DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Theuser789]

Sage solos by the sounds of it. She might actually be Eggman's biggest lifeline tbh

I heard that Bowser can't even interact with her because of her abstract nature but he still wins anyways because, um... he just DOES!

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Didn't we already realize that when fans kept bitching about the Kickstarter losing $3?

I'm pretty sure that was only a few people, and I'm pretty sure it was $3000 (or more, I can't remember), not $3.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Yes that shit happened during the Aang vs Traveler announcement
Some Peeps were acting as if folks shouldn't have better things to do then donate money to a vs show

What was kind of funny about that was that some people thought the cancelations were because Aang vs Traveler was revealed, but Sam later clarified that it was a coincidence. Several of the big $3000-$5000 donators had scheduling conflicts with being able to attend the Death Battle Live Premiere, which is why they canceled (and Sam said they were working behind the scenes with them to figure stuff out).

That's it. It was all a coincidence.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

What tier is a character if he stops a tornado?

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

What tier is a character if he stops a tornado?

Depends on the size of said tornado, from what I understand.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Depends on the size of said tornado, from what I understand.

What is the lowest to highest end?

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

Did they actually cite a rule or did they just hammer you?

Nah, I just got evaporated.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

What is the lowest to highest end?

Based off the profile here on the wiki? Low ends range from High 8-C to 8-B normally, to 7-C as a higher end.

But again, I guess it depends on the size of said tornado.

 

[Imaginym]

"My people draw power from the sun."

"Sun, huh?"

Wouldn't Omni-Man be scared of them?

He wrote in his book about IIRC, the Ragnars, & the Sun Disk he infamously destroyed was there to block the sun from reaching their planet, the intense gravity of which made the Ragnars strong enough that he barely escaped.

Mind, the Ragnars seemed brutish. Gravity, surprise, numbers & knowledge were probably all their factors. Plus, Nolan could have been fatigued because he seemed to be documenting this stuff for his book independently.

But still. The sun disk is kind of associated with 1 of the few times he nearly got killed, & I think he's expressed some fear of them once before, no?

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

 

[Imaginym]

Hax the character who could probably be argued to resist most, if not all, of Bowser's magic biz. Info manipulation is busted

Does having higher dimensional AP or hax allow one to harm such as her? Her profile calls her 6D.

Her Intangibility might not matter, as Boos can phase through walls & such without going intangible, yet Mario & Bowser can harm them.
When they go Intangible, they can harm them.

Anything that can dispell Intangibility or hit Boos when they're Intangible would add a second layer.

Though I don't recall if stuff like the Star Rod can do that. In Paper Mario 64, it can create a wave that can dispell buffs, but IDK if it can hit Mario when Lady Bow (A Boo) is using Outta Sight to make Mario Intangible.
Mario has this:

• Non-Physical Interaction (2 Layers; Can harm Boos and Cackletta's soul, can revive characters from their Ghost forms which are intangible to even those with Non-Physical Interaction such as Goombas and Koopa Troopas[11])

But IDK if the same applies for Bowser, since he kinda lacks those feats.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Does having higher dimensional AP or hax allow one to harm such as her? Her profile calls her 6D.

Her Intangibility might not matter, as Boos can phase through walls & such without going intangible, yet Mario & Bowser can harm them.
When they go Intangible, they can harm them.

Anything that can dispell Intangibility or hit Boos when they're Intangible would add a second layer.

Though I don't recall if stuff like the Star Rod can do that. In Paper Mario 64, it can create a wave that can dispell buffs, but IDK if it can hit Mario when Lady Bow (A Boo) is using Outta Sight to make Mario Intangible.
Mario has this:

• Non-Physical Interaction (2 Layers; Can harm Boos and Cackletta's soul, can revive characters from their Ghost forms which are intangible to even those with Non-Physical Interaction such as Goombas and Koopa Troopas[11])

But IDK if the same applies for Bowser, since he kinda lacks those feats.

