DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Tipper17]

 

[Deidalius]

Mario possessing Super Neo Metal Sonic just for Eggman to go Lightman goes hard as **** wtf

 

[Kroneii1]

Among Us will win with the Hololive scaling trust.

That would be peak fiction

 

[Deidalius]

who tf is that random OC fighting Finn? She looks like a deviantt art OC

I see, Eggman knows how much Mario lasts in bed, this clearly means they have had gay sex before.

I can see this episode being one of two ways, either something shockingly good like aquabob or popeye vs Saitama, or something really unfunny like machoaids

Truee, I pray this episode doesn't end up sucking hard like that sad attempt at comedy.

 

[Deidalius]

Is Bowser Jr as Dark Mario even Super Metal Sonic level? None of Bowser's general feel as strong as Super Sonic except Bowser.

Did I see Jerma?

Yes

Among Us will win with the Hololive scaling trust.

I have an Oomfie that scales Hololive to like, 5D to High Outerversal, pretty sure. I don't know if he is capping either, I don't want to read Vtuber lore to find out. But at least the "Goddess that embodies space and spatial dimensions" bit seems true, he's probably right.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

This is one of the fights that I am fine with either winning. Both GOATs

 

[Tipper17]

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Jaden, kill this fraud!

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

I have an Oomfie that scales Hololive to like, 5D to High Outerversal, pretty sure. I don't know if he is capping either, I don't want to read Vtuber lore to find out. But at least the "Goddess that embodies space and spatial dimensions" bit seems true, he's probably right.

All that to be default danced on

 

[Imaginym]

Jaden, kill this fraud!

Sadly, we scale Alien X to 1-B currently.

Probably explained somehow here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ben_10_Cosmology

Also, something something 5-D Contumelians, 26-D Chrono Navigator, Alien X is the most powerful, etc.

Looking at the scaling chain:

Ben 10

For detailed information about this franchise, visit the Ben 10 Wiki. Ben 10 is a cartoon series created by Man of Action and Cartoon Network. Four series (Ben 10, Ben 10: Alien Force, Ben 10: Ultimate Alien and Ben 10: Omniverse) exist as well as several movies. The series follows the...

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• Original Series & Omniverse Flashback Era characters scale to 318.32 Zettatons (5-B) Planet level Via downscaling from OS Vilgax who's 1/10th of his UAF self.
• Alien Force, Ultimate Alien and Omniverse era characters scale to 3.1832 Yottatons (5-B) Planet level+ via scaling to Humungousaur who's 1/10th of his Ultimate Form.
• Characters that scale to Ultimate Aggregor scales to the combined power and durability of Aggregor, Ra'ad, Galapagus, P'andor, Bivalvan and Andreas via Ultimate Aggregor being a combination of all of them, reaching 19.0991 Yottatons (5-A)
• Characters that scale to Ultimate Kevin scale to 31.832 Yottatons (5-A) due to Ultimate Kevin being composed of 1/10th of the combined power of the entire active playlist of the Ultimatrix at the time, including Way Big and every Ultimate Form used so far and also having 1/10th of Ultimate Aggregor's power.
• Omniverse Kevin 11 is at least 17x Classic characters for his AP 5.4114 Yottatons (5-A) as he visually has the powers of at least seven combat-applicable Aliens. However he also has at least 19x Durability based on him having Ball Weevil and The Worst’s powers, 6.048 Yottatons (5-A) and the scaling chain follows.
• Ascalon, scaling above Galvan weaponry, which further scales above Highbreed weaponry, places it above the destructive capacity of Element X (capable of destroying a solar system) and the Entropy Pump (capable of annihilating reality across several light years), reaching levels well beyond 29.23 Foe (4-B), possibly approaching 20.08 TeraFoe (4-A) due to its scaling above Incursions weaponry, which possesses the ability to gradually/over time destroy a galaxy.

Fun.

Planet Level Human Base Ben. (Except in original series, where we still have him at 10-B.)

Meanwhile, the Elemental HEROes are currently 7-B via Storm Scaling, except for Neos, who is 2-C who scales to Yubel because 12-Dimension fusing, IIRC.
Maybe by Death Battle's logic, they'd have a chance against Ben.

