Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[JoshDoshMosh]

I mean it the Legacy MU a MU that's been due since S2
One folks been clamoring for years
One they confirmed that season to be in the works

Oh okay, sorry I didn’t see that

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Welp. Now it's on YouTube.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Does the size really matter? IIRC it's been stated quite a few times in the comics that the universe's size is infinite

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Wow.

Anytime someone says goku wins in this thread just pull up this image.

 

[TMaakkonen]

I mean tbf, Toriyama clearly wanted SSG to remain as Saiyan Beyond God, but Toei/Toyo wanted SSG back, so now despite absorbing SSG (remember how calm Beerus 2-shot SS3 while angry Beerus didn't 2-shot base Goku at the cave?) so we now have base Goku as universal while also still getting SS multipliers, even SSG.

Multipliers like SS1 50x also probably weren't intended for god levels lol

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

I think most DB fans know their place especially against DC

Anytime someone says goku wins in this thread just pull up this image.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Also IDK if this has been discussed before but would Goku Black be multiversal because of these multipliers or do they treat that as a separate tier? Because honestly I'd just say RF is Multiversal while Black is Universal and leave it at that

 

[Thelastmlg]

They seem to treat multiverse level as universe * X i think? I mean they brought up zoom being multiversal but used the dc universe volume for the final blow

 

[The_Smashor]

Saw Black vs Thawne. The fact that they mentioned Infinite Zamasu but didn't even use him genuinely pisses me off.

Episode was good but by their own logic Thawne removing the time ring wouldn't mean shit since Black would still have it in other time periods, meaning Thawne couldn't really kill Black without destroying time anyways, so why not use Infinite Zamasu?

 

[Thebrawlbro]

I’m looking forward to Randy Savage vs Kool aid man because nobody has any clue what either really has.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Pretty sure infinite zamasu was only for fusion zamasu because of his immortality or something, i think they mentioned it just for tiering

I think the time ring effects leaves if it is destroyed? Not sure

 

[The_Smashor]

I know, but the fact that they mentioned it and Fused Zamasu and didn't use them at all hurts.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I’m looking forward to Randy Savage vs Kool aid man because nobody has any clue what either really has.

Episode looks like it’ll be a lot of fun

 

[TMaakkonen]

Yeah, DB might bring up a lot of new stuff for Randy and KAD because those aren't really researched with VS stuff in mind.

 

[Thelastmlg]

I know, but the fact that they mentioned it and Fused Zamasu and didn't use them at all hurts.

Probably because fusion zamasu, despite being just goku black really, was technically less relatable due to not looking like goku anymore i guess

 

[Tyranno223]

Also IDK if this has been discussed before but would Goku Black be multiversal because of these multipliers or do they treat that as a separate tier? Because honestly I'd just say RF is Multiversal while Black is Universal and leave it at that

Depends on the standards. By death battle standards, Black is multiversal, and Reverse at max is multiversal+ to outerversal.

By this wiki, Black is universal, since he hasn't breached the 4d barrier, and Reverse is Multiversal + I think

 

[TMaakkonen]

I know, but the fact that they mentioned it and Fused Zamasu and didn't use them at all hurts.

You know damn well Infinite Zamasu would have lost lol

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

and Reverse is Multiversal + I think

Planetary lol

Professor Zoom (Post-Crisis)

Eobard Thawne, commonly known as Reverse-Flash, is one of the main antagonists of the Flash in DC Comics. He was born in the 25th Century and grew up idolizing the Flash and studying the legacy of the Scarlet Speedster. However, as he learned more about the Flash, Eobard discovered how his own...

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[NotoriouSoda]

Also the blog said they wanted this to be more black and not zamasu or fused

 

[The_Smashor]

You know damn well Infinite Zamasu would have lost lol

Yeah, they even said he would.

 

[Tyranno223]

Planetary lol

Professor Zoom (Post-Crisis)

Eobard Thawne, commonly known as Reverse-Flash, is one of the main antagonists of the Flash in DC Comics. He was born in the 25th Century and grew up idolizing the Flash and studying the legacy of the Scarlet Speedster. However, as he learned more about the Flash, Eobard discovered how his own...

vsbattles.fandom.com

... what the-

 

[Thelastmlg]

The way he rubbed black's skin tissue off on the earth surface was brutal, holy shit, it just shows how goresome a muderous flash can be.

Also really loved them killing their past and future selves with no consequences.

Zoom travelling to flash vs quicksilver for a joke was great lol

Speaking of the ring, i think their logic was that if a past black had the ring destroyed, he would go back into being a normal black in the timeline, and future blacks would lose the ring as well until he got it back, so if you kill black and/or destroy the ring during this moment, he would lose his "acausality type 3"

 

[TMaakkonen]

DC weirdness and lolconsistency makes me still doubt DC peaks to be ok for all scenarios but frankly even crazy lowballed RF beats Goku Black. All he needs is speed and 1 insta-kill method and boom RF wins.

What they did now was smacking everything else to not challenge DC. Learn your place other verses.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

 

[DaReaperMan]

Planetary lol

Professor Zoom (Post-Crisis)

Eobard Thawne, commonly known as Reverse-Flash, is one of the main antagonists of the Flash in DC Comics. He was born in the 25th Century and grew up idolizing the Flash and studying the legacy of the Scarlet Speedster. However, as he learned more about the Flash, Eobard discovered how his own...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[TMaakkonen]

I mean even if I were to lowball, surely Infinite Mass Punch levels would be more appropriate than 5-A.

