Examining RWBY scaling for high tier characters

[TheRustyOne]

I made a blog for the characters that are being downgraded, how does this look?

I also made a Base key for Raven since she should have one.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Job well done,I also completly agree with the OP.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Since there is opposition I'd rather not push it through immediately, however the updated profiles look sick.

 

[Schnee_One]

Since there is opposition I'd rather not push it through immediately, however the updated profiles look sick.

I like Weekly, so I mean zero offense to him

But the only opposition has zero reasons why

 

[Schnee_One]

As for why I'm saying this I think it's ultimately unanimous with exception of a disagreement without reasons

 

[TheRustyOne]

Wait, since we're saying Pro Huntsmen are 8-B should Oobleck be 8-B?

As a Pro he should be able to defeat a Goliath. (Goliath grimm are smart enough to know that if they attack the human cities, they'll die. This implies Pro Hunstmen can deal with them)

 

[Schnee_One]

Probably yes

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Eh, I'd rather leave it open so that if Weekly has something new to bring to the table we hear it here rather than another CRT.

Support:

Me, Damage, Gargoyle, Maverick, Ricsi, Desmond, Rebuble, Kalitas, Rusty, Jinx, Sigurd, Kuul, Dziga, Zen

Neutral:

DarkDragon

In Opposition:

Weekly

 

[Ryukama]

TBH I've always felt that weather manipulation feats should not be scaled to physical AP/dura unless the character outright causes the storm with their punch, like All Might.

I mean magically poofing clouds out of nowhere and punching with the force to shatter a mountain are two different superpowers.

I'm personally neutral like DarkDragon though.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Ryu It does scale to physicals in this case, this has already been discussed before, multiple times in RWBY's case

 

[TheRustyOne]

Ozpin was able to take attacks from Cinder's magic and even break through her magic barrier with physical blows. Raven is the same, they fought both physically and with magic.

 

[Ryukama]

Ok

 

[RegisNex1232]

The OP makes sense. I don't think stats without any justification should be used in the profiles. I agree overall with the OP.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

They have perfectly acceptable justifications

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

>.<

 

[RegisNex1232]

Doesn't seem like there are any, given what Damage already said and how there is no proper counter argument.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Weekly

Could you sumarize your points in one post?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Regis It's not that Weekly doesn't have any points, it's that there has been no response to any of the latest rebuttals which debunked the statements that were linked. And this is why I did grace, there are clearly more input to be heard.

Support:

Me, Damage, Gargoyle, Maverick, Ricsi, Desmond, Rebuble, Kalitas, Rusty, Jinx, Sigurd, Kuul, Dziga, Zen, Regis

Neutral:

DarkDragon, Ryu

In Opposition:

Weekly

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Unless there is some specific context, I fail to see how these don't scale to each other.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Unless there is some specific context, I fail to see how these don't scale to each other.

They do, they just don't scale to the Hunters, which was the point of this thread.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Matt

• Glynda fought half Maiden Cinder in the first five minutes of the series
• Salem tasked Tyrian with hunting down the Spring Maiden
  • Tyiran and Hazel are later confirmed to have killed dozens of pro huntsmen
• Qrow stated that he, Leo, and Raven working together could take on a Maiden (This is before Raven was revealed to be a Maiden)
• Watts, after working with full maiden Cinder for months at this point and just after witnessing Raven's storm feat, worries that Qrow wont go down easily

Basically people are trying to downgrade because "Its just how people are reacting to each other"

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm looking at the scenes in the OP. I never watched a single episode of RWBY, but:

Cinder was surprised with his presence, felt the need to dodge the guy's attacks, and then left rather than facing him, which is illogical if they have such a wide power gap. You can speculate about "She didn't know if he was alone" but that's getting into theorizing, and not going by what's being shown.

Yeah, no. These two clearly scale to each other going by this scene. They traded magical attacks and blocked each other's attacks.

So even in the context of the videos the OP posted as an argument for a downgrade, I'm against it.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Matt

• OP explains how only one casual attack is blocked, and Ruby tanks a similar attack, yet doesn't scale.

• That doesn't imply scaling to the Maiden, as "hunting" and "fighting equally" are two very different concepts.

• Large groups taking down an opponent doesn't mean scaling, and Qrow isn't the most reliable source seeing as he has never fought a Maiden.

