DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Mfw warping reality isn’t reality warping

Like I'm trying to steelman the arguement in my head and it still doesn't make any sense lmao

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Keyword: "years". What I am saying happened last year, mere months before research began. There's nothing indicating it changed except optimism Death Battle doesn't deserve.

Fair enough, I suppose. But if what you say is true and Ultraguy said all of this months before research began, then who's to say that his opinions remained the same? He probably thinks Bowser still wins, but it's a lot closer than he was expecting.

My stance on the matter is that if the research is terrible for both Eggman and Bowser, then you or anyone else can call them out on it and debunk any faulty arguments they might use. But just wait till the episode is actually out by tomorrow, again they might surprise us in a pleasant way. Eggman might even win, you never know.

 

[Theuser789]

Death Battle will never ever put Sonic at 1-C lmao (probably because 6-D only really exists because of the concept of hypertimelines here). Anyways, Death Battle each time has surpassed my pessimism, so in actually I haven't been doomer enough, actually. The reasoning for Bowser winning could even be WORSE than the one from a year ago, too.

 

[Tipper17]

Is anyone still genuinely kind of frustrated about Omni-dock?

Like have they ever been this objectively wrong before?

From the horrifically inflated sun-disc calc, to using the sun disk as a feat at all, the scaling Nolan to the full viltrum bust based on the worst reasoning imaginable, then to them cherry picking the low ends of Bardock's feats, including for some reason not scaling Bardock to Toei's Planet Vegeta destruction calc and instead to the DBS Broly one, even though that wasn't the one that sent Bardock back in time to get Super Saiyan to begin with.

Super Saiyan has this super massive stamina drain, please ignore Goku being able to maintain it during a heart attack.

The ship that fired the beam that broke the sun disk scales to its AP because it can handle the recoil, please ignore lasers having no mass therefore no recoil.

And to top it all off, Speedy includes this condescending finger wag at Dragon Ball fans in his shit show of an explanation about anti-feats and how Dragon Ball fans don't know how good they got it because they ignore things like 'King Piccolo struggling to blow up a city'.

HE DIDN'T STRUGGLE TO BLOW UP A FCKING CITY HE WAS LITERALLY JUST DOING IT TO SHOW OFF JESUS CHRIST

And it's not like the QnA did anything other than go 'scaling is like, subjective man', ignoring any real criticism or points.

They came back crowd funded only to immediately destroy a ton of good faith.

I mean outside a few delusional stans majority don't think it was right by any real metric

There a reason why folks be just saying "mini rumble version" got it right on there comment section tho the fight was made before the DB because the research was that bad for it

It's bad yes and most who not trying so hard to defend a bad reasoning are annoyed but we'll live until something else comes in and takes the stage

Like Bowser vs Eggman

 

[WCMM]

please ignore lasers having no mass therefore no recoil.

Okay, small physics lesson here. Lasers are massless, but they do have momentum, so they do actually have recoil. It's just an absolutely miniscule amount of recoil in relative terms, just about 1 Newton (0.2248lbs) per 300Megawatts. So, if the laser did, as they say, produce 8641.8 Quettatons of energy in a quarter of a second, that would produce about 5.037×10^35 Newtons of recoil.

This is actually one of those things that Star Wars tech nerds would debate back in the day, why doesn't the Death Star go flying back when it uses its superlaser? My personal favorite theory is that the superlaser also acts as a sort of tether that prevents momentum being exchanged between the Death Star and the planet, but even that isn't without problems.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Looks like OST is called "Game Over".

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Okay, small physics lesson here. Lasers are massless, but they do have momentum, so they do actually have recoil. It's just an absolutely miniscule amount of recoil in relative terms, just about 1 Newton (0.2248lbs) per 300Megawatts. So, if the laser did, as they say, produce 8641.8 Quettatons of energy in a quarter of a second, that would produce about 5.037×10^35 Newtons of recoil.

This is actually one of those things that Star Wars tech nerds would debate back in the day, why doesn't the Death Star go flying back when it uses it's superlaser? My personal favorite theory is that the superlaser also acts as a sort of tether that prevents momentum being exchanged between the Death Star and the planet, but even that isn't without problems.

Problem is, the most wanked correct calc I've seen puts the actual sun disk AP at sub 200 quettatons, so the issue would just fall back to the laser being horrifically wanked. If you believe Omni Man can scale to it, fine, but its not getting anywhere near where Bardock can get

 

[WCMM]

Problem is, the most wanked correct calc I've seen puts the actual sun disk AP at sub 200 quettatons, so the issue would just fall back to the laser being horrifically wanked. If you believe Omni Man can scale to it, fine, but its not getting anywhere near where Bardock can get

Oh, yeah, no. Absolutely.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Oh, yeah, no. Absolutely.

