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half 2-C is against the standards and should be eliminated

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omegabronic said:
nope, because of these two https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Heavy_King
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Time Eater

The Time Eater (タイム・イーター Taimu Ītā) is one of the primary antagonists of 2011's Sonic Generations, a primordial creature with the eponymous ability to erase space-time. Not much is known about the creature other than it having drifted throughout the vast expanse of space within the universe for...
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only one that would really get that is blaze since she only eer fought 2-Cs and 2-B

but alas
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Tbh they would be via scaling from the Super Forms
 
Antvasima said:
Can somebody explain what neens to be evaluated here please?
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TL;DR, two characters busting two timelines as 2-C can't be halved to get Low 2-C, it'd still be 2-C but unquantifiably below baseline as per our current standards for Tier 2 in general, given that we have a strict policy against getting higher into Tier 2 with multipliers and because of how Tier 2 and above work where even causing miniscule damage to a Tier 2/1 structure would still cause you to be Tier 2/1 but unquantifiably below baseline because division doesn't work there anymore due to their nature, so Beerus and co. will be rated as "At most 2-C".

Any other verse following the logic of still being at "At least Low 2-C" because of this (At least Low 2-C per character since two characters of equal strength caused a 2-C feat), Sonic at the moment, would also thus be upgraded as a result.
 
Antvasima said:
Can somebody explain what neens to be evaluated here please?
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KLOL506 said:
TL;DR, two characters busting two timelines as 2-C can't be halved to get Low 2-C, it'd still be 2-C but unquantifiably below baseline as per our current standards for Tier 2 in general, given that we have a strict policy against getting higher into Tier 2 with multipliers and because of how Tier 2 and above work where even causing miniscule damage to a Tier 2/1 structure would still cause you to be Tier 2/1 but unquantifiably below baseline because division doesn't work there anymore due to their nature, so Beerus and co. will be rated as "At most 2-C".

Any other verse following the logic of still being at "At least Low 2-C" because of this (At least Low 2-C per character since two characters of equal strength caused a 2-C feat), Sonic at the moment, would also thus be upgraded as a result.
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Thank you. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

@DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 @Ultima_Reality

What do you think about this?
 
KLOL506 said:
TL;DR, two characters busting two timelines as 2-C can't be halved to get Low 2-C, it'd still be 2-C but unquantifiably below baseline as per our current standards for Tier 2 in general, given that we have a strict policy against getting higher into Tier 2 with multipliers and because of how Tier 2 and above work where even causing miniscule damage to a Tier 2/1 structure would still cause you to be Tier 2/1 but unquantifiably below baseline because division doesn't work there anymore due to their nature, so Beerus and co. will be rated as "At most 2-C".

Any other verse following the logic of still being at "At least Low 2-C" because of this (At least Low 2-C per character since two characters of equal strength caused a 2-C feat), Sonic at the moment, would also thus be upgraded as a result.
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I guess at most 2-C is fine.
 
KLOL506 said:
TL;DR, two characters busting two timelines as 2-C can't be halved to get Low 2-C, it'd still be 2-C but unquantifiably below baseline as per our current standards for Tier 2 in general, given that we have a strict policy against getting higher into Tier 2 with multipliers and because of how Tier 2 and above work where even causing miniscule damage to a Tier 2/1 structure would still cause you to be Tier 2/1 but unquantifiably below baseline because division doesn't work there anymore due to their nature, so Beerus and co. will be rated as "At most 2-C".

Any other verse following the logic of still being at "At least Low 2-C" because of this (At least Low 2-C per character since two characters of equal strength caused a 2-C feat), Sonic at the moment, would also thus be upgraded as a result.
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Would someone who downscales from multipliers to someone above baseline 2-C still be 2-C?
 
That's what I said, chip damaging a 2-C character would still be 2-C even if "At most" might be needed. Though I mentioned that combined might of two characters being needed to perform a baseline 2-C feat was what I considered an unknown degree above baseline Low 2-C. I'll wait for when Ultima is ready to tackle his side, but it may also include group efforts to also be within the "At most 2-C" department as opposed to Low 2-C.

Also, to answer omega's question, normally the upscaling Low 2-C to 2-C isn't allowed with the exception that there actually was a 2-C feat being downscaled. Where as downscaling from a 2-C feat being at least half of that is currently accepted. However, it is possible it might just be 2-C with "At most" added. But we're waiting for that revision first.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
That's what I said, chip damaging a 2-C character would still be 2-C even if "At most" might be needed.
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That is correct.

DarkDragonMedeus said:
Though I mentioned that combined might of two characters being needed to perform a baseline 2-C feat was what I considered an unknown degree above baseline Low 2-C.
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Not anymore, standards make it unquantifiably below baseline 2-C, but still 2-C nonetheless.

DarkDragonMedeus said:
I'll wait for when Ultima is ready to tackle his side, but it may also include group efforts to also be within the "At most 2-C" department as opposed to Low 2-C.
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Best to just wait then, he's recuperating from COVID but still not yet ready to get back to work.

