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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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I have heard that Sifu will be out. I think the protagonist has solid Wall level feats such as breaking window and has typical martial arts ability. However, unlike other typical martial arts characters, he can revive himself from death but it will age him and once he is too old, he cannot revive and dead forever.
FantaRin_The_First said:
Relativistic Speed for Danganronpa?! What?! How!? Why?!

... Onto what you crossed out, I actually think that might make Toko try to murder Seven faster due to her quirk of wanting to murder pretty boys and whatnot. Though, I do wonder what other DB Matches Toko might have that fits her, y'know?
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Technically, it is Genocide Syo who want to murder pretty boys. I know that it is actually serious Seven VS Genocide Syo since non-serious Seven and Toko are... if you have some knowledge about their series, you will find that non-serious Seven and Toko will have some funny interaction. Personally, I think Seven will be the one who starts the battle. I'd like to see how the winner kill the loser.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Relativistic Speed for Danganronpa?! What?! How!? Why?!

... Onto what you crossed out, I actually think that might make Toko try to murder Seven faster due to her quirk of wanting to murder pretty boys and whatnot. Though, I do wonder what other DB Matches Toko might have that fits her, y'know?
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Well... Good luck that China animated series currently airing on Netflix gets some response.

Tipper17 said:
Yoh has either Yusuke or Black Star
Hao has Yhwach
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Seventy96 said:
Or Ichigo
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Hold it - Black Star vs Killua Zoldyck is growing since Akame is "proven" in Gray vs Esdeath to tag Esdeath who was multi-continent and that Black Star is "proven" in Venom vs Crona to tag Crona who was "only" 1000 times stronger than vanilla Venom.

Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
I've actually made one, hah, as the main propagator of this match I had to (it's a little jokey from the background, but it gets the job done)
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Thanks.

I will make one on Kirby vs Yuyuko Saigyouji as a token of thanks some time.
Or Hades vs Yuyuko. Or you may wish to suggest any matchup Yuyu-sama may fight against. Just uh... Will Yuyuko vs Giratina be even worse than Hoopa vs Yukari Yakumo?





Okay just asking:
1. What are their close connections? Like heroes who lost their succession to one most powerful weapon/ability to the main protagonists?
2. How good do you agree on the general consensus?
 
Jasonsith said:
Hold it - Black Star vs Killua Zoldyck is growing since Akame is "proven" in Gray vs Esdeath to tag Esdeath who was multi-continent and that Black Star is "proven" in Venom vs Crona to tag Crona who was "only" 1000 times stronger than vanilla Venom.
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I rarely see Folks advocate Killua vs Black Star much these days and either Akame and BS shit stomp Killua one way or the other so it means Lil to argue which is less stompy
 
Mariogoods said:
I have heard that Sifu will be out. I think the protagonist has solid Wall level feats such as breaking window and has typical martial arts ability. However, unlike other typical martial arts characters, he can revive himself from death but it will age him and once he is too old, he cannot revive and dead forever
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Sifu has some interesting supernatural elements with the bosses, one of them has a pretty interesting vegetation growth feat and the other has some whacky fire manipulation shit. I've only gotten past the first two areas so far, and the 3rd gets visually very abstract. I doubt the verse will get crazy or anything, but there might be some potential interesting calcs depending on if any of them can be applied to AP.
 
Jasonsith said:
Thanks.

I will make one on Kirby vs Yuyuko Saigyouji as a token of thanks some time.
Or Hades vs Yuyuko. Or you may wish to suggest any matchup Yuyu-sama may fight against. Just uh... Will Yuyuko vs Giratina be even worse than Hoopa vs Yukari Yakumo?
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I look forward to seeing it then!

