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How many seasons does RWBY have left from Monty's story bible? Like c'mon Miles and Kerry, give Ruby a black hole feat or some better silver eyes hax, I don't want to see her be excecuted by Maka.
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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Bro, at this point, there is no escaping that execution. Miles and Kerry are firmly convinced they've shown the characters power progression well already, despite them, feat-wise, having regressed in reality from earlier volumes. Ruby is doomed to decapitation by Maka.
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true but shit
its funny just how being a Uni buster just isn't hotshit nowadays
its funny Maka indirectly gotten a massive buff despite her series being done 9 years ago
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What happens when an author cares, and isn't up their own ass, I guess.
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Imagine going almost a decade without moving A cloud or dodging A laser?
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Imagine managing to make your writing even more inconsistent and trashy over time, until nothing makes sense anymore in your own series and you've regressed it into oblivion.
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I meant a Dragon Ball to be blamed, like how DB was blamed earlier in this thread for the circa 2015-2016/2020-2021 revisions of people's pet franchises getting Universe Buster status. What franchise introduced via Death Battle or the wider versus community as a whole would inadvertently cause a huge influx of upgrades.
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IDK if you agree: Marvel and DC were among the comics who introduced the concepts of multiverses and timelines and higher dimensions. Many current literature just try to follow suit and add extra spice.
(Dr Strange, Dr Fate, the Flashes, true form DS, that 5D imp, TOAA, The Presence, Monitor Mind Overvoid, THE Writer...)
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Hard to say, really.
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Rwby is hard carried by the God Brothers
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Wait since when did the Zords get a Tier 4 calc?
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Remember when STTGL was famously one of the strongest anime characters just because of it's multi-galactic size and speed, no multiversal or 11D BS?Back then being a planet buster was the hottest shit you can be and seeing characters getting into Universal level and above to be somewhat of a rare sight
Now?
Almost everybody a Universal Buster
Remember SSJ4 gogeta being the strongest db character (at least in the eyes of the fandom)
elder god demonbane
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They might not have been the first to introduce the concepts, but they definitely popularized it and brought them mainstream, which helped bring these types of feats and stakes to popularity. So they're definitely somewhat at fault. I'd say Dragonball could probably be pointed at to a degree too.
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From what? Pyrrha dodging Penny’s beams?
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Simpler times man simpler times
Without FF being taking into account Island
With it now Planet Level
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I’m like 100% certain those don’t quantify as lightspeed :V
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*they only travel in straight lines
*they generate heat rather than produce force when impacting objects
*they cut things instead of fragmenting them
*they reflect off of mirrors
*Velvet was able to make a perfect replica of her lasers with her Light Dust (Dust in RWBY literally being natural elements turned into crystals)
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soul eater vs dbz lets go
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Source?
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In Dragon Ball, Roshi destroyed a moon.
In Dragon Ball Z, Frieza destroyed a large planet.
In Dragon Ball Super, "with God Ki, Goku could match blows with the God of Destruction, Beerus. Their clash nearly destroyed the entirety of Universe 7, a cosmological structure at least nine times larger than our own universe. At most, it could even be as large as 13 times greater than ours. Uh, side note, it's worth mentioning that when two Gods of Destruction fought, they were capable of casually destroying two of these universes."
Oh Dr Slump has Arale casually playing around planets (and even she was defeated by Beerus). Popeye, Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny casually jumped out of the anime reel and interact with the animators.
In fact, whenever a franchise gets popular, it easily becomes a template for other writers to follow suit. Just like the online game craze and VR craze spawned off Sword Art Online, which spawned off Log Horizon, Bofuri and more isekai genre.
Or how Gundam Seed spawned off praises on Gary Stus.
Or how Saikano spawned off those "grotesque / doomsday weapon girlfriend" genre (one of which is Elfen Lied).
Fair enough.
This... Actually served as a counter argument against the belief that some characters are god tier by living in the same verse as gods who performed some godly feats.
Do we have a CRT on the Soul Eater / Fire Force god tiers now? (If people are accepting such scaling)
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Whoever gets matched with this monster is toast /s
This dude unironically blitzes and one shots Saitama tho
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God I hate the "it fulfills the properties of laser so its a laser" shit.
Of course its easy to do that. They are simple properties and practically common knowledge. But with common sense I doubt some could dodge sth that moves around earth 7+ times.
Of course its easy to do that. They are simple properties and practically common knowledge. But with common sense I doubt some could dodge sth that moves around earth 7+ times.
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Looking back on the Season now that it's been a little bit, I'm kinda surprised how many fights were neutral feeling or negative for me. More than I thought left no impression (and some I already forgot becauseof it) or I actively dislike.