I can still easily get Bardock past their wanked figures too. Scale him in base to Vegeta casually pointing away the planet and moon, which can get to 250 quettatons, multiply that by 50x for 12k quettatons, or use the near solar system level calcs for toei's planet vegeta bust.

 

[WCMM]

I really wish I could see DB's actual calculations to analyze them directly.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I really wish I could see DB's actual calculations to analyze them directly.

I think StyrmUltra worked backwards from their result, Speedy based his assumptions that the planet's gravity was comparable to black holes or stars, which is physically impossible.

Tackling the Solar Disc Feat

Tackling the Solar Disk Feat Introduction to the Feat I admittedly made this in reaction to the Death Battle. Before it came out I thought the whole thing was a joke and there was no way Death Battle would take the feat seriously. To put it simply, Nolan wants to conquer the Savage Planet which...

docs.google.com

I think this is his doc, could be wrong

 

[Tipper17]

I think StyrmUltra worked backwards from their result, Speedy based his assumptions that the planet's gravity was comparable to black holes or stars, which is physically impossible.

Tackling the Solar Disc Feat

Tackling the Solar Disk Feat Introduction to the Feat I admittedly made this in reaction to the Death Battle. Before it came out I thought the whole thing was a joke and there was no way Death Battle would take the feat seriously. To put it simply, Nolan wants to conquer the Savage Planet which...

docs.google.com

I think this is his doc, could be wrong

No it ain't his doc that was a buddy of mine that did that

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Looks like OST is called "Game Over".

The OST for this episode? Eh...I guess it's fitting since they're both villains that have caused plenty of game overs for gamers, but it's definitely not my favorite name in the world.



I like the name of this commission from a few years ago more personally.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I remember reading through other calcs on spacebattlesforum and reddit that echo that conclusion, with them being nowhere near as generous as this doc is

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

No it ain't his doc that was a buddy of mine that did that

Stolen valor

My b

 

[WCMM]

Looking at that, I think DB used some utterly absurd mass for the planet that wouldn't be physically possible irl. I could except that that's canon, but the problem is, that means accepting a physical situation so utterly absurd, that it throws their other physics based assumptions, like the disk being at the system's L1 point, into question.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Looks like OST is called "Game Over".

Generic ngl, cuz that can apply to any video game series

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Looking at that, I think DB used some utterly absurd mass for the planet that wouldn't be physically possible irl. I could except that that's canon, but the problem is, that means accepting a physical situation so utterly absurd, that it throws their other physics based assumptions, like the disk being at the system's L1 point, into question.

Yeah, reasonably the sun disc calc probably won't even reach Death Battle's viltrum bust result.

I'm fine with Nolan scaling to the entire bust at the end of the series, ignoring the complications caused by the ray gun and shit, but he just simply doesn't get beyond that.

 

[Joycap]

I think StyrmUltra worked backwards from their result, Speedy based his assumptions that the planet's gravity was comparable to black holes or stars, which is physically impossible.

Tackling the Solar Disc Feat

Tackling the Solar Disk Feat Introduction to the Feat I admittedly made this in reaction to the Death Battle. Before it came out I thought the whole thing was a joke and there was no way Death Battle would take the feat seriously. To put it simply, Nolan wants to conquer the Savage Planet which...

docs.google.com

I think this is his doc, could be wrong

Now that I think about it (and I know this seems odd as someone who played devil's advocate for Sun Disk as a passive observer), but even if SD was true, shouldn't this kind of thing be written off as a colossal outlier?

 

[TartaChocholate]

what if death battle uses 1-C eggman and 2-B bowser

And then proceed to cite this site as their reference, ooooh boy the sheer amount of venom that would come out.

I doubt it. I have a guy inside the discord server who said that the CRT that got Sonic that high was torn apart and laughed out the room by tons of people. It could've been in a private chat or something but he says 2A to maybe L1C is as high as Sonic gets in the server, which I agree with, but that doesn't make Ultraguy's argumentation for Bowser winning any better.

Have no idea about Boswer scaling tho

Lol, it's kind of badass that you have your own inside agents.

 

[WCMM]

Now that I think about it (and I know this seems odd as someone who played devil's advocate for Sun Disk as a passive observer), but even if SD was true, shouldn't this kind of thing be written off as a colossal outlier?

Not if you assume that Viltrum is super durable for some bizarre reason, like, say, it taking more than the Space Racer's gun to destroy it, despite said gun blowing up stars.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

And then proceed to cite this site as their reference, ooooh boy the sheer amount of venom that would come out.

Lol, it's kind of badass that you have your own inside agents.