And uh, Giratina is one of the only Pokemon I like in versus (in the very small list of like, Mewtwo, Arceus, and Giratina lol, I really do not like Pokemon in versus) and I really don't understand any of it's Touhou MUs. Yukari v Giratina has like no connections and I imagine Yuyuko v Giratina has equally as few. I'm not super familiar with what Hades is from, but it's probably a better Yuyuko MU tbh. If I can find a better Yuyu MU, I'll definitely let you know. I'm on a crusade to find the best Touhou MUs I can find for every character rn. Here are my current favorites:

(-'s represent their connections, ~ represent my thoughts on the MU and how the fight would go itself)

Reimu Hakurei vs Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
-Lax, lazy girls who go with the flow of life, but have fiery responses to protect their homes.
-Both are the main characters of their respective franchises.
-Both utilize a non-standard format of combat (Danmaku/Spell Card Duels and Puyo Battles)
-Franchises started in a style very different to what it would eventually become (Puyo started as an RPG, Touhou's first game was a weird pong type deal)
-Both have strong associations with holy powers
~Stats are surprisingly Reimu's closest MU. While Arle might have higher AP, Reimu has much higher speed, more versatile abilities, the better keep-away game with Danmaku, and Arle has no counter to unrestricted Fantasy Nature

Marisa Kirisame vs Lina Inverse (Slayers)
-Self-made witches that claim themselves to be "ordinary" despite being anything but
-Specialize in incredibly destructive & powerful magic despite being humans
-Frequently grandstand about how great they are despite having weaknesses they work hard to hide
-Both engage in treasure hunting when the opportunity arises
-Both have a reputation for thievery (though admittedly Marisa grew out of this trait in her recent years, it was a very prevalent trait early on)
~Unfortunately not at all close stat-wise, Marisa completely stomps in every category severely, and Lina's strongest move likely kills her in the process, and isn't even enough to scratch Marisa. Despite being very thematic, there's nothing to debate here (and this fight is likely to only get more unfair as Touhou profiles get fixed more). I'd like to find an MU for Marisa that's closer stats-wise but with equally good connections sometime.

Cirno vs Jack Frost (Shin Megami Tensei)
-Childish, arrogant, stubborn, sorta dumb assholes.
-Both specialize in cryo-kinesis.
-Both are fairies.
-Are the respective fodder enemies of their verse, but are very popular within their communities as cutsey mascot type characters.
-Both are functionally immortal and incapable of dying due to their nature (Jack Frost's connection to The Axiom resulting in him always resurrecting after death, and Cirno's nature as a fairy resulting in her always reviving as long as the concept of ice/cold exists).
~Just a very fun MU to think about in general, and depending on how you go about the match, could even result in a draw, with them repeatedly killing each other again and again until they tire of it, becoming friends in the end or simply giving up, it's how I personally see the fight at least. While Jack Frost does have a potential method to kill Cirno for good through corrupting her and disconnecting her from her nature, Cirno's simply massively too fast to be killed off like that for good.

Sakuya Izayoi vs Axl Low (Guilty Gear)
-Both are blue clad characters from videogames.
-Both were initially random people, but got send to the world in which their game series happens (Axl accidentally got into future where Guilty Gear happens via time slipping into it and Sakuya got into Gensokyo for unknown reason)
-Pasts that are completely mysterious, with the only aspects being known they were frequently in combat
-After entering into new worlds, both had received new names which they go by now
- Both work with some of the most well known villains in their series (I-No and Remilia) and both are very loyal to them
-Both use bladed weapons in combat (Axl uses Kusarigama and Sakuya uses her knives)
-Both have time manipulation/control in general, as well as abilities of existence erasure that stem from their time control (Axl can erase timelines via his existence and Sakuya can erase anything via erasing it's time)
-Both also have a clock motif with their timestop abilities
~While Axl has a massive AP advantage through his haxx that definitely could put Sakuya under, her speed is insurmountably higher than Axl's, and her AP far surpasses that of his durability, meaning she'd be able to put him down before he'd have the chance to finally put her under with his AP advantage.

