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Hmmm.....Doesn't 17 get some buffs in the Super Manga?
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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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So out of curiosity, what is your guy's favorite Flash fight out of the three we've gotten so far?
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Looking over Cyborg’s powerset it seems like he hard counters 17 if they scale him to Herald lvl
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Reverse Flash vs Goku Black
Archie Sonic vs Wally was good but could've Had more done
Quicksilver vs Barry was largely forgettable
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Yep 17 ******
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Definitely ThawneBlack. Barry's was fine but Quicksilver doesn't add anything to Flash's absurd power set and as for Wally? For how OP and insane Archie and Wally can get, they would've been more visually creative in the choreography but it felt average
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You forgot Hit in the W's section. Swan likes the idea of him vs Sakuya, so it'll probably happen.
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Cyborg thinks and 17.exe stops working. Also pretty sure Cyborg just has regen that 17 can't bypass.
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Yeah Cyborg’s infrared and x-ray scanners will instantly let him find out that 17’s a cyborg and after that all all he has to do is use his Techopathy. This MU like throwing a man made of water against a Waterbender
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Not saying I agree or anything but I’m just saying using that is the only hope Mark has against Gohan.
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Lmaoooo. BOOYAH!!!
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Shazam and Cyborg? They were pretending to bleed?
Also literally the first thing I linked mate.
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He's also very likely more intelligent and experienced then 17 so I'd imagine it wouldn't take him long to connect the dots on 17 being a cyborg and just ends it on the spot
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17’s kinda haxless so this would just be another DC freebie. Does Cyborg have anyone else?
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Cyborg vs Meta-Nanite Rex could be fun. It might take Cyborg a few seconds to actually hack him.
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Nobody worth a damn
IronMan was used already
War Machine as well
Genos was used
He stomps Franky
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also even if we assume that Thawne wouldn't know Goku Black relies on the time ring, do Flash family characters have acausality bypassing abilities or not? Just in case naysayers say otherwise
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It was mentioned in the blog
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Yes, apparently Thawne could change Post-Flashpoint Barry’s memories despite stuff like Wally being unaffected by Anti-Monitor winning (and thus absorbing the entire space-time in his antimatter universe) in the Zero Hour version of COIE. For a more straightforward feat, Thawne literally paradoxed a living paradox (that was gonna destroy all of time) who previously paradoxed himself and Barry multiple times and Barry was also still standing after he got paradoxed.
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Ah I didn't know that, though that may be due to me not reading the blog
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okay so wait wait. Thawne paradoxed an already living paradox who paradoxed Barry and Thawne numerous times? ******* hell I know the Speed Force/Negative Speed Force are bullshit powerful but Jesus that defies all semblance of logic inside my head
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Yes, although not sure if he ever specifically targeted Thawne (when I said himself, I meant that the paradox literally paradoxes his past self to gain energy from it), also fun fact, Barry then learned to paradox that potently and successfully paradoxed Thawne, who’s also essentially a living paradox
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Also I remember someone here mentioning Fleetway Sonic vs Dark Mega Man.EXE, where does the later scale to in the Battle Network series?
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In a scaling chain you could probably get something like Mxy’s EE (Mxyzptlk also attempted to erase Superman from all of reality and memory) < Superman’s resistance < Cobalt Blue’s paradox (which let AM win) and Flashpoint < PC Wally’s acausality (=) and future Barry’s acausality < casual Paradox < present Barry’s acausality <<<< Paradox destroying all of time which includes the Presence from his PoV < Thawne’s paradox = Barry’s paradox
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Maybe I'm just an optimist, but I'd rather say "nobody worth a damn YET". You never know what OP character can pop into existance...
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Sheesh, no wonder why some dislike comic scaling. The amount of scaling that can be applied to these characters is headache inducing
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i'm not sure if this was already mentioned, but unless this got retconned, 17 and 18 were actually revealed to not be cyborgs at all when bulma analyzed their blueprints in the original manga
She says they are "humans modified with organic substances". and even specificaly mentions that this is the reason cell can absorb them in exactly the same way he does with regular humans.
they're basically captain america style super soldiers.
She says they are "humans modified with organic substances". and even specificaly mentions that this is the reason cell can absorb them in exactly the same way he does with regular humans.
they're basically captain america style super soldiers.
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Yup, the Paradox comic itself is headache inducing especially. But obviously it’s to be expected when you read Flash comics. But Comics scaling is still pretty fun if you know where to start and have the time to check your sources.
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Hmm, are you sure they don’t even have that infinite energy reactor as a mechanical component?
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Nope. Pretty sure that's somehow organic too going off of the manga. It makes absolutely no sense, but then again, there's been much weirder things that have occurred within fiction.
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It
I mean I suppose if it's for a character you like then I agree, it's just how much it varies when it starts to annoy me
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I also love how Black and Eobard kept killing each other.
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So Juvia vs Katara
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Well eh… guess it’s only a regen stomp then? Unless you use volume scaling like DB, then it’s also an AP stomp for Cyborg… probably (cause never underestimate fusion multipliers).
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But do they still have any vital mechanical oarts, like maybe a computer on the brain or something?
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However, despite being referred to as androids or cyborgs and commonly regarded as such, both Android 17 and his sister are practically neither. Bulma stated while looking at 17's blueprint that he was human-based, but just about everything has been enhanced with bio-organic components.[7] His only mechanical parts are the emergency deactivation controller and self-destruction device (removed).[8]
Did the deactivation controller get removed as well?
Did the deactivation controller get removed as well?
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Wouldn't have some cybernetics? As far as I'm aware, when Krillin asked Shenron to restore 18 and 17 back to being human he couldn't do it so Krillin had him remove the bomb out from 18 and 17.
Does that prove they have cybernetics? Not exactly but I think it does show that they aren't like super soldiers in the same vein as someone like Captain America
Edit: okay I stand corrected on the cybernetics thing, but to answer the question I don't think it's implied that the deactivation was removed but nothing also states he still has it either
Does that prove they have cybernetics? Not exactly but I think it does show that they aren't like super soldiers in the same vein as someone like Captain America
Edit: okay I stand corrected on the cybernetics thing, but to answer the question I don't think it's implied that the deactivation was removed but nothing also states he still has it either
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Yes, pretty sure it did.
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