Everyone's perspective is different of course, and my subjective view means really little, but it's surprising looking back on the big anniversary season and only being able to pick out 3 I loved and 3 I liked
Of course, would I trade it? No, probably not, the peaks were all super high for me, Reverse Flash Vs. Goku Black, DIO Vs. Alucard, and Saitama Vs. Popeye have all entered my 'fights I'll rewatch any time' club...but I guess I was hoping to be blown away more than I was.
Maybe my expectations were in the wrong place, maybe I'm just a complainy bastard who needs to loosen up. Dunno. Just wanted to vent that after a watch back I just feel weirdly disappointed.
Everyone's perspective is different of course, and my subjective view means really little, but it's surprising looking back on the big anniversary season and only being able to pick out 3 I loved and 3 I liked
Of course, would I trade it? No, probably not, the peaks were all super high for me, Reverse Flash Vs. Goku Black, DIO Vs. Alucard, and Saitama Vs. Popeye have all entered my 'fights I'll rewatch any time' club...but I guess I was hoping to be blown away more than I was.
Maybe my expectations were in the wrong place, maybe I'm just a complainy bastard who needs to loosen up. Dunno. Just wanted to vent that after a watch back I just feel weirdly disappointed.
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Standards be loose
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Why discriminate against RWBY on light dodging feats?
Samurai Jack barely scratches small town AP and he is relativistic+. Jake Long is Tier 8 and Danny Phantom is Tier 7 and they are relativistic+ to low FTL.
Outliers are an issue but this is still a laser dodging feat
The true concern is consistency: and RWBY is not like those who abuses the hardest - like those 80s and 90s cartoons with extra cheese... These works have a lot of laser dodging feats just to be counter-argued by being unable to react to a falling tree trunk or a measy bullet.
You know what is as weird? Having characters who cannot even clear light speed normally and then they are multiple universe busters. To spice up, they have automatically been upgraded to infinite speed or at minimum MFTL+ speed because destroying a universe with an attack has to have such speed to reasonably spread through a universe.
Or another case: everyone is "infinite speed" of crossing a distance "described" to be "infinite" in length.
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Besides the obvious stuff like whether or not characters reacting to and/or dodging lasers is an outlier or not, I think it's perfectly fine to count something as a laser so long as it fulfills a sufficient amount of its properties. Like the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
I don't think his issue is with RWBY specifically, rather light dodging feats in general.
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Yeah, it wasnt just for RWBY, its for any verse where FTL+ only comes from lasers.
I guess technically there is a loophole for energy attacks that do destroy unis, those being MFTL+ is fine, but thats bit different from generic laser attacks being given actual FTL+ speeds. But honestly, in DB universe crossing waves are surprisingly rare. Besides lolGokuBeerus
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Actually I see lolGokuBeerus a good way to demonstrate a universe busting feat without busting an actual universe. Similar case for lolBarryWally.
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The real way to confirm lasers & energy to have FTL+ feats is to know the distance we know of them.
Goku vs Beerus clash reaches universe in less than a minute? Thats fast.
Piccolo destroys moon in short time frame? We actually know enough to calc that.
Somehow like 4 fighting game verses have lasers that reach from orbit? Yeah thats fine too.
But say, Steven Universes shitty ass defense grid system making them FTL? Get outta here.
Now, SU might have other technical MFTL+ stuff like Diamond attack, but no one really scales to its speed.
The duck fallacy sucks. If how it looks is important, please look at how the actual scene is portrayed. The scene DB used to prove Steven is Lightspeed is really bad.
Goku vs Beerus clash reaches universe in less than a minute? Thats fast.
Piccolo destroys moon in short time frame? We actually know enough to calc that.
Somehow like 4 fighting game verses have lasers that reach from orbit? Yeah thats fine too.
But say, Steven Universes shitty ass defense grid system making them FTL? Get outta here.
Now, SU might have other technical MFTL+ stuff like Diamond attack, but no one really scales to its speed.
The duck fallacy sucks. If how it looks is important, please look at how the actual scene is portrayed. The scene DB used to prove Steven is Lightspeed is really bad.
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RWBY and Steven’s cases in particular are bad/wank but generally speaking if a laser fulfills enough criteria to be considered actual light then I’d say applying the logic “light moves at lightspeed” is fine
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This but for 'destruction of all existence pertains to 2-C+'. You're telling me Malos needed Aion + Sirens to blow up a planet, but can seemingly universe bust 'because Xeno'? Imma press X to call bullshit, chief.
I know this is coming from someone who puts 'life wiper' at moon level, but there's a reason it's an estimation that's normally a lowball.
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Scaling to AP and actual evidence of destructive AP can lead to wonky shit.
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