Flandre Scarlet vs Marx (Kirby)
-Both have bat-like appendages with rainbow colored crystal-like wings (and fangs)
-Both are eccentric weirdos typically
-Questionable mental states (Marx is functionally insane in his monster form, while Flandre becomes bloodlusted due to her penchant for combat)
-Both can manipulate fire and water (in varying ways)
-Innocent, friendly, cutesy exterior hiding terrifying power and violence within
-Extremely popular within their franchise, despite only having a single major appearance, until a triumphant return decades later (Star Allies & TH17.5)
-The superboss of their respective main appearances
-Kinda similar color schemes lol
~While Marx might have higher AP and a potential wincon through Friend Heart morality manipulation, Flandre's higher speed and incredible regen would keep her in the game far long enough to get off her wincon, with this one having the most blatant wincon of any MU on the list, just simply blowing him the **** up with her ability. There's nothing he can do to counteract it.

Youmu Konpaku vs Vergil Sparda (Devil May Cry)
-Silver-haired katana wielders
-Specialize in dealing with the paranormal
-Both have swords with specialized properties allowing them to cut through nearly anything
~Not the most thematic MU, but it's very fun to think of with some fun choreography opportunities. Overall more befitting of a DBX, using DB Stats Youmu would shitstomp but by our stats it's likely Vergil would pull the win.

Yukari Yakumo vs Altair (RE:Creators)
-They're both reality warping danmaku users who are born from and sustained by human belief
-Are the creators of a separate dimension considered a utopia
-Both are incredibly intelligent, overconfident, and hard to kill.
-Funnily enough both have a thematic connection to trains.
-Both were created specifically for 'meta' reasons
-There's also a bit of contrast present in how Yukari ultimately protects fictional beings via creating Gensokyo while Altair kills them
-Both have dealt with a tragic loss of a loved one that effects them and their actions throughout the series, though in the end they're able to re-unite and spend their lives with this person.
-Both share similar haxx, such as mindhaxx (there's plenty else I missed)
~This MU is very debateable and has a lot of crazy potential, to the point I can't quite say a clear victor. I lean towards Yukari to my knowledge of it though, but Altair has plenty of potential kill methods in her arsenal as well.

Kasen Ibaraki vs Fleetway Sonic the Hedgehog (Fleetway Comics) [my personal favorite 2hu MU that I seem to be the first to have come up with]
-In base forms, both are heavily associated with nature/being protectors of it
-They both withhold evil alternate personalities within (Oni Kasen and Super Sonic) that they're ashamed of and try to hide/repress
-Their evil personalities are are only released when they reach their strongest form (in Kasen's case, regaining her full oni body, in Fleetway's, being charged up on Chaos Energy)
-Both have an association with/can access an alternate universe (Kasen's Senkai and the Special Zone)
-Have some similar haxx/ability countering.
~Stats are relatively close across the board, though Kasen's higher ends for speed beat out Sonic's. The fight ultimately comes down to haxx, and while Sonic's reality warping might offer a possibility to kill off Kasen, it's much more likely for Kasen to pull the win through BFR'ing and destroying Super Sonic's soul, as he has absolutely no counter to that.

Toutetsu Yuuma vs Kirby (I ******* wonder)
-Both share the main ability of inhaling/absorption.
-Both gain abilities/knowledge from what they absorb, Kirby gaining new Copy Abilities, while Yuuma gains knowledge and has her emotions change based on what she absorbs (Yuuma's ability varies slightly from Kirby's here by being able to also absorb physical attacks to her body)
-Contrasts with Kirby being a pure force of unbridled good, while Yuuma is more antagonistic and self-serving, doing what she needs to get the results she wants.

