DaMonkeMan
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Is this a vote for Jozu then?
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Deathly Decadence vs. Dazzling Defense: Queen the Plague and Diamond Jozu Face Off
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Its basically just contact based... you touch lava, You'll burn... similar thing
DaMonkeMan
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Does Queen even use the viruses like that
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kachon says so
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1. I like the Queen image in the OP.
2. Was honestly wondering when someone was gonna make this.
3. Hmmm, Jozu has the AP and durability advantages easily, but he and Zoan Queen are roughly equal in speed (if not Jozu slightly), so it'll depend whether Jozu can hit Queen before lazer spam.
But considering Jozu kept up with Aokiji, who scales to Akainu, who scales to Marco, who dodged Queen's lasers, I think Jozu could probably dodge them too.
Voting Jozu mid-high diff.
2. Was honestly wondering when someone was gonna make this.
3. Hmmm, Jozu has the AP and durability advantages easily, but he and Zoan Queen are roughly equal in speed (if not Jozu slightly), so it'll depend whether Jozu can hit Queen before lazer spam.
But considering Jozu kept up with Aokiji, who scales to Akainu, who scales to Marco, who dodged Queen's lasers, I think Jozu could probably dodge them too.
Voting Jozu mid-high diff.
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Queen didn't get the ****** chance lol
DaMonkeMan
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How many votes are there
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so it has nothing to do with wounds?
DaMonkeMan
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No, not really.
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Okay, back. Has some things to take care of.
Here are the wincons for each
Jozu:
AP
Durability
Haki
Queen:
Danmaku
Stamina
Endurance
Range
Versatility
Several types of Durability negation
Speed
Viruses
Invisibility
Heat
Here's my prediction on how this match would go:
In this battle, Queen starts 40 meters away from Jozu, giving him an advantage to attack with either his gattling gun or his lasers. If he chooses the former, Jozu can protect himself by covering his body in diamonds. However, the Kira Kira no Mi's weakness is that the body parts affected become immobile, leaving Jozu vulnerable.
In response, Queen would switch to using his lasers, forcing Jozu to either dodge or continue to rely on his diamond armor. Dodging would prove difficult as he would have to deal with danmaku attacks from seven different areas, while relying on his diamond armor would eventually lead to it melting, leaving him filled with holes.
If Jozu manages to close the distance, he would already be significantly weakened from Queen's attacks. At this point, Queen would likely turn invisible and use his Germa Abilities, which involve instantaneous poison that can pass through the body, electricity, or lasers.
Even if Jozu manages to withstand the poison, Queen still has access to Brachiosnakus, which could crush and kill Jozu instantly, as the pressure is greater than what his organs can handle.
I don't think Jozu has a real wincon here given Queen's abilities, the starting distance, and the nature of his devil fruit and fighting style.
Here are the wincons for each
Jozu:
AP
Durability
Haki
Queen:
Danmaku
Stamina
Endurance
Range
Versatility
Several types of Durability negation
Speed
Viruses
Invisibility
Heat
Here's my prediction on how this match would go:
In this battle, Queen starts 40 meters away from Jozu, giving him an advantage to attack with either his gattling gun or his lasers. If he chooses the former, Jozu can protect himself by covering his body in diamonds. However, the Kira Kira no Mi's weakness is that the body parts affected become immobile, leaving Jozu vulnerable.
In response, Queen would switch to using his lasers, forcing Jozu to either dodge or continue to rely on his diamond armor. Dodging would prove difficult as he would have to deal with danmaku attacks from seven different areas, while relying on his diamond armor would eventually lead to it melting, leaving him filled with holes.
If Jozu manages to close the distance, he would already be significantly weakened from Queen's attacks. At this point, Queen would likely turn invisible and use his Germa Abilities, which involve instantaneous poison that can pass through the body, electricity, or lasers.
Even if Jozu manages to withstand the poison, Queen still has access to Brachiosnakus, which could crush and kill Jozu instantly, as the pressure is greater than what his organs can handle.
I don't think Jozu has a real wincon here given Queen's abilities, the starting distance, and the nature of his devil fruit and fighting style.
DaMonkeMan
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Some of that is incorrect but I'll address it soon.
Just gonna say I don't think Queen copied Reiju's powers, and if he hits Jozu with a laser it'll be reflected.
However, Queen still has the viruses and uh... I don't know his other wincons but viruses are a good one.
Just gonna say I don't think Queen copied Reiju's powers, and if he hits Jozu with a laser it'll be reflected.
However, Queen still has the viruses and uh... I don't know his other wincons but viruses are a good one.
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He has access to all Germa Abilities.
Addressed this earlier in the thread, thank you very much. I'd rather not repeat arguments more than three times.
DaMonkeMan
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Really? Didn't know that.
Nothing you said debunked our points so I'm pretty sure the lasers are a non-factor, sorry.
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Yes he is.
Jozu ~ Aokiji < Kizaru ~ Marco ~ Queen Perception ~ Base Exo Sanji < Henry Queen
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Read this. @TheMonkeMan
The Absorption Coefficient of Diamond is not high enough to not be effected by the heat of Queen's lasers.
DaMonkeMan
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I'm not reading that, again One Piece doesn't run on real world logic, and we've seen people like Kizaru use reflective surfaces to reflect his lasers for attacks.
So.. Like I said. The lasers ain't a factor.
Now if he actually has poison, combined with the viruses, then that's a good wincon, if he can land em.
So.. Like I said. The lasers ain't a factor.
Now if he actually has poison, combined with the viruses, then that's a good wincon, if he can land em.
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When?
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This is such an idiotic argument.
We use "real world logic" (which is just physics btw) all the time in this verse. With heat, speed, etc. It's not different here.
DaMonkeMan
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When he sniped Apoo on Sabaody.
He aimed his laser at a building and it bounced off until it hit Apoo.
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Yata Mirror ≠ Lasers.
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Also, it should also be noted that Queen has other lasers in the form of Sparking Queen (Sparking Valkyrie):
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_898_09.jpg
We see here that these are through and through durability negations, as they're completely going through the bodies of Oven and the other Charlotte siblings without leaving external wounds.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_898_09.jpg
We see here that these are through and through durability negations, as they're completely going through the bodies of Oven and the other Charlotte siblings without leaving external wounds.
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Nice strawman.
DaMonkeMan
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Omfg man.
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and he showed certain ones not all
DaMonkeMan
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I agree with Sus, Queen doesn't show that he has EVERY ability, he only shows 2-3
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He doesn't need to, as he states that he does.
DaMonkeMan
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I don't care if he says that he has their abilities, he never used Reiju's poison thus he doesn't have it.
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So Zoro didn't have Hao until chapter 1032, despite Kaidou stated that he had it back in chapter 1010?
This is never how we did things, and we're not changing it for the sake of your argument. It's on Queen's page, so if you want to make a CRT, go ahead.
DaMonkeMan
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Kaidou literally has Observation and could sense Zoro unleashing Hao while using Asura.
This doesn't compare to Queen claiming to have Germa's powers yet never using Reiju's.
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Make a CRT.
DaMonkeMan
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It's not a big enough wincon that I'm gonna bother making a CRT for it.