Don't know how all of Sage's stuff works since I'm not THAT familiar with all the Sonic stuff. But on the intangibility aspect Sonic has like 3 enhancements on his non-physical interactions so I wouldn't be surprised if Sage had a similar level of layers, if not more

 

[Imaginym]

Don't know how all of Sage's stuff works since I'm not THAT familiar with all the Sonic stuff. But on the intangibility aspect Sonic has like 3 enhancements on his non-physical interactions so I wouldn't be surprised if Sage had a similar level of layers, if not more

How so?

 

[Tipper17]

The ****

 

[Theuser789]

Does having higher dimensional AP or hax allow one to harm such as her? Her profile calls her 6D.

Her Intangibility might not matter, as Boos can phase through walls & such without going intangible, yet Mario & Bowser can harm them.
When they go Intangible, they can harm them.

Anything that can dispell Intangibility or hit Boos when they're Intangible would add a second layer.

Though I don't recall if stuff like the Star Rod can do that. In Paper Mario 64, it can create a wave that can dispell buffs, but IDK if it can hit Mario when Lady Bow (A Boo) is using Outta Sight to make Mario Intangible.
Mario has this:

• Non-Physical Interaction (2 Layers; Can harm Boos and Cackletta's soul, can revive characters from their Ghost forms which are intangible to even those with Non-Physical Interaction such as Goombas and Koopa Troopas[11])

But IDK if the same applies for Bowser, since he kinda lacks those feats.

Sage is only 6D with Supreme, and her intangibility is layered to the Cyber Space ghosts. I am pretty sure there's a CRT that makes Cyber Space ghosts super intangible or smth.

 

[Imaginym]

Sage is only 6D with Supreme, and her intangibility is layered to the Cyber Space ghosts. I am pretty sure there's a CRT that makes Cyber Space ghosts super non-intangible or smth.

If anyone could find the details, I'd like to know, please. I'm interested.

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Sage is only 6D with Supreme, and her intangibility is layered to the Cyber Space ghosts. I am pretty sure there's a CRT that makes Cyber Space ghosts super non-intangible or smth.

So... tangible?

 

[JJSliderman]

Basically

Standard ghosts < Cyber space beings in terms of levels of intangibility, as Sonic can touch the former but not the latter

I forget where it was said Sage was intangible even to CS beings but if it exists then whack on a third layer for Sage, who can trap second layer intangibles with cages.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

How so?

Classic Sonic can interact with Ghosts, Werehog is considered an enhanced version, Sonic Colors Base Form gets more enhanced, and then Super Sonic enhanced it again

 

[Theuser789]

If anyone could find the details, I'd like to know, please. I'm interested.

There's also the fact the Ancient's souls, thoughts and memories are inside Cyberspace, as well as Cyberspace being made of information itself and Sage being part of it

Cyber Space

Cyber Space (サイバースペース, Saibāsupēsu) is a digital dimension constructed thousands of years ago by an advanced alien civilization known as the Ancients, created by the Chaos Emeralds and running off of their power. It's purpose was primarily to preserve the legacy of their race in the face of...

vsbattles.fandom.com

This is going to be explained in the future Chaos Energy page iirc.

 

[Imaginym]

Basically

Standard ghosts < Cyber space beings in terms of levels of intangibility, as Sonic can touch the former but not the latter

I forget where it was said Sage was intangible even to CS beings but if it exists then whack on a third layer for Sage, who can trap second layer intangibles with cages.

She should probably get scans of this on her profile. Notable NPI.

If my memory serves, there is the Star Beam, which the 7 Star Spirits can do.

It can negate Intangibility that Magikoopas & Gray Magikoopas can grant to other enemies.

But Bowser's Star Rod's Star Wave, IIRC, cannot dispell Intangibility from Lady Bow. So:

A. Lady Bow is better than what other Boos can do, as there's no Boo enemies in PM64....
B. Lady Bow is better than what other Magikoopas can do, as there's no Boo enemies in PM64 & only Magikoopas can make other enemies Intangible....
C. Both A & B.