But by our logic?
So as long as it's Ben from like, Alien Force onwards or such, by our logic, he can run up to Elemental HERO Flame Wingman as a human & one-shot him with a single punch.

& going alien doesn't change the tiering much, even if he is supposedly stronger?
But he'll still have to go Alien X for Neos & Yubel.

....Unless Ben uses the Omnitrix's self-destruction mode.
Or has Absorbed Dagon's power.
Or has the Celestialsapien Arm.

Once again, fun.

Freaking Alien X, centralizing & tier inflating all of the Ben 10 matchups.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Damn, would’ve been funny if Ben got packed up by a dude with cards

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

It's worse, he never used the real Phantom Ruby, was beaten by base Sonic (who spent six months in jail), never use's his phantom clones to jump Sonic nor the OC past the first cutscene and wasn't even final boss worthy but sure let's take a dubious promo statement about him being the "strongest opponent Sonic has fought thus far" at face value because Forces it totally well known for not using false advertising or misleading expectations /s.


No mention of the lazer beam feat likely being saved for the full episode, pretty sus overall.

Infinite such a fraud not even Sonic supporters wanna rep him

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

I see, Eggman knows how much Mario lasts in bed, this clearly means they have had gay sex before

Either that or Eggman is into cuckolding

 

[TMaakkonen]

I see, Eggman knows how much Mario lasts in bed, this clearly means they have had gay sex before.

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

Sadly, we scale Alien X to 1-B currently.

Probably explained somehow here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ben_10_Cosmology

Also, something something 5-D Contumelians, 26-D Chrono Navigator, Alien X is the most powerful, etc.

Looking at the scaling chain:

Ben 10

For detailed information about this franchise, visit the Ben 10 Wiki. Ben 10 is a cartoon series created by Man of Action and Cartoon Network. Four series (Ben 10, Ben 10: Alien Force, Ben 10: Ultimate Alien and Ben 10: Omniverse) exist as well as several movies. The series follows the...

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• Original Series & Omniverse Flashback Era characters scale to 318.32 Zettatons (5-B) Planet level Via downscaling from OS Vilgax who's 1/10th of his UAF self.
• Alien Force, Ultimate Alien and Omniverse era characters scale to 3.1832 Yottatons (5-B) Planet level+ via scaling to Humungousaur who's 1/10th of his Ultimate Form.
• Characters that scale to Ultimate Aggregor scales to the combined power and durability of Aggregor, Ra'ad, Galapagus, P'andor, Bivalvan and Andreas via Ultimate Aggregor being a combination of all of them, reaching 19.0991 Yottatons (5-A)
• Characters that scale to Ultimate Kevin scale to 31.832 Yottatons (5-A) due to Ultimate Kevin being composed of 1/10th of the combined power of the entire active playlist of the Ultimatrix at the time, including Way Big and every Ultimate Form used so far and also having 1/10th of Ultimate Aggregor's power.
• Omniverse Kevin 11 is at least 17x Classic characters for his AP 5.4114 Yottatons (5-A) as he visually has the powers of at least seven combat-applicable Aliens. However he also has at least 19x Durability based on him having Ball Weevil and The Worst’s powers, 6.048 Yottatons (5-A) and the scaling chain follows.
• Ascalon, scaling above Galvan weaponry, which further scales above Highbreed weaponry, places it above the destructive capacity of Element X (capable of destroying a solar system) and the Entropy Pump (capable of annihilating reality across several light years), reaching levels well beyond 29.23 Foe (4-B), possibly approaching 20.08 TeraFoe (4-A) due to its scaling above Incursions weaponry, which possesses the ability to gradually/over time destroy a galaxy.

Fun.

Planet Level Human Base Ben. (Except in original series, where we still have him at 10-B.)

Meanwhile, the Elemental HEROes are currently 7-B via Storm Scaling, except for Neos, who is 2-C who scales to Yubel because 12-Dimension fusing, IIRC.
Maybe by Death Battle's logic, they'd have a chance against Ben.

But by our logic?
So as long as it's Ben from like, Alien Force onwards or such, by our logic, he can run up to Elemental Hero Flame Wingman as a human & one-shot him with a single punch.

& going alien doesn't change the tiering much, even if he is supposedly stronger?
But he'll still have to go Alien X for Neos & Yubel.