Didn't DB calc Steven Universe higher than that pfffft

 

[The_Smashor]

I mean even if I were to lowball, surely Infinite Mass Punch levels would be more appropriate than 5-A.

Didn't DB calc Steven Universe higher than that pfffft

Once again, Thawne's profile is unfinished and what we have now is a placeholder until people can figure out what the ****'s going on with him.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Once again, Dwane "The Rock" Johnson's profile is unfinished and what we have now is a placeholder until people can figure out what the ****'s going on with him.

Fixed

 

[Dust_Collector]

"Yeah Blacks attacks could reach speeds quintillions of times faster than light, but Thawne is a Flash"

Best line in the episode tbh.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Once again, Thawne's profile is unfinished and what we have now is a placeholder until people can figure out what the ****'s going on with him.

...But surely Infinite Mass Punch scaling would have been fine?

 

[Tipper17]

Saw Black vs Thawne. The fact that they mentioned Infinite Zamasu but didn't even use him genuinely pisses me off.

Episode was good but by their own logic Thawne removing the time ring wouldn't mean shit since Black would still have it in other time periods, meaning Thawne couldn't really kill Black without destroying time anyways, so why not use Infinite Zamasu?

Too much time and frankly unneeded

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Infinite Zamasu kinda would’ve made for a boring finisher right? Zamasu becomes the universe, Thawne makes the universe go kaboom, fin.

 

[Jasonsith]

I got a question, it might have been answered, but why are we expecting Galacron?

I mean it the Legacy MU a MU that's been due since S2
One folks been clamoring for years
One they confirmed that season to be in the works

This.
But on the other hand, they may want that be aired at around a time a MCU or Transformers movie is out. Or both.
You know, how many views are drawn by Thanos vs Darkseid, Aquaman vs Namor and Captain Marvel vs Shazam just because the timings were exactly right.

Then they miss the timing for Lightning vs Shulk, Mysterio vs Scarecrow, and aired Black Widow vs Widowmaker too early, ...

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How sure are we that Randy Savage scales from that Undertaker that comes from Chaos! Comics and with three Books of the Dead? Only that gives Randy Savage universe tier.

Also, Kool-Aid Man actually has a BUNCH of hax. Stronger ones include: teleport, Model 58, reality includes time, ... even the must-have time huh. Resistance against mind manipulation and empathic manipulation too.

 

[The_Smashor]

Also, can we talk about how Thawne being forgiven is the most bullshit ******* thing to ever come out of comics?

His actions weren't even erased, since Barry's mom still died! Like, if Thawne really wanted to just spend time with Barry, he could have tried being an anti hero, or someone who just challenges him to fights on occasion, or otherwise just decided to be a rival of some kind. The fact that they tried to play him off as sympathetic is totally contradictory to what he's always been. The Museum plaque didn't say he was a murderous bastard, Thawne actively chose to do that.

I can respect the effort to make him deeper than a puddle on a sidewalk, but the damage was already done.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I mean even if I were to lowball, surely Infinite Mass Punch levels would be more appropriate than 5-A.

Didn't DB calc Steven Universe higher than that pfffft

VBW Thawne gets murked by Sonic the Hedgehog lol

 

[Joycap]

Going to do something I haven't done before on this site: guess a character I have no knowledge of (or haven't seen the source they come from), and guess what their best MU would be. Feel free to give me suggestions.

Guess 1: Toffee (Star vs the Forces of Evil)

Judging by the cover: Lizard thing in a business suit.

Basic descriptions:
"Toffee was the primary antagonist of the last arc of Season 1 of Star vs the Forces of Evil and major character within the series. Toffee is very calm, cool and collected and gives off the motif of a corrupt businessman rather than a proper villain. None the less, Toffee is sadistic and cruel, who has no qualms with killing and torturing innocents to get information or to lure his targets."

So... a universe-busting businessman, who plays 4-D chess with his opponent(s), and a modest demeanour... oh yeah. I know who you're going up against...

Chosen Opponent: Wilhelm (Xenosaga)

Connections:

• Modestly mannered or attired businessmen or CEO's of conglomerate empires.
• Both plot around the destruction of their respective universes, or possibly higher.
• Both are apparently seldom seen after their main arcs, or are considered straight up dead (both after central collapses of the functions of their universes)
• Both manipulate a sort of rouges gallery of ads (Wilhelm steps in when it comes to the Testaments, and also fills in for the late dead Sergius after his defeat in II. Toffee apparently has Ludo?)
• Both have prophetic philosophies in how to reach their goals (Wilhelm wished to uphold the cycle of the Eternal Recurrence. Toffee had a bone to pick with Magic).

Gonna be bold here: no better MUs, or your money back.

As usual, give me suggestions for who I could go after.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Most bullshit to come from comics is Batman being able to hit Thawne lol

That or Venom physically travels across internet.

 

[Tyranno223]

DC weirdness and lolconsistency makes me still doubt DC peaks to be ok for all scenarios but frankly even crazy lowballed RF beats Goku Black. All he needs is speed and 1 insta-kill method and boom RF wins.

What they did now was smacking everything else to not challenge DC. Learn your place other verses.

Lets have death battle throw Yog Sothoth at the Presence.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Let's have Azathoth in a DB lol

 

[The_Smashor]

Let's have Azathoth in a DB lol

Let's make him fight Thawne and give the bastard the death he deserves.