FWIW, although there are no Boos, there are enemies like Embers (Elemental Intangibility.) & Duplighosts in PM64, which can copy Lady Bow's form.
Gray Magikoopas can then make those Duplighost Lady Bows Intangible.
So the Star Beam should be able to Negate 2 layers of Intangibility, assuming Lady Bow has Standard Boo Intangibility & Duplighosts can copy that by turning into copies of Lady Bow.
Since they copy Watt's Electrical nature (Mario will be electrocuted on contact with her, & IIRC, Electric attacks won't work on Duplighost Watt nor Lakilester.
(No, they don't use Outta Sight while copying Lady Bow, but no Duplighost copies don't use anything other than basic attacks... except as Goombario where they can use Tattle.) They also copy Bombette's automatic exploding if affected by Fire, Electricity or other Explosions, so they do seem to copy physical properties.

There is the case that Bowser's Star Rod-powered Invincible form can't be dispelled by even the Star Beam, which can dispell Intangibility.

Since the Star Rod had to be upgraded to the Peach Beam with the help of Peach & Twink, the case could be made that it's on par with pre-Peach Beam Star Beam.
(Even though the Star Rod wave move that dispells other buffs can't hit Mario when he's Intangible via Lady Bow or Repel Gel; But this could be Game Mechanics, as those states prevent ANYTHING hitting Mario & co., period. Like, IIRC, the Star Beam negating Intangibility is the only exception & understandably by design, since it was designed to Power Nullify.)

....Even though the Star Rod is only ever used for Invulnerability rather than Intangibility. MAYBE the case could be made the Star Rod's Invulnerability is on par with how "layeredly powerful" the Star Beam/Peach Beam is? IIRC, the Star Spirits created the Star Rod, so they presumably use the same kind of power source.


Technically, there's the Allergic status in TTYD.... But only the Shadow Queen (& consumption of Space Food.) can inflict it, & I don't think Bowser has Space Food. (Maybe in SPM, but it isn't known to apply Allergic there, & it'd be OoC for him to try to force feed it to someone.

The mental image of Bowser just... throwing a cartoon snack bar at Sage, & it phases through her as she looks on all nonplussed is hilarious to me.
"Creature. I do not eat."

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

Bowser VS Eggman is one of those matchups that is truly a 50/50 game in both stats and hax, too bad the research for this was already completed last year and there will be no more addendums and Ultraguy has some…takes regarding Sonic scaling to say the least.

That is to say, please don’t be 2 minutes long. I will unironically crash out if this shit that was hyped up to high heavens turns out only to be less than the length to takes to microwave a cup of instant ramen.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

That is to say, please don’t be 2 minutes long. I will unironically crash out if this shit that was hyped up to high heavens turns out only to be less than the length to takes to microwave a cup of instant ramen.

Instructions unclear, Sage and Jr nuked each other's army in the first 20 seconds of the fight

 

[Imaginym]

Instructions unclear, Sage and Jr nuked each other's army in the first 20 seconds of the fight

"Sage, just because you have "microwave a cup of instant ramen" in your context window & I always say microwaves 'nuke' my food doesn't mean you had to NUKE the enemy army! ...I wanted to torture some of them first...." - Eggman, IDK.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

"Sage, just because you have "microwave a cup of instant ramen" in your context window & I always say microwaves 'nuke' my food doesn't mean you had to NUKE the enemy army! ...I wanted to torture some of them first...." - Eggman, IDK.

"Jr... you're supposed to monologue  before using your powers.... NOT WHEN THE ENEMY IS ALREADY GONE!" - Bowser, IDK

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Bowser VS Eggman is one of those matchups that is truly a 50/50 game in both stats and hax, too bad the research for this was already completed last year and there will be no more addendums and Ultraguy has some…takes regarding Sonic scaling to say the least.