....Unless Ben uses the Omnitrix's self-destruction mode.
Or has Absorbed Dagon's power.
Or has the Celestialsapien Arm.

Once again, fun.

Freaking Alien X, centralizing & tier inflating all of the Ben 10 matchups.

All this just to still be a DC Herald victim.

 

[SlendVeny]

Sadly, we scale Alien X to 1-B currently.

Probably explained somehow here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ben_10_Cosmology

Also, something something 5-D Contumelians, 26-D Chrono Navigator, Alien X is the most powerful, etc.

Looking at the scaling chain:

Ben 10

For detailed information about this franchise, visit the Ben 10 Wiki. Ben 10 is a cartoon series created by Man of Action and Cartoon Network. Four series (Ben 10, Ben 10: Alien Force, Ben 10: Ultimate Alien and Ben 10: Omniverse) exist as well as several movies. The series follows the...

vsbattles.fandom.com

• Original Series & Omniverse Flashback Era characters scale to 318.32 Zettatons (5-B) Planet level Via downscaling from OS Vilgax who's 1/10th of his UAF self.
• Alien Force, Ultimate Alien and Omniverse era characters scale to 3.1832 Yottatons (5-B) Planet level+ via scaling to Humungousaur who's 1/10th of his Ultimate Form.
• Characters that scale to Ultimate Aggregor scales to the combined power and durability of Aggregor, Ra'ad, Galapagus, P'andor, Bivalvan and Andreas via Ultimate Aggregor being a combination of all of them, reaching 19.0991 Yottatons (5-A)
• Characters that scale to Ultimate Kevin scale to 31.832 Yottatons (5-A) due to Ultimate Kevin being composed of 1/10th of the combined power of the entire active playlist of the Ultimatrix at the time, including Way Big and every Ultimate Form used so far and also having 1/10th of Ultimate Aggregor's power.
• Omniverse Kevin 11 is at least 17x Classic characters for his AP 5.4114 Yottatons (5-A) as he visually has the powers of at least seven combat-applicable Aliens. However he also has at least 19x Durability based on him having Ball Weevil and The Worst’s powers, 6.048 Yottatons (5-A) and the scaling chain follows.
• Ascalon, scaling above Galvan weaponry, which further scales above Highbreed weaponry, places it above the destructive capacity of Element X (capable of destroying a solar system) and the Entropy Pump (capable of annihilating reality across several light years), reaching levels well beyond 29.23 Foe (4-B), possibly approaching 20.08 TeraFoe (4-A) due to its scaling above Incursions weaponry, which possesses the ability to gradually/over time destroy a galaxy.

Fun.

Planet Level Human Base Ben. (Except in original series, where we still have him at 10-B.)

Meanwhile, the Elemental HEROes are currently 7-B via Storm Scaling, except for Neos, who is 2-C who scales to Yubel because 12-Dimension fusing, IIRC.
Maybe by Death Battle's logic, they'd have a chance against Ben.

But by our logic?
So as long as it's Ben from like, Alien Force onwards or such, by our logic, he can run up to Elemental Hero Flame Wingman as a human & one-shot him with a single punch.

& going alien doesn't change the tiering much, even if he is supposedly stronger?
But he'll still have to go Alien X for Neos & Yubel.

....Unless Ben uses the Omnitrix's self-destruction mode.
Or has Absorbed Dagon's power.
Or has the Celestialsapien Arm.

Once again, fun.

Freaking Alien X, centralizing & tier inflating all of the Ben 10 matchups.

Feedback >>>

 

[TMaakkonen]

Ben losing to card game sure would be something.

 

[Imaginym]

Damn, would’ve been funny if Ben got packed up by a dude with cards

Ben losing to card game sure would be something.

I mean, it still IS very possible, arguably.

Death Battle rules, IIRC, say the match doesn't end until the combatants have used their strongest form(s). Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if we ignore this so that Ben doesn't have to (As in, isn't required by the rules.) to use Alien X, then Neos &/or Yubel can handle him.

It helps that Ben has been cautious about using Alien X before either because of getting locked in debate or Alien X's sheer amount of power being dangerous to access.

Heck, Ben might be Planet Level in base, but....