DarkDragonMedeus said:
Also, to answer omega's question, normally the upscaling Low 2-C to 2-C isn't allowed with the exception that there actually was a 2-C feat being downscaled. Where as downscaling from a 2-C feat being at least half of that is currently accepted. However, it is possible it might just be 2-C with "At most" added. But we're waiting for that revision first.
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The "At most 2-C" part at the moment needs no sitewide revision with the current standards. Ultima's upcoming Tier 2 CRT is a whole other beast completely unrelated to this, it was just merely something I wanted people to keep in mind as a general thing.
 
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
That's what I said, chip damaging a 2-C character would still be 2-C even if "At most" might be needed. Though I mentioned that combined might of two characters being needed to perform a baseline 2-C feat was what I considered an unknown degree above baseline Low 2-C. I'll wait for when Ultima is ready to tackle his side, but it may also include group efforts to also be within the "At most 2-C" department as opposed to Low 2-C.

Also, to answer omega's question, normally the upscaling Low 2-C to 2-C isn't allowed with the exception that there actually was a 2-C feat being downscaled. Where as downscaling from a 2-C feat being at least half of that is currently accepted. However, it is possible it might just be 2-C with "At most" added. But we're waiting for that revision first.
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This thing reeks of being afraid of making Beerus 2-C 👽
 
StrymULTRA said:
This thing reeks of being afraid of making Beerus 2-C 👽
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You say that as if I don't want that to happen despite me agreeing with something similar contrary before hand

But anyway, stay on topic. But anyway, what KLOL said still. I will wait and don't really mind that much.
 
KLOL506 said:
Funny. DBGT gets the full 2-C package treatment.

DBS is stuck with fodder BS.
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I mean, SSJ4FP Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta could scale to 1/10th of a 3-Universe 2-C, while Beerus level people are 1/2 of 2-Universe 2-C, so Beerus lvl people would be above SSJ4FP Goku.

Okay, that's kinda sad, yeah DBS is getting left in the ******* dust.
 
Eseseso said:
I mean, SSJ4FP Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta could scale to 1/10th of a 3-Universe 2-C, while Beerus level people are 1/2 of 2-Universe 2-C, so Beerus lvl people would be above SSJ4FP Goku.

Okay, that's kinda sad, yeah DBS is getting left in the ******* dust.
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SSJ4FP Goku scales directly to the 3-Universe 2-C actually, Vegeta is the one that scales to Syn although he does scale to positive Nuova I'm pretty sure, who scales down from Omega
 
Eseseso said:
I mean, SSJ4FP Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta could scale to 1/10th of a 3-Universe 2-C, while Beerus level people are 1/2 of 2-Universe 2-C, so Beerus lvl people would be above SSJ4FP Goku.

Okay, that's kinda sad, yeah DBS is getting left in the ******* dust.
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Nah, because they still scale to 3 universes instead of 2, DBGT would be just below baseline 3 universes, but still superior to whatever scaling 2 universes are here.
 
StrymULTRA said:
How does this affect Sonic charas? I did not get a good answer yet lol.
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Egg Salamander gets buffed to "At most 2-C" and is the only one who gets that rating (as Supers already scale to 12 universes from Time Eater's 2-C rating), Super Forms keep Low 2-C due to the Time Eater's low-end but get the "At least" removed from it, and... that's about it. There are plans to maybe upgrade the Time Eater, thus removing Low 2-C altogether, but that's not for this particular thread so we'll see where that goes.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Super Forms keep Low 2-C due to the Time Eater's low-end but get the "At least" removed from it, and... that's about it. There are plans to maybe upgrade the Time Eater, this removing Low 2-C altogether, but that's not for this particular thread so we'll see where that goes.
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About that, wouldn't the Time Eater just be 2-C due to scaling from the Super Forms?
 
StrymULTRA said:
About that, wouldn't the Time Eater just be 2-C due to scaling from the Super Forms?
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Well, Time Eater's feat was at first only considered to be Low 2-C until the 2-C end got added. It'd just need a simple CRT to fully hash-out dropping the Low 2-C rating altogether, which is what I was referencing in my post. I know several supporters who agree with you
 
ShakeResounding said:
Well, Time Eater's feat was at first only considered to be Low 2-C until the 2-C end got added. It'd just need a simple CRT to fully hash-out dropping the Low 2-C rating altogether, which is what I was referencing in my post. I know several supporters who agree with you
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Phantom king?
 
Eseseso said:
I mean, SSJ4FP Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta could scale to 1/10th of a 3-Universe 2-C, while Beerus level people are 1/2 of 2-Universe 2-C, so Beerus lvl people would be above SSJ4FP Goku.

Okay, that's kinda sad, yeah DBS is getting left in the ******* dust.
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Since it’s 3 space times they’re 10x weaker than 3 space times but unquantifablely above 2 space time 2-C
 
I’m assuming the profile refers to when Whis chopped beerus on the neck, instantly koing him. However, a neck chop works by manipulating blood flow to induce unconsciousness, so it’s kinda dura neg. Now that I think of it, is it really a good feat? All it shows is whis is strong enough to push beerus’ neck around.
 
StekFence said:
I’m assuming the profile refers to when Whis chopped beerus on the neck, instantly koing him. However, a neck chop works by manipulating blood flow to induce unconsciousness, so it’s kinda dura neg. Now that I think of it, is it really a good feat? All it shows is whis is strong enough to push beerus’ neck around.
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I’m not denying whis is stronger than beerus, I’m just saying this feat might not be the best for showing it if I’m right. Idk, maybe I’m wrong
 
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