and that it will affect sonic characters as well as any characters that might come in the future right? the eggsalamander is very sad to be ignored

the most popular one is db thats why everyone talking about it

 

[Hasty12345]

you guys do understand that this isn't a db revision and that it will affect sonic characters as well as any characters that might come in the future right? the eggsalamander is very sad to be ignored

There’s no hiding what this CRT is about.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Is DB really more popular than Sonic tho?

 

[Robo432343]

Is DB really more popular than Sonic tho?

not the time to talk abt this bro

 

[JED]

you guys do understand that this isn't a db revision and that it will affect sonic characters as well as any characters that might come in the future right? the eggsalamander is very sad to be ignored

Please 2-C Egg Salamander is based and accurate
Agree with OP

 

[Thelastmlg]

Something tells me we are gonna revise tier 2 (i mean, apparentely another staff member was gonna merge 2-C and 2-B or something), another wide revision thanks to db and sonic but **** you eggsalamander

 

[Omegabronic]

Something tells me we are gonna revise tier 2 (i mean, apparentely another staff member was gonna merge 2-C and 2-B or something), another wide revision thanks to db and sonic but **** you eggsalamander

he still beats mui goku goku tho

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

he still beats mui goku goku tho

No.

 

[Aachintya31]

Something tells me we are gonna revise tier 2 (i mean, apparentely another staff member was gonna merge 2-C and 2-B or something), another wide revision thanks to db and sonic but **** you eggsalamander

It failed.

 

[Omegabronic]

No.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dbs-gokus-strongest-challenger-yet.116588/ cry

 

[KLOL506]

Void Termina scales to 120x Magolor-level people, who scale to 15-16 universes worth in 2-C.

That would put Void Termina and Post-Star Allies people from the Kirby verse at 1800-1920 universes, aka over 1000 universes

Even ignoring the current Tier 2 standards, this way of finding out scaling chains is also problematic.

For starters, we don't assume similar characters to have their power accumulate and combine like that unless there are explicit statements confirming as such. So 120 2-C characters (Assuming 15-16 universes each), without explicit confirmation, even if they punched in the same exact spot in your body, would not be a 1800-1920 universe attack. It'd just be 15-16 universes as greater endurance.

This also applies to our other tiers, like say, two 9-As each being 0.2 tons of TNT. Them attacking you in the same spot at the same time (Like say, your stomach) would not be a 0.4 ton TNT attack, it'd be a 0.2 ton TNT attack regardless + endurance, unless we have explicit confirmation from source material that their attacks combined together to become one single unit.

 

[KLOL506]

It failed.

Ultima has bigger plans for Tier 2 that'll render our current Tier 2 revisions null and void and unfuck it overall, but best to wait for that instead.

 

[KLOL506]

you guys do understand that this isn't a db revision and that it will affect sonic characters as well as any characters that might come in the future right? the eggsalamander is very sad to be ignored

Tier 2 is gonna get another unfuckening so maybe it won't matter in the end

 

[Eseseso]

Tier 2 is gonna get another unfuckening so maybe it won't matter in the end

Any details you can share?

 

[Therefir]

Ultima has bigger plans for Tier 2 that'll render our current Tier 2 revisions null and void and unfuck it overall, but best to wait for that instead.

That sounds good, but for the time being, what should we do in cases where we have characters that are 5 or 10 times weaker than their 2-C form?

 

[Aachintya31]

Ultima has bigger plans for Tier 2 that'll render our current Tier 2 revisions null and void and unfuck it overall, but best to wait for that instead.

Me after waiting for those revisions

 

[KLOL506]

That sounds good, but for the time being, what should we do in cases where we have characters that are 5 or 10 times weaker than their 2-C form?

Downscale them and give them an "at most" rating.

 

[Huesito88]

Ultima has bigger plans for Tier 2 that'll render our current Tier 2 revisions null and void and unfuck it overall, but best to wait for that instead.

How long is the wait time?

 

[Eseseso]

Downscale them and give them an "at most" rating.

I'd be ok with that.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Downscale them and give them an "at most" rating.

This seems like the most safe option