Jaden Yuki

Jaden Yuki, known as Judai Yuki in the Japanese version, is the main protagonist of Yu-Gi-Oh! GX and the reincarnation of The Supreme King. At the end of the third season, he fused his soul with Yubel, his favorite card from childhood, with the use of Super Polymerization to purge her from the...

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Tier: 10-B | 10-B, 2-C after merging with Yubel's soul

Key: Season 1-3 Jaden | Season 4 and onwards (with Yubel´s Soul)

Striking Strength: Human level | Low Multiverse level

Random tangent, as you may remember, there's technically FOUR kinds of offensive output:
1. Environmental Destruction, which is widespread destruction of environments, weather, etc. Doesn't always scale to other Statistics.
2. Destructive Capacity, which is how much damage that can be produced; Not everyone who's building level can one-punch a building to smithereens.
3. Attack Potency is what yield of offensive energy you can output via any means, be that with basic melee, a firearm, a magic staff, an energy blast, etc.
4. Striking Strength, which is purely physical hitting, unlike Attack Potency, which can be a variety of kinds of output.

Jaden has Low 2-C Striking Strength, so....

If it's just Ben vs Jaden, no aliens/cards, Jaden wins.

Ben can one-punch out most of Jaden's Heroes, save Neos (& Neos's Fusions.) as we currently rate them, but Jaden can do the same to anything of Ben's that doesn't scale to Alien X.
(Except maybe Feedback, who has 5-B physically, Varies, at most 1-C, likely 1-B with Energy Absorption.

Also, Reboot Ben 10 is apparently totally separate from Original Ben 10, which includes the original series, Ultimate Alien, Alien Force & Omniverse, as those are all the same Ben.

Ben Tennyson (Reboot)

Ben's the name, turning alien is my game.Ben Benjamin Kirby "Ben" Tennyson was a normal ten-year-old kid until he found the Omnitrix, a powerful watch-like device that allows him to turn into ten different aliens. Though immature and clumsy, he uses the Omnitrix to stop evil, but that doesn't...

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So by that logic, there is a Ben that HASN'T been killed by Hal Jordan already available for Death Battle to sic on someone! A much goofier version of Ben, but he can still get to Moon or even Planet Level!
(No Alien X either!)

(Or wait, did Ben vs Hal DB use Reboot in their Compositing?)

 

[Tots_Real]

who tf is that random OC fighting Finn? She looks like a deviantt art OC

That is Knives from Scott Pilgrim. Which I guess I can see the thematic in some round about way.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Characters with multiple appearances yet no victories

Eggman
Lex Luthor
Darth Vader
Mega Man
Hulk
Captain Marvel

Son Gokū is also apart of this, though his loses were against the same person unlike the ones above him
Charizard also has no wins, though the ones in the episodes can be considered two different characters
Tommy Oliver appeared as a main part in the episodes he lost in, but it was mechs that they were accounting for

 

[Kroneii1]

But at least the "Goddess that embodies space and spatial dimensions" bit seems true, he's probably right.

There is sana, she is the concept of space in the universe, dimensionality and physics, and space is infinite in lore, so it can make sense.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[SlendVeny]

I mean, it still IS very possible, arguably.

Death Battle rules, IIRC, say the match doesn't end until the combatants have used their strongest form(s). Correct me if I'm wrong.

But if we ignore this so that Ben doesn't have to (As in, isn't required by the rules.) to use Alien X, then Neos &/or Yubel can handle him.

It helps that Ben has been cautious about using Alien X before either because of getting locked in debate or Alien X's sheer amount of power being dangerous to access.

The Omnitrix failsafe automatically transforms him into an ideal form if his life is in danger.

Jaden has Low 2-C Striking Strength, so....

If it's just Ben vs Jaden, no aliens/cards, Jaden wins.

That is Jaden after he has fused with a card. The rating is not for his 10-B state.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Who's to say other people would accept 1-B Alien X though

 

[Tipper17]

Who's to say other people would accept 1-B Alien X though

^
Nobody even agrees on his stats these days beyond him being above universal

 

[Imaginym]

The Omnitrix failsafe automatically transforms him into an ideal form if his life is in danger.

Would this still apply if it's Ben in circumstances where Alien X access is locked behind something like Ben, Gwen & Kevin's keys, as has been the case in the past?