~This fight is actually absurdly close. While Kirby seems to have higher AP & durability, Yuuma has a speed advantage however, and a special ability that completely negates Kirby's AP advantage, as he's unable to truly hurt her through typical means. So the fight in the end would come down to haxx. While Yuuma does have a potential kill option in if she can manage to do enough damage to Kirby to kill his physical body, she could them consume his spirit, finishing him for good, Kirby has many more options to finish the fight before she gets that chance. Such as the simple but effective method of morality manipulation. Since Yuuma is STRONGLY affected emotionally by what she absorbs, Kirby's Friend Hearts would have an abnormally strong effect on her and would likely completely take her out of the battle. Or he could simply BFR her to his stomach dimension with her having no major way to get out. Most of his other methods like transmutation or possessing then destroying her body wouldn't work due to her regeneration, so those are his two best wincons, and both are non-fatal funnily enough.
 
Jasonsith said:
Well, sort of.

But just... Okay Abel (Devil Survivor) stomps a lot of his opponents using our site's stats. Now, what are their close connections thanks.
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Stolen from here ^
Connections:
Normal humans who were reincarnated into their current forms. They ended up getting in the middle of a major conflict in which they have to gain new power. They eventually grew so powerful that they reached godlike status (Rimuru as God, and Kazuya as Bel, the King of Demons) Both also became some form of Demon Lord (Rimuru a Demon Lord, and Kazuya the King of Demons)
 
JoshDoshMosh said:

Stolen from here ^
Connections:
Normal humans who were reincarnated into their current forms. They ended up getting in the middle of a major conflict in which they have to gain new power. They eventually grew so powerful that they reached godlike status (Rimuru as God, and Kazuya as Bel, the King of Demons) Both also became some form of Demon Lord (Rimuru a Demon Lord, and Kazuya the King of Demons)
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I'd honestly like to see YHVH vs Arceus or even Darkseid.

Maybe even a Lucifer vs Lucemon/Lucifer match upm
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
Sifu has some interesting supernatural elements with the bosses, one of them has a pretty interesting vegetation growth feat and the other has some whacky fire manipulation shit. I've only gotten past the first two areas so far, and the 3rd gets visually very abstract. I doubt the verse will get crazy or anything, but there might be some potential interesting calcs depending on if any of them can be applied to AP.
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I think that these supernatural elements are at best environmental destruction (at worst they are simply changing background for art effect) and they don't apply to AP.
 
Mariogoods said:
I think that these supernatural elements are at best environmental destruction (at worst they are simply changing background for art effect) and they don't apply to AP.
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So that said for the AP of the mid-bosses of Cuphead?

fandom_0ホルスファルコン将軍0 said:
Basically Korra VS Storm but for white women.
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Except Diana Prince is between yellow to ebony so she is not even white in skin color imo.

JoshDoshMosh said:

Stolen from here ^
Connections:
Normal humans who were reincarnated into their current forms. They ended up getting in the middle of a major conflict in which they have to gain new power. They eventually grew so powerful that they reached godlike status (Rimuru as God, and Kazuya as Bel, the King of Demons) Both also became some form of Demon Lord (Rimuru a Demon Lord, and Kazuya the King of Demons)
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Thanks.
 
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Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
I look forward to seeing it then!

And uh, Giratina is one of the only Pokemon I like in versus (in the very small list of like, Mewtwo, Arceus, and Giratina lol, I really do not like Pokemon in versus) and I really don't understand any of it's Touhou MUs. Yukari v Giratina has like no connections and I imagine Yuyuko v Giratina has equally as few. I'm not super familiar with what Hades is from, but it's probably a better Yuyuko MU tbh. If I can find a better Yuyu MU, I'll definitely let you know. I'm on a crusade to find the best Touhou MUs I can find for every character rn. Here are my current favorites:

(-'s represent their connections, ~ represent my thoughts on the MU and how the fight would go itself)