I got them to give me the general consensus from the community closest to the DB crew. Like yesterday I asked them how split is Bowser and Eggman, and they both said 50/50.

 

[Theuser789]

I got them to give me the general consensus from the community closest to the DB crew. Like yesterday I asked them how split is Bowser and Eggman, and they both said 50/50.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

It's a toss-up, most people in the server seem to agree in it being a coin flip, which is nice. They aren't 100% opposed to the other side winning at all.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Also anyone even calced Viltrum busting? Since nobody calced it with any size bigger then Earth yet

 

[Dust_Collector]

It's a toss-up, most people in the server seem to agree in it being a coin flip, which is nice. They aren't 100% opposed to Bowser or Eggman winning at all.

The kind of MU I like to see, love how this fight is such a toss up and in general nobody on either side would really mind if Bowser or Eggman win as long as the reasonings good

Also anyone even calced Viltrum busting? Since nobody calced it with any size bigger then Earth yet

Don't think anyone outside DB really tried calcing it with anything larger than earth size

 

[Tipper17]

Not if you assume that Viltrum is super durable for some bizarre reason, like, say, it taking more than the Space Racer's gun to destroy it, despite said gun blowing up stars.

honestly the viltrum has to be some super durable planet logic to try and defend the logic of the sun disk is dumb given nothing remotely hints at the planet being special in any metric when its only 1.25x earths gravity its like saying Namek is something special because frieza couldn't outright nuke it despite having no issue sending planet vegeta to hell with a finger casually

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

The kind of MU I like to see, love how this fight is such a toss up and in general nobody on either side would really mind if Bowser or Eggman win as long as the reasonings good


Don't think anyone outside DB really tried calcing it with anything larger than earth size

I mean I know a lot of people who won't accept Bowser winning at all

 

[ShakeResounding]

I doubt it. I have a guy inside the discord server who said that the CRT that got Sonic that high was torn apart and laughed out the room by tons of people.

You would think for as much flak as the Sonic stats get, there would be people with the balls to try and do something about it

 

[ShakeResounding]

I mean I know a lot of people who won't accept Bowser winning at all

True on both sides, for me it's about them giving Eggman some good stats and don't shill him as an incompetent r-tard.

Past that, I'm fine with a Bowser dub

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

You would think for as much flak as the Sonic stats get, there would be people with the balls to try and do something about it

An overwhelming majority of Death Battle fans don't take VSBW seriously other than it's tiering system. Both on reddit and discord. I don't think people care enough to do anything.

 

[ShakeResounding]

An overwhelming majority of Death Battle fans don't take VSBW seriously other than it's tiering system.

Two sides of the same coin, I tell ya.

Though the amount of times upgrades/downgrades for characters go through and people on the DB subreddit complain is just too funny

 

[Theuser789]

An overwhelming majority of Death Battle fans don't take VSBW seriously other than it's tiering system. Both on reddit and discord. I don't think people care enough to do anything.

VSBW and Death Battle are sheer opposites in the scaling game. Just look at the comics pages for example.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I am extremely sympathetic to that opinion towards this site, after Dragon Ball had to scratch and claw for hypertimeline shit, fighting through conveniently timed standard changes as soon as it got accepted.

I've gotten egg on my face multiple times trying to convince people 'oh it's not that bad' only for stupid shit to pass.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I feel homeless scaling wise sometimes. Don't agree with this site alot, don't agree with the wild west of power scaling subreddits.

 

[WCMM]

I feel homeless scaling wise sometimes. Don't agree with this site alot, don't agree with the wild west of power scaling subreddits.

Have you tried Spacebattles?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Have you tried Spacebattles?

Their interface is annoying as shit lol

 

[Bigdongus]

And then proceed to cite this site as their reference, ooooh boy the sheer amount of venom that would come out.

Lol, it's kind of badass that you have your own inside agents.

You kind of have to when people get banned from there because a staff member felt pissy that day.

 

[Bigdongus]

I feel homeless scaling wise sometimes. Don't agree with this site alot, don't agree with the wild west of power scaling subreddits.

Me too. Reddit is still the worst one imo, because there is always at least one user wanking their favorite thing and claiming it’s outerversal on the flimsiest of basis. Like that guy who was trying to convince me that WoW bosses (all of them) are outerversal and infinite speed

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Me too. Reddit is still the worst one imo, because there is always at least one user wanking their favorite thing and claiming it’s outerversal on the flimsiest of basis. Like that guy who was trying to convince me that WoW bosses (all of them) are outerversal and infinite speed

Bleach and OPM wankers are really bad right now on reddit

Profectus unleashed Pandora's box with his Harvard thesis on hypertimelines in Dragon Ball, because now everyone and their mother are stealing his flow bar for bar