• "Not going down easily" does not imply direct scaling.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Matt

• Salem tasked Tyrian with hunting down the Spring Maiden
  • Tyiran and Hazel are later confirmed to have killed dozens of pro huntsmen
• Qrow stated that he, Leo, and Raven working together could take on a Maiden (This is before Raven was revealed to be a Maiden)
• Watts, after working with full maiden Cinder for months at this point and just after witnessing Raven's storm feat, worries that Qrow wont go down easily

Can you show links to all of these? Add to the two videos that show characters directly fighting and there's really no reason for a downgrade.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Being surprised has nothing to do with context. She likely just didn't know what he was capable of and made her escape. None of that impies scaling.

She only blocks one attack, then dodges the rest. And Ruby takes an attack in the same context, so I don't understand how you want to apply scaling in one instance and not another.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Matt

Salem telling Tyrian to hunt for the Spring Maiden.

Qrow says that he and Leo can take on a Maiden along with Rave.

Watts is worried that Qrow won't go done easily.

Gimme a few minutes and i'll find the scene where Tyrian and Hazel are confirmed to have killed huntsmen

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Matt's always had a good sense of judgement when it comes to power scaling. ^^

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The fact that she had to dodge his attack and chose to retreat shows that she considers him a threat.

Yes, she blocks an attack and counters, and is coutnered back. Their magic is depicted as comparable in this scene, unarguably.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

As I have said, statements like "we can take them" and "they might be trouble" don't result in a scaling, nor does hunt mean outright fight.

Salem has also overestimated Tyrian's abilities on another occasion.

 

[RegisNex1232]

@Matt You do realize that it was already discussed in the OP? Nothing you said is new or supported by OP's evidence.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

The fact that she had to dodge his attack and chose to retreat shows that she considers him a threat.
Yes, she blocks an attack and counters, and is coutnered back. Their magic is depicted as comparable in this scene, unarguably.

You're ignoring the context of the fight, which was Cinder being told to make them go away, as opposed to outright killing them.

Yet that's the only hit that actually lands.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No, but these statements serve to underline that the characters consider each other threats / worthy opponents, or believe that they can defeat another guy.

Unless they fight through hax or indirect means that implies they'd face off in combat, and as far as I know everyone in RWBY either fights with combative magic or melee.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

No, but these statements serve to underline that the characters consider each other threats / worthy opponents, or believe that they can defeat another guy.
Unless they fight through hax or indirect means that implies they'd face off in combat, and as far as I know everyone in RWBY either fights with combative magic or melee.

Again, lack of context. There was no "stalemate", just them retreating to draw less attention. You're also ignoring Ruby being able to take a hit . I don't see how one should scale, and the other shouldin't

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No, that was very much depicted as a stalemate. "Oh, crap, this guy's arrived, I gotta dodge his attack / run away".

I don't get a sense that she's leaving for some tangential reason even though she could one-shot him if she wanted. I get the sense that she's leaving because she'd rather not fight him.

It seems you are trying to interprete the scene in a way which specifically prevents scaling.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Draw less attention from who? There was no one else around other than Qrow

The dozens of people living in the area.

Me, Damage, Gargoyle, Maverick, Ricsi, Desmond, Rebuble, Kalitas, Rusty, Jinx, Sigurd, Kuul, Dziga, Zen, Regis

Neutral:

DarkDragon, Ryu

In Opposition:

Weekly, Matt

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Matt's always had a good sense of judgement when it comes to power scaling. ^^

So I swayed you into the "Against" side?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Matt Here is the scene where Cinder states that even without the information Leo provided, Tyrian and Hazel would have found and killed all of the pro Huntsmen in the kingdom

 

[KuuIchigo]

So thats 14 that agree and 2 that disagree.

Cool. When can we downgrade them?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

=I don't get a sense that she's leaving for some tangential reason even though she could one-shot him if she wanted. I get the sense that she's leaving because she'd rather not fight him.

It seems you are trying to interprete the scene in a way which specifically prevents scaling.

Cinder doesn't even need to dodge attacks. She casually blocks/dissipates all of that Glynda throws at her. That was also the guy's reaction, not Cinder's.

And I'm not. As the OP went over, you're overblowing this encounter to the point where scaling would be applicable.

 

[RegisNex1232]

It seems you are trying to interprete the scene in a way which specifically prevents scaling.

The same could be said about you and Weekly, in that you're trying to interpret the scene to support the scaling.