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Current Kuzan got stronger after fighting Akainu for 10 days and bloomed. Kizaru didn't
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The Dark King faces off against the Oni Princess
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Yeah, he just had 2 years offscreen.
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Why do yall assume people got stronger randomly
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Are you under the impression Kizaru will be the same level, and get clapped by Luffy?
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Same level and be stronger than you think
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Luffy < Sickbeard confirmed?
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Admirals basically have confirmed Awakenings (Punk Hazard and Aramaki's entrance at Wano).
Kizaru didn't use his Awakening or any of his strongest attacks on Rayleigh.
Chances are he will against Luffy.
That's the difference.
So to compare these fights is like saying the Scabbards should scale to G5 Luffy because both fought Kaidou, even though Kaidou was ridiculously casual against the Scabbards and still ****** them up to the brink of death.
Kizaru didn't use his Awakening or any of his strongest attacks on Rayleigh.
Chances are he will against Luffy.
That's the difference.
So to compare these fights is like saying the Scabbards should scale to G5 Luffy because both fought Kaidou, even though Kaidou was ridiculously casual against the Scabbards and still ****** them up to the brink of death.
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Didnt Kuzan and Akainu get stronger than their MF Selfs tho?
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Idk when people get better feats than they showcased before I tend to assume they've gotten stronger somehow.
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There hasn't been a noticeable difference, also they had an extreme diff fight to the death so its not the same.
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Never stated or proven or hinted to, ever
It can be that, or they were just that strong to begin with and there was other context
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Ok, but why did he not use it against Sickbeard? Also, they absolutely haven't confirmed anything, you just have the theory that Logia Awakenings are just permanent effects.
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I must've missed this
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Yes, but Rayleigh has never used those attacks in character.
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I would argue that their Haki bloomed and got stronger based of Ray's statement about Haki blooming in Extreme Diff Fights
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Because that would have destroyed Marineford which they specifically had to avoid doing.
Anyway if Kizaru doesn't show awakening against Luffy I'll change my pfp to what ever you want so long as it's not completely rule breaking for a month, I'm that sure of it.
But to get back on topic
I mean she took a shit ton of hits from Kaidou's spiked club unprotected (which all had Advanced Haki in them as well).
Plus, again, if Rayleigh gets close she can beat his skull like a bongo until it's a pile of dust.
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But doesn't Jinbe's statement about the Navy growing far more powerful under Akainu imply that all the Marines are now stronger than they were pre-timeskip, which would include Kizaru?
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Could be referencing Issho and Aramaki joining and the new VAs that we see at Egghead.
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Also leaning towards Yamato
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Speedwise
Base Yamato<Hybrid Yamato<Hybrid Kaidou>Base Kaidou~Base Big Mom~Marco~Kizaru
Kizaru~Marco~Rayleigh
So Yamato isn't much faster than Ray, and given Ray's haki he's definitely getting those internal destructions hits in.
Base Yamato<Hybrid Yamato<Hybrid Kaidou>Base Kaidou~Base Big Mom~Marco~Kizaru
Kizaru~Marco~Rayleigh
So Yamato isn't much faster than Ray, and given Ray's haki he's definitely getting those internal destructions hits in.
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Why is hybrid yamato < hybrid kaido?
It should be Hybrid yamato ~ Hybrid Kaido > Base yamato ~ Base kaido ~ Base bm ~ Marco ~ Kizaru
This is without including TB which is a massive speed amp
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He hit her. So what?
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They didn't even react?
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So lets take one instance, ignore the context of yamato being tired and say that kaido is faster than yamato even though we literally see them going toe to toe for multiple clashes
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By this logic almost nobody scales to him because he hit them at least once
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I never said he wouldn't, but if you wanna go with the offer, than yeah.
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Guh??
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Rayleigh FRA
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Btw its 5-4 for Rayleigh rn. Damn
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Voting Yamato FRA
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Ye i counted it already
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Them being tired does not nerf reaction speed. Also worth noting that if they could actually keep up with Kaidou then they wouldn't be tired.
Also what clashes? They best they do is block when he's a few meters away from them. That only warrants a downscale.
Uh no. When characters get hit, they often have a reaction just before it happens.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_Shuron_1037_005.png
This page for instance.
The art of the panel I posted clearly shows Yamato failing to react at all.
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It absolutely does, I dont know who told you otherwise. Watch how boxers fight in round 11 compared to round 1.
She can keep up with kaido but that doesn't mean kaido wasn't schooling her, he overpowered her on several occasions and her stamina just isn't built like that.
She has quite a few clashes with kaido
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This dialogue actually makes the Greenbull fight way more significant.