The way I look at it? Death Battle, regardless of what some people may say, isn't the end "case closed, end of story" type of series that isn't meant to one hundred percent objectively say who wins in a fight. There are matches that are unquestionably clear cut, but matches like Bowser vs Eggman are the type that can truly never have an objective answer to it because you can argue for both characters.

So the bottom line is: regardless of who ends up winning on the 17th, I wouldn't treat it as the book shut end of the discussion. And if it conflicts with what we scale them to, just accept it as differences in perspective.

 

[Theuser789]

I wonder if Lightman will even be in. The Otherworld Comedy story only finished around December 2023. It might've been too late for the Death Battle.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I wonder if Lightman will even be in. The Otherworld Comedy story only finished around December 2023. It might've been too late for the Death Battle.

Well it will be interesting to see them give Eggman the Time Eater while Bowser gets the Dream Stone and the Pure Hearts.

Not going to lie: this may be due to my ignorance on the actual process of how Death Battle makes their episodes, but it's kind of weird to say that research has been finalized and there won't be any corrections or additions to the mix. I don't know, I just don't want to come into the episode to see things which are wrong about both Bowser and Eggman because they couldn't make corrections.

 

[Tipper17]

I wonder if Lightman will even be in. The Otherworld Comedy story only finished around December 2023. It might've been too late for the Death Battle.

Prob not I reckon

The way I look at it? Death Battle, regardless of what some people may say, isn't the end "case closed, end of story" type of series that isn't meant to one hundred percent objectively say who wins in a fight. There are matches that are unquestionably clear cut, but matches like Bowser vs Eggman are the type that can truly never have an objective answer to it because you can argue for both characters.

So the bottom line is: regardless of who ends up winning on the 17th, I wouldn't treat it as the book shut end of the discussion. And if it conflicts with what we scale them to, just accept it as differences in perspective.

I mean majority disagree with OmniDock so yeah

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Not going to lie: this may be due to my ignorance on the actual process of how Death Battle makes their episodes, but it's kind of weird to say that research has been finalized and there won't be any corrections or additions to the mix. I don't know, I just don't want to come into the episode to see things which are wrong about both Bowser and Eggman because they couldn't make corrections.

Only example I know of them doing last minute changes was during Gojo vs Makima due to JJK just having the most important fight for the argument occuring and finished. IIRC they had Gojo winning anyway but they added some of the more recent stuff in some last minute edits

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I mean majority disagree with OmniDock so yeah

I mean I would hope that the vast majority would disagree with OmniDock, that episode's research....well I don't think I need to say why that sucked, many people have gone into detail as to why the research of that episode sucks.

Still, I think the only people who would agree with the research of OmniDock are bootlickers.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Honestly, I can't wait for Lupin vs Sly to happen just so I can pull out some random niche thing Death Battle didn't include in the fight that says Lupin giga-stomps

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Man, I love the new stanford feat where he saved the town from bill in that alternate universe

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

The next DB Cast will be discussing Metal Sonic vs Cell. Can't wait to hear what they say.

 

[Tipper17]

The next DB Cast will be discussing Metal Sonic vs Cell. Can't wait to hear what they say.

 

[Theuser789]

The next DB Cast will be discussing Metal Sonic vs Cell. Can't wait to hear what they say.

FEB+Omega's statement in Shadow Gens about Metal being Eggman's only creation on Sonic's level=GG.

 

[Deidalius]

This is the best matchup for both.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Not like they had any better matches, all of Metal Sonic and Cell's other MUs are also dog shit.

FEB+Omega's statement in Shadow Gens about Metal being Eggman's only creation on Sonic's level=GG.

Does DB buy FEB scaling? Just curious, because it determines if Metal stands a chance or not.

 

[Theuser789]

Does DB buy FEB scaling? Just curious, because it determines if Metal stands a chance or not.

Idk but scaling at least Overlord stronger than it is pretty easy. Hell, even modern Neo scaling above it is easy.

 

[Tipper17]

Not like they had any better matches, all of Metal Sonic and Cell's other MUs are also dog shit.

Doesn't make it better m8