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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 57: 5 minutes namek meme is back and All shirts are off

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He probably will only be Low 2-C via his barrier.


Although 17 being able to resist Jiren for a while kind of contradicts GoD Toppo destroying his barrier easily.
 
17-low 2C(fought Jiren,God Toppo,Anilaza..)

Frieza-low 2C(tanked blows from Toppo,fought Anilaza)

Anilaza-low 2C(superior to 17,Goku..)

Like this blue Vegeta and Gohan gets upgrades and lot of others too

RIP powerscaling
 
Very positive only 17's barrier will become Low 2-C considering Anilaza never broke it.

Toppo was the first to crack and destroy 17's full power barrier.

No one scales to that.
 
Ssr4vegito said:
I think it's time to make a new thread this one is too long
It's getting to be a real pain to load, yeah. We're approaching 400 posts too. It'd be good timing since we're due for a new episode in a few hours.
 
Super Saiyan God Julian said:
Yeah, as long as only 17's barrier scales, then there won't be any powerscaling mess.

That's bad logic since that would mean that Gowasu's shield is Low 2C because it countered IZ's beam...
 
@KOMIE

17 is the only one at this point to be confirmed to be able to use the shield's power for his attacks.

And Gowasu's barrier did not last, like at all. If we used that to make Gowasu's barrier Low 2-C, then 17's would have already been Low 2-C for not getting immediately destroyed by GoD Toppo (even though it got completely destroyed)
 
Super Saiyan God Julian said:
@KOMIE
17 is the only one at this point to be confirmed to be able to use the shield's power for his attacks.

And Gowasu's barrier did not last, like at all. If we used that to make Gowasu's barrier Low 2-C, then 17's would have already been Low 2-C for not getting immediately destroyed by GoD Toppo (even though it got completely destroyed)
Gowasu shield deflected IZ's blast. What I am trying to say is that you can not scale the barrier like that. Either its oulier or others should scale.. The barrier is powered by 17's Ki after all.
 
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Super Saiyan God Julian said:
@KOMIE
17 is the only one at this point to be confirmed to be able to use the shield's power for his attacks.

And Gowasu's barrier did not last, like at all. If we used that to make Gowasu's barrier Low 2-C, then 17's would have already been Low 2-C for not getting immediately destroyed by GoD Toppo (even though it got completely destroyed)
Gowasu shield deflected IZ's blast. What I am trying to say is that you can not scale the barrier like that. Either its oulier or others should scale.. The barrier is powered by 17's Ki after all.
Maybe Gowasu's is an outlier and 17's isn't?
 
MeleeniumRXJ said:
╬Ü╬ƒ╬£╬Ö╬× said:
Super Saiyan God Julian said:
@KOMIE
17 is the only one at this point to be confirmed to be able to use the shield's power for his attacks.

And Gowasu's barrier did not last, like at all. If we used that to make Gowasu's barrier Low 2-C, then 17's would have already been Low 2-C for not getting immediately destroyed by GoD Toppo (even though it got completely destroyed)
Gowasu shield deflected IZ's blast. What I am trying to say is that you can not scale the barrier like that. Either its oulier or others should scale.. The barrier is powered by 17's Ki after all.
Maybe Gowasu's is an outlier and 17's isn't?

Both should be and many other things in the arc... But 17's blast hurting Jiren is... Bad..
 
Agree with Komi, i hate when the episodes contraddicts eachother, in the previous episode 17 barrier was easily destroyed by Toppo casual attacks, the latter stomped Golden Frieza and 17 was evading him from not being defeated, now his barrier can suddendly take attacks from Jiren, who is stronger than Toppo and make scratches to his body.
 
Dark649 said:
I hate when the episodes contraddicts eachother, in the previous episode 17 barrier was easily destroyed by Toppo casual attacks, the latter stomped Golden Frieza and 17 was evading him from not being defeated, now he can his barrier can suddendly take attacks from Jiren, who is stronger than Toppo and make scratches to his body.
Bad arc and different writers I guess. I am on the same boat with you...
 
personal, remember to dry in dragon ball the special techniques can be done in several ways. among them those based on ki control.

usually energy techniques such as kikohas (energy waves), kikodahs (giant energy spheres) and other common techniques, among users of ki, but also there are the techniques that use ki only as a source of energy, in other words magic

the techniques based on control of ki have the power defined by how much ennergy ki you can accumulate, and how much of this energy you can control, already the techniques that use it only as a source of energy, as an example the magic techniques they have some kind of hax , the gowasu's boiler, and based on magic, the 17-based energy control (ki)

in short, the barrier of 17 has to do with its control of ki, ja of gowasu is hax, and so it can resist the attacks of the Iz,

already the barrier of 17 and as powerful as its energy control, and it controls it better in the form of barriers instead of kikohas or similar. both barriers are 2C, but one is via magic hax, and another via ki control.

In fact, this fire of the 17 seems the power of the dc lanterns, because it seems that it can shape them in any way, the basic one as shields of any size, and he of monstoru can use them as walls as well, and finally he can create multiple barriers , both in the distance and in multiple layers

the one used against top was the strongest of a layer, the one used to protect goku and vegeta were the strongest of multiple layers, and lastly, I think they should add to the powers of 17 the energy barrier manipulation
 
Okay 17 was able to hurt Jiren because Jiren let his guard down like when Goku got shot with a Laser in RoF. Jiren comments that won't work twice and even when he was surprised by Frieza he was undamaged.

17's Barriers COULDN'T withstand Jiren's attacks. 17 blew himself up to destroy Jiren's attack so 17 might be Low 2-C via Self Destruct since he was able to block a Low 2-C attack with that.

(He basically used Vegeta's Final Explosion)

17's Barriers should still be Low 2-C since GoD Toppo couldn't break them instantly.

Jiren smash threw dozens of 17's barriers with his fist.
 
when 17 grows on you and he just did final explosion...******* foreshadowing lol RIP him. Though RoF shit when 17 damaged lol
 
╬Ü╬ƒ╬£╬Ö╬× said:
Both should be and many other things in the arc... But 17's blast hurting Jiren is... Bad..
Letting your guard down lowers your durability in Dragon Ball. People should know this by now.
 
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