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The Dark King faces off against the Oni Princess

Admirals basically have confirmed Awakenings (Punk Hazard and Aramaki's entrance at Wano).
Kizaru didn't use his Awakening or any of his strongest attacks on Rayleigh.
Chances are he will against Luffy.
That's the difference.
So to compare these fights is like saying the Scabbards should scale to G5 Luffy because both fought Kaidou, even though Kaidou was ridiculously casual against the Scabbards and still ****** them up to the brink of death.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Admirals basically have confirmed Awakenings (Punk Hazard and Aramaki's entrance at Wano).
Kizaru didn't use his Awakening or any of his strongest attacks on Rayleigh.
Chances are he will against Luffy.
That's the difference.
So to compare these fights is like saying the Scabbards should scale to G5 Luffy because both fought Kaidou, even though Kaidou was ridiculously casual against the Scabbards and still ***** them up to the brink of death.
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Ok, but why did he not use it against Sickbeard? Also, they absolutely haven't confirmed anything, you just have the theory that Logia Awakenings are just permanent effects.
 
Kuzan literally lost a leg and is believed to have received a boost. Also, there's zero reason to believe that Kizaru has got a upgrade so far, he basically only fights wimps.
 
I just don't see how Yamato is surviving more than 2 internal destroying attacks. She's not built like that.
 
KingTempest said:
Never stated or proven or hinted to, ever

It can be that, or they were just that strong to begin with and there was other context
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I would argue that their Haki bloomed and got stronger based of Ray's statement about Haki blooming in Extreme Diff Fights
 
SlendVeny said:
Ok, but why did he not use it against Sickbeard? Also, they absolutely haven't confirmed anything, you just have the theory that Logia Awakenings are just permanent effects.
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Because that would have destroyed Marineford which they specifically had to avoid doing.
Anyway if Kizaru doesn't show awakening against Luffy I'll change my pfp to what ever you want so long as it's not completely rule breaking for a month, I'm that sure of it.
But to get back on topic
Kachon123 said:
I just don't see how Yamato is surviving more than 2 internal destroying attacks. She's not built like that.
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I mean she took a shit ton of hits from Kaidou's spiked club unprotected (which all had Advanced Haki in them as well).
Plus, again, if Rayleigh gets close she can beat his skull like a bongo until it's a pile of dust.
 
But doesn't Jinbe's statement about the Navy growing far more powerful under Akainu imply that all the Marines are now stronger than they were pre-timeskip, which would include Kizaru?
 
Could be referencing Issho and Aramaki joining and the new VAs that we see at Egghead.
 
Speedwise

Base Yamato<Hybrid Yamato<Hybrid Kaidou>Base Kaidou~Base Big Mom~Marco~Kizaru
Kizaru~Marco~Rayleigh
So Yamato isn't much faster than Ray, and given Ray's haki he's definitely getting those internal destructions hits in.
 
That_moron said:
Speedwise

Base Yamato<Hybrid Yamato<Hybrid Kaidou>Base Kaidou~Base Big Mom~Marco~Kizaru
Kizaru~Marco~Rayleigh
So Yamato isn't much faster than Ray, and given Ray's haki he's definitely getting those internal destructions hits in.
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Why is hybrid yamato < hybrid kaido?

It should be Hybrid yamato ~ Hybrid Kaido > Base yamato ~ Base kaido ~ Base bm ~ Marco ~ Kizaru

This is without including TB which is a massive speed amp
 
ZKillerz said:
So lets take one instance, ignore the context of yamato being tired and say that kaido is faster than yamato even though we literally see them going toe to toe for multiple clashes
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Them being tired does not nerf reaction speed. Also worth noting that if they could actually keep up with Kaidou then they wouldn't be tired.
Also what clashes? They best they do is block when he's a few meters away from them. That only warrants a downscale.
TheMonkeMan said:
By this logic almost nobody scales to him because he hit them at least once
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Uh no. When characters get hit, they often have a reaction just before it happens.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_Shuron_1037_005.png
This page for instance.
The art of the panel I posted clearly shows Yamato failing to react at all.
 
That_moron said:
Them being tired does not nerf reaction speed. Also worth noting that if they could actually keep up with Kaidou then they wouldn't be tired.
Also what clashes? They best they do is block when he's a few meters away from them. That only warrants a downscale.
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It absolutely does, I dont know who told you otherwise. Watch how boxers fight in round 11 compared to round 1.

She can keep up with kaido but that doesn't mean kaido wasn't schooling her, he overpowered her on several occasions and her stamina just isn't built like that.

She has quite a few clashes with kaido

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