Frost vs Flame: Aokiji vs King

[ZKillerz]

Starting Distance: 40 meters
Location: Onigashima rooftop

Inferno: TheMonkeMan, Eseseso, ZKillerz, Nierre, Kachon123, SlendVeny
Blizzard: Darkvie123

 

[DaMonkeMan]

King FRB

 

[ZKillerz]

King FRB

what does FRB mean?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

For Reasons Below.

 

[Eseseso]

Aokiji's advantages:

• AP
• Possible dura neg via frost

King's advantages:

• AP stat amps to even the AP gap, if not surpass Aokiji's AP. Even without amps, he matched Marco and Buso Zoro, so the gap isn't that big.
• Speed amps go brr
• Lunarian durability goes brrr. Enma Unleashed couldn't hurt this dude, Aokiji's AP isn't doing much better.
• Fire counters frost dura neg
• Arguably better ranged attacks (the anime version of Karyudon is canon and you can't convince me otherwise)
• One-shot moves (Jackpot, Pride Stake, Omori Karyudon)

Voting King high-extreme diff.

 

[ZKillerz]

Aokiji's advantages:

• AP
• Possible dura neg via frost

King's advantages:

• AP stat amps to even the AP gap, if not surpass Aokiji's AP. Even without amps, he matched Marco, so the gap isn't that big.
• Speed amps go brr
• Lunarian durability goes brrr. Enma Unleashed couldn't hurt this dude, Aokiji's AP isn't doing much better.
• Fire counters frost dura neg
• Arguably better ranged attacks
• One-shot moves (Jackpot, Pride Stake, Omori Karyudon

Voting King high-extreme diff.

How do you think their haki compares to each other?

 

[Eseseso]

How do you think their haki compares to each other?

Not sure how good Aokiji's Buso is, but King's scales to 1035 Zoro, as while Zoro was overpowering him their haki clashed evenly.

 

[ZKillerz]

Not sure how good Aokiji's Buso is, but King's scales to 1035 Zoro, as while Zoro was overpowering him their haki clashed evenly.

Is this what happened? I remember zoro using haki in their clash but I dont think king did the same.

 

[Eseseso]

Is this what happened? I remember zoro using haki in their clash but I dont think king did the same.

In chapter 1032 he easily overpowered Zoro even when Zoro had Buso, but in this panel in chapter 1035, his Buso matches Zoro's buso but Zoro has better AP.

 

[ZKillerz]

In chapter 1032 he easily overpowered Zoro even when Zoro had Buso, but in this panel in chapter 1035, his Buso matches Zoro's buso but Zoro has better AP.

Ok I see what you mean, can you explain how zoro has better ap if king is capable of matching him?

 

[Eseseso]

Ok I see what you mean, can you explain how zoro has better ap if king is capable of matching him?

You can have superior AP but equal buso haki to someone.

Zoro was pushing him back, but their buso swords were clashing evenly.

 

[ZKillerz]

You can have superior AP but equal buso haki to someone.

In what sense does zoro have superior ap If he's equal in buso?

 

[ZKillerz]

Voting king FRA

 

[Kachon123]

Voting King. Aokiji has no viable wi cons outside of outlasting via stamina. Other than that, all of his other stats are inferior to King.

 

[Eseseso]

Voting King. Aokiji has no viable wi cons outside of outlasting via stamina.

Eh, King should scale to Jack, so the stamina gap isn't massive.

Other than that, all of his other stats are inferior to King.

I mean, he may have superior AP, but King even in base with a sword but no Haki isn't far behind, and he has plenty of amps.

 

[Nierre]

King is just really cracked lol

Honestly King and Queen both. Definitely a step up from Big Mom's crew. Even Kaido is ******* cracked. Not to diss Big Mom of course lol

 

[Kachon123]

Crazy to think Kaidou's COMMANDERS can contend with Admirals.

 

[Eseseso]

King is just really cracked lol

Honestly King and Queen both. Definitely a step up from Big Mom's crew. Even Kaido is ******* cracked. Not to diss Big Mom of course lol

Do you vote Kaido FRA?

And I 100% agree with you on the jobbers that are the Sweet Commanders.

Crazy to think Kaidou's COMMANDERS can contend with Admirals.

FR.

King himself flat-out exceeds Kaido in durability.

And he defeated Marco, who clashed with the Admirals and Big Meme.

Hell, King saw Big Mom coming up the waterfall and was like "eh, I got this".

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Crazy to think Kaidou's COMMANDERS can contend with Admirals.

Only King, ngl.

 

[Darkvie123]

Kuzan wins via outlasting in stamina

 

[Eseseso]

Kuzan wins via outlasting in stamina

Even with all of King's advantages?

 

[Darkvie123]

Even with all of King's advantages?

I think Kuzan can endure everything from KING since he was able to fight Akainu for 10 days non stop. Also i think Kuzan has better battle iq and would find out King's weakness too. I think King can beat new admirals but not the 2 Admirals who fought for the FA position. And Kuzan might be able to find a chance to freeze King to his bones if he catched him. So ye i think Kuzan takes the dub

 

[Darkvie123]

Kuzan Wincons imo:
Ice Manipulation
Environmental Advantage
Haki Mastery
Stamina
AP
Combat Experience

 

[Eseseso]

Bump.

Also:

King is just really cracked lol

Honestly King and Queen both. Definitely a step up from Big Mom's crew. Even Kaido is ******* cracked. Not to diss Big Mom of course lol

Do you vote King FRA?

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

 

[Nierre]

Oh sorry King Fra

 

[SlendVeny]

King FRA, but I'm hoping this changes later in the story.

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

 

[Khanhba01]

Vote King because he outperforms Aokiji in AP and speed as well as his flames are as hot as lava as well as counter Aokiji's ice manip

 

[Eseseso]

Vote King because he outperforms Aokiji in AP and speed as well as his flames are as hot as lava as well as counter Aokiji's ice manip

AP is about equal (although King does have multiple one-shot options like Jackpot, Pride Stake, and Omori Karyudon), but the rest sounds about right.

Also Grace.

 

[Khanhba01]

AP is about equal (although King does have multiple one-shot options like Jackpot, Pride Stake, and Omori Karyudon), but the rest sounds about right.

Also Grace.

The AP of both are currently at continent level instead of multi continent right? because I heard OP was downgraded from High 6A to 6A? I'm a bit confused

 

[Eseseso]

The AP of both are currently at continent level instead of multi continent right? because I heard OP was downgraded from High 6A to 6A? I'm a bit confused

Both will be 6-A after the revisions, that's true.

But the top tier scaling itself within OP for those within the same tier can get a bit...complicated.

That said, King matched Marco, who threw hands with the admirals and Big Meme, so his AP should be equal to Aokiji's.

 

[Khanhba01]

Both will be 6-A after the revisions, that's true.

But the top tier scaling itself within OP for those within the same tier can get a bit...complicated.

That said, King matched Marco, who threw hands with the admirals and Big Meme, so his AP should be equal to Aokiji's.

I think Luffy and Kaido will be the only 2 people who still keep High 6-A rating thanks to 2 attacks are Barjang Gun and Shoryu: Kaen Hakke

 

[Eseseso]

I think Luffy and Kaido will be the only 2 people who still keep High 6-A rating thanks to 2 attacks are Barjang Gun and Shoryu: Kaen Hakke

Kaen Hakke doesn't scale to the Bajrang Gun calc IIRC.