Examining RWBY scaling for high tier characters

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah, a new Tier seems entire appropriate. The Maidens are on a different legue than the rest of the cast.

No, theyre not. Pro huntsmen have multiple feats that put them on half maien level

 

[Schnee_One]

If Qrow and the others are downgraded, then they all become 8-B via scaling to Vernal.

Why would they scale to Vernal?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

>One casual attack

Dude Cinder was actively trying to kill them it wasnt a casual attack at all

Nah. If I remember the scene right, she was just being told to get them away.

 

[Schnee_One]

Don't take this the wrong way, but I am glad you are open-minded about this at least.

Aww

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Yeah, a new Tier seems entire appropriate. The Maidens are on a different legue than the rest of the cast.

No, theyre not. Pro huntsmen have multiple feats that put them on half maien level

Oh? Feats? Link me some, I didn't know the huntsmen themselves have Tier 7 feats. And I'm not talking about scaling.

 

[Damage3245]

Regarding casual attacks; Cinder hit Ruby in the face with a fireball, just like how she hit Glynda with a fireball.

There is no reason at all other than personal opinion to say she was holding herself back massively with the former compared to the latter.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

inb4 Tier 7 huntsmen in training

 

[TheRustyOne]

Salem telling Tyrian to hunt for the Spring Maiden. (Salem is the most reliable character in the show, she's the main villain who has no reason to lie)

Qrow says that he and Leo can take on a Maiden along with Rave. (Note: Leo is lying in this scene because he's working with Salem and doesn't want Qrow to get Spring)

Watts is worried that Qrow won't go done easily. (Watts knows that Cinder is a Maiden and just saw Vernal make a storm, no reason he should be downplaying them or lying)

 

[Damage3245]

Hunting for her doesn't exactly mean "take her on in one-on-one combat and beat her". Her location was unknown at that point, so hunting her can simply mean finding her.

So... Watts is concerned because Qrow isn't going to fight quietly. Yeah, that's his main concern there.

Lastly... Qrow isn't talking exclusively about himself and Leo there. He's talking about himself, Leo, Ruby, Nora, Ren and Jaune. That's a different picture there.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Why would they scale to Vernal?

Raven trained Vernal and Qrow was able to fight Raven. (She wasn't using the Maiden's power during their fight, she was hiding her identity)

I find it hard to swallow that Raven without the Maiden's power is weaker than her student.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah no there is no reason they'd be weaker than Vernal

 

[TheRustyOne]

Don't take this the wrong way, but I am glad you are open-minded about this at least.

I hope I don't come off as rude, I'm just a very passionate person and something I act before thinking. If I ever offended you in anyway then please know that I'm sorry.

 

[Schnee_One]

Raven trained Vernal and Qrow was able to fight Raven. (She wasn't using the Maiden's power during their fight, she was hiding her identity)

I find it hard to swallow that Raven without the Maiden's power is weaker than her student.

Raven training Vernal doesn't mean anything for her tier it refers to her skill.

Ruby was trained by Qrow, she scales by that logic.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

1. Hunt doesn't imply fight. She could have easily been referring to locating them. She has also overestimated Tyrian before, example being that Ruby was able to greatly injure him on her own.

2. Qrow isn't saying he is as or near as powerful as them. Plus, being able to take something down in a large group is hardly enough for a direct scaling, especially when it comes from a statement from someone who has never fought/taken a hit from a Maiden.

3. Damage explained how that's wrong better than I could have.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Gargoyle No that just means Qrow is stronger than Ruby, which he is

 

[Schnee_One]

@Gargoyle No that just means Qrow is stronger than Ruby, which he is

Yes, and that Qrow doesn't scale to Vernal

 

[Damage3245]

I hope I don't come off as rude, I'm just a very passionate person and something I act before thinking. If I ever offended you in anyway then please know that I'm sorry.

No worries, you haven't offended me. I'm just glad we can have this discussion without it being shut down.

You know I'm just suggesting we make changes just because I personally think a lot of the justifications going around are just... flimsy.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Raven training Vernal doesn't mean anything for her tier it refers to her skill.

Ruby was trained by Qrow, she scales by that logic.

You have that backwards, I'm saying the teacher should scale to the student, not the other way around.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Qrow = Raven > Vernal

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

So, since we're discussing on scaling to Vernal, I assume we are in agreement on not scaling to Half-Maiden?

8-B pro hunters seems far more reasonable.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I still agree that they should scale to Half Maiden Cinder

 

[Schnee_One]

Qrow = Raven > Vernal

Qrow is not equal to a Maiden, but I'm outnumbered here.

 

[Damage3245]

8-B pro hunters sounds a lot more reasonable to me so far. It still puts them above all of the hunters/huntress in training.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He's equal to base Raven before she got her powers

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I still agree that they should scale to Half Maiden Cinder

You've seemed to run out of reasons to support it, though.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Qrow is not equal to a Maiden, but I'm outnumbered here.

We aren't talking about Maiden Raven, we're talking about normal Raven who fought Qrow during Volume 5.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

8-B hunter pros also matches up with how the most powerful student attacks (Penny's Beam) are 8-B.

Hunters should also scale to that, too, tbh.

 

[Damage3245]

Seems reasonable that Raven without Maiden powers would a few tiers below (Cinder managed to jump from at least High 8-C to High 7-C just by gaining half of them).

So Qrow and Raven being equal fighters but a couple tiers below actual Maidens is reasonable.

 

[Schnee_One]

That's a baseline 8B feat so it makes sense

I still think the storm should be calced, would be a good supporting feat at least

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

That's a baseline 8B feat so it makes sense
I still think the storm should be calced, would be a good supporting feat at least

Yeah, that seems great.

I'll try and message some other admins and try and get some more support for this.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Considering that this is (probably) gonna go through I think Glynda's storm feat should rly be calced.

 

[Damage3245]

I'm surprised it hadn't been calced before seeing how early in the series it was.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Just to be clear, this won't downgrade Ozpin since he fought Full Maiden Cinder correct?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Just to be clear, this won't downgrade Ozpin since he fought Full Maiden Cinder correct?

No, it won't

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Rusty Nope he still scales

 

[Damage3245]

Just to be clear, this won't downgrade Ozpin since he fought Full Maiden Cinder correct?

No, I can't think of a reason why Ozpin would be downgraded.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Yeah, of course not

Although I think Kid!Ozpin might need a downgrade.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I'm unsure right now, I think the statements we have can be used. But I also believe that Qrow and the others will be fighting Maidens one of these days so maybe it doesn't matter.

I'm positive that they'll fight Maiden's in the future so maybe that's why I'm calm about this. If they don't then that just means I was wrong.

I think 8-B via scaling to Vernal is fine.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Yeah, of course.
Although I think Kid!Ozpin might need a downgrade.

Oscar would be 8-B for taking on Hazel, who one shotted a 8-B Grimm.

 

[Damage3245]

Hey, if they fight Maiden's one on one and are seen as comparable on-screen, I'll be first in line to try and upgrade them.

But I do feel for now it would be safer to scale them to 8-B.