Reimu Hakurei vs Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
-Lax, lazy girls who go with the flow of life, but have fiery responses to protect their homes.
-Both are the main characters of their respective franchises.
-Both utilize a non-standard format of combat (Danmaku/Spell Card Duels and Puyo Battles)
-Franchises started in a style very different to what it would eventually become (Puyo started as an RPG, Touhou's first game was a weird pong type deal)
-Both have strong associations with holy powers
~Stats are surprisingly Reimu's closest MU. While Arle might have higher AP, Reimu has much higher speed, more versatile abilities, the better keep-away game with Danmaku, and Arle has no counter to unrestricted Fantasy Nature

Marisa Kirisame vs Lina Inverse (Slayers)
-Self-made witches that claim themselves to be "ordinary" despite being anything but
-Specialize in incredibly destructive & powerful magic despite being humans
-Frequently grandstand about how great they are despite having weaknesses they work hard to hide
-Both engage in treasure hunting when the opportunity arises
-Both have a reputation for thievery (though admittedly Marisa grew out of this trait in her recent years, it was a very prevalent trait early on)
~Unfortunately not at all close stat-wise, Marisa completely stomps in every category severely, and Lina's strongest move likely kills her in the process, and isn't even enough to scratch Marisa. Despite being very thematic, there's nothing to debate here (and this fight is likely to only get more unfair as Touhou profiles get fixed more). I'd like to find an MU for Marisa that's closer stats-wise but with equally good connections sometime.

Cirno vs Jack Frost (Shin Megami Tensei)
-Childish, arrogant, stubborn, sorta dumb assholes.
-Both specialize in cryo-kinesis.
-Both are fairies.
-Are the respective fodder enemies of their verse, but are very popular within their communities as cutsey mascot type characters.
-Both are functionally immortal and incapable of dying due to their nature (Jack Frost's connection to The Axiom resulting in him always resurrecting after death, and Cirno's nature as a fairy resulting in her always reviving as long as the concept of ice/cold exists).
~Just a very fun MU to think about in general, and depending on how you go about the match, could even result in a draw, with them repeatedly killing each other again and again until they tire of it, becoming friends in the end or simply giving up, it's how I personally see the fight at least. While Jack Frost does have a potential method to kill Cirno for good through corrupting her and disconnecting her from her nature, Cirno's simply massively too fast to be killed off like that for good.

Sakuya Izayoi vs Axl Low (Guilty Gear)
-Both are blue clad characters from videogames.
-Both were initially random people, but got send to the world in which their game series happens (Axl accidentally got into future where Guilty Gear happens via time slipping into it and Sakuya got into Gensokyo for unknown reason)
-Pasts that are completely mysterious, with the only aspects being known they were frequently in combat
-After entering into new worlds, both had received new names which they go by now
- Both work with some of the most well known villains in their series (I-No and Remilia) and both are very loyal to them
-Both use bladed weapons in combat (Axl uses Kusarigama and Sakuya uses her knives)
-Both have time manipulation/control in general, as well as abilities of existence erasure that stem from their time control (Axl can erase timelines via his existence and Sakuya can erase anything via erasing it's time)
-Both also have a clock motif with their timestop abilities
~While Axl has a massive AP advantage through his haxx that definitely could put Sakuya under, her speed is insurmountably higher than Axl's, and her AP far surpasses that of his durability, meaning she'd be able to put him down before he'd have the chance to finally put her under with his AP advantage.

Flandre Scarlet vs Marx (Kirby)
-Both have bat-like appendages with rainbow colored crystal-like wings (and fangs)
-Both are eccentric weirdos typically
-Questionable mental states (Marx is functionally insane in his monster form, while Flandre becomes bloodlusted due to her penchant for combat)
-Both can manipulate fire and water (in varying ways)
-Innocent, friendly, cutesy exterior hiding terrifying power and violence within
-Extremely popular within their franchise, despite only having a single major appearance, until a triumphant return decades later (Star Allies & TH17.5)
-The superboss of their respective main appearances
-Kinda similar color schemes lol
~While Marx might have higher AP and a potential wincon through Friend Heart morality manipulation, Flandre's higher speed and incredible regen would keep her in the game far long enough to get off her wincon, with this one having the most blatant wincon of any MU on the list, just simply blowing him the **** up with her ability. There's nothing he can do to counteract it.