That is Jaden after he has fused with a card. The rating is not for his 10-B state.

Excuse you. At closest, Yubel is a Duel Spirit.

Heck, chronologically, Yubel was FIRST a human, then underwent a procedure to change from human to "dragon" due to wanting to protect a Prince & the Supreme King to be of that era. That Yubel died trying to prevent a transformation of said Prince, who recognized Yubel's loyalty.
So besides that there's a line of logic where Yubel legitimately counts as human....
Jaden Yuki is the reincarnation of The Supreme King from that history, hence Yubel's loyalty to him.

The modern day Yubel is only a card because 1 was made via Industrial Illusions, & basically every card has a Duel Monsters Spirit (Seemingly indicated by how most can't physically manifest without magic, & also that the Sacred Beasts took power from Duel Monsters Spirits from all around the world.), so Yubel's spirit going into a card isn't exceptional.

Even then, Yubel is functional independent of Yubel's card, which Yubel can play to summon herself into a duel, while still being the duelist, & has won duels without self summonng.

Also, if we're to believe this justification the profile uses is equally indicative of 2-C scaling:

Low Multiverse level after merging with Yubel's soul (Has the Power of the Gentle darkness which is equal to the Light of Destruction and somewhat comparable to Nightshroud to some extent, Has absorbed Yubel into his soul and gained her spirit energy, was stated by Yugi to be the most powerful duelist he's faced which means that his spirit energy is comparable)

Then Jaden should scale even without Yubel, due to him being the reincarnation of The Supreme King, with all of its power, & The Supreme King is specifically The Wielder of the Gentle Darkness, which matches The Light of Destruction, & The Gentle Darkness, the prince/previous incarnation of The Supreme King trained to use, & he was definitely a human.

Arguably supported by Jaden as The Supreme King having access to Super Polymerization as The Supreme King.
AFAIK, cards weren't needed for use of The Gentle Darkness, considering the training to wield it predates cards.

& the Fusion wasn't one that has to be initiated via a duel nor does it expire; After Season 4, Jaden & Yubel's Souls are permanently fused, even when not in duels. It's not a card effect that ends with a duel, so he doesn't need any cards to be 2-C after it's happened, & again, it's his default state as of Season 4 onwards.

Also, the whole point of his Striking Strength being rated at that level means it scales to his physicals & he could strike at that level.

Pardon my ranting, please.

^
Nobody even agrees on his stats these days beyond him being above universal

I mean, by that logic, Jaden should win, since Super Polymerization was going to Fuse/Destroy 12 Universes.

 

[Deidalius]

There is sana, she is the concept of space in the universe, dimensionality and physics, and space is infinite in lore, so it can make sense.

That reminds me of that one fan art post of a fan making a comic about Irys saying she can beat Goku as a joke.

Goku glazers with their infinite fragile ego went and insulted Irys and the people saying she wins.

Looking back on it, Irys probably wins if she scales to Sana.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I know that Yu vs Aiba seems to be the most popular match between them, but I still think that Soma is the better opponent for Yu. It just vibes a lot more, and I can see the climax of the fight being the both of them getting cheered on by their friends. Yu from the Investigation Team + the Dojima's and Marie, Soma from Alucard, Hammer, Yoko, Mina, and Julius. I also think the power of dominance would compare better to the Wildcard ability.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

 

[ZeedKZ]

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

That is Knives from Scott Pilgrim. Which I guess I can see the thematic in some round about way.

Knives gets Shit-stomped wtf is this match up

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

How does Sage (Sonic) vs Ashley (WarioWare) sound?

 

[Imaginym]

That is Knives from Scott Pilgrim. Which I guess I can see the thematic in some round about way.

I'm unfamiliar, & don't know anything of her other than that she's a teen who's a fan of some music band or something, maybe, IIRC.

How does she have a thematic connection to Finn?

 

[koopa3144]

How does Sage (Sonic) vs Ashley (WarioWare) sound?

They match personalities but they don't have any meaningful connections. Would be a cool DBX tho.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Deidalius]

The creators of Among Us noticed the Death Battle lol

And they're saying the crewmates lose to the fall guys because they're bigger... Among us bros, do we cap at human level?!

 

[Fireld]

You're taking it too long