Youmu Konpaku vs Vergil Sparda (Devil May Cry)
-Silver-haired katana wielders
-Specialize in dealing with the paranormal
-Both have swords with specialized properties allowing them to cut through nearly anything
~Not the most thematic MU, but it's very fun to think of with some fun choreography opportunities. Overall more befitting of a DBX, using DB Stats Youmu would shitstomp but by our stats it's likely Vergil would pull the win.

Yukari Yakumo vs Altair (RE:Creators)
-They're both reality warping danmaku users who are born from and sustained by human belief
-Are the creators of a separate dimension considered a utopia
-Both are incredibly intelligent, overconfident, and hard to kill.
-Funnily enough both have a thematic connection to trains.
-Both were created specifically for 'meta' reasons
-There's also a bit of contrast present in how Yukari ultimately protects fictional beings via creating Gensokyo while Altair kills them
-Both have dealt with a tragic loss of a loved one that effects them and their actions throughout the series, though in the end they're able to re-unite and spend their lives with this person.
-Both share similar haxx, such as mindhaxx (there's plenty else I missed)
~This MU is very debateable and has a lot of crazy potential, to the point I can't quite say a clear victor. I lean towards Yukari to my knowledge of it though, but Altair has plenty of potential kill methods in her arsenal as well.

Kasen Ibaraki vs Fleetway Sonic the Hedgehog (Fleetway Comics) [my personal favorite 2hu MU that I seem to be the first to have come up with]
-In base forms, both are heavily associated with nature/being protectors of it
-They both withhold evil alternate personalities within (Oni Kasen and Super Sonic) that they're ashamed of and try to hide/repress
-Their evil personalities are are only released when they reach their strongest form (in Kasen's case, regaining her full oni body, in Fleetway's, being charged up on Chaos Energy)
-Both have an association with/can access an alternate universe (Kasen's Senkai and the Special Zone)
-Have some similar haxx/ability countering.
~Stats are relatively close across the board, though Kasen's higher ends for speed beat out Sonic's. The fight ultimately comes down to haxx, and while Sonic's reality warping might offer a possibility to kill off Kasen, it's much more likely for Kasen to pull the win through BFR'ing and destroying Super Sonic's soul, as he has absolutely no counter to that.

Toutetsu Yuuma vs Kirby (I ******* wonder)
-Both share the main ability of inhaling/absorption.
-Both gain abilities/knowledge from what they absorb, Kirby gaining new Copy Abilities, while Yuuma gains knowledge and has her emotions change based on what she absorbs (Yuuma's ability varies slightly from Kirby's here by being able to also absorb physical attacks to her body)
-Contrasts with Kirby being a pure force of unbridled good, while Yuuma is more antagonistic and self-serving, doing what she needs to get the results she wants.

~This fight is actually absurdly close. While Kirby seems to have higher AP & durability, Yuuma has a speed advantage however, and a special ability that completely negates Kirby's AP advantage, as he's unable to truly hurt her through typical means. So the fight in the end would come down to haxx. While Yuuma does have a potential kill option in if she can manage to do enough damage to Kirby to kill his physical body, she could them consume his spirit, finishing him for good, Kirby has many more options to finish the fight before she gets that chance. Such as the simple but effective method of morality manipulation. Since Yuuma is STRONGLY affected emotionally by what she absorbs, Kirby's Friend Hearts would have an abnormally strong effect on her and would likely completely take her out of the battle. Or he could simply BFR her to his stomach dimension with her having no major way to get out. Most of his other methods like transmutation or possessing then destroying her body wouldn't work due to her regeneration, so those are his two best wincons, and both are non-fatal funnily enough.
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Yo, can you find a MU for Mima?
 
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