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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

AcidSilver said:
I wonder which fights they're gonna choose to be in the 2025 season and which we'll have to wait until 2026. Obviously they won't just use all of the most wanted matchups all at once but I do wonder how long we'd have to wait for something like Gru vs Megamind considering each of those matchup goals also included one unknown fight alongside the announced ones.
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I hope Asura vs Kratos is in 2025. My most anticipated fight.

I joke about it, but I really don't care who wins as long as the fight is gas. Both of them are great characters, Asura is just my favorite between the two.
 
All this Joker talk makes me wanna replay P5. Maybe if that Adachi mod got ported off of the RPCS3 version, I'll give it a go.
 
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ZeNoviceArtist said:
Evil government workers.
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What are we considering to be the 'government' of Dragon Ball's wider universe (Universe 7, I mean)? The Galactic Patrol? The Frieza Force itself? I guess Frieza did pay Cheelai and Lemo in Pol (currency in Universe 7 for everywhere outside of Earth), so there must be some kind of governmental body in charge of that.
 
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ShawnFaux said:
All this Joker talk makes me wanna replay P5. Maybe if that Adachi mod got ported off of the RPCS3 version, I'll give it a go.
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Imagine actually PLAYING through all that slog. Real men get all their SMT/Persona information from memes and pornography and fill in the blanks with 100% playthroughs on YouTube! (Wait, was that joke already made before?)
 
BlackDarkness679 said:
Myeah unfortunately if roles arent swapped in these sort of scenarios, they wont be bothered, females get more attention then males when it comes to sensitive topics

Like males can be made for fan service, but not females, if a shota in animanga is teased by older girls its not infuriating like a loli teases by older boys or you cant do stuff like "shut up you are a woman" but the opposite isnt as crazy or that men cant cry and have a rough life to struggle comparable to a woman in these sort of stuff

You would think after females were given equal rights it would be equality in medias of about all sorts
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It is what it is.
 
Gyra1524 said:
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I agree with the sentiment, but I feel like Goku vs Superman 3 is a bad example because I can't say I've met a single person who doesn't like that episode. There's 100% people out there who do hate it, there always is, but they're such a small minority that it's practically irrelevant. Even I, the biggest Goku fanboy there is (though more so in terms of his character than his power), can't hate on it.

Even Goku's death in that fight is the most respectful one they could have possibly given him, it's practically off screen.
 
ShawnFaux said:
I agree with the sentiment, but I feel like Goku vs Superman 3 is a bad example because I can't say I've met a single person who doesn't like that episode. There's 100% people out there who do hate it, there always is, but they're such a small minority that it's practically irrelevant. Even I, the biggest Goku fanboy there is (though more so in terms of his character than his power), can't hate on it.

Even Goku's death in that fight is the most respectful one they could have possibly given him, it's practically off screen.
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Yeah the fight itself is absolutely incredible.

It also helps that GVS3 actually gave competent reasoning for the outcome. The first one had the most disgusting downplay for Goku ever (such as unironically claiming he can't scale to people he beat like Frieza). The second one just pulled a NLF and said Superman wins cause that's the point of his character. The third one presented definitive Superman feats, and even though I personally think those were kinda outliers for Superman, they also used the highest end shit for Goku so I can't say they weren't fair at least.

If anything the fact that they were able to (finally) do Goku vs Superman well makes their awful handling of Bardock vs Omni-Man that much more painful to watch. They have no excuse now.
 
Ryukama said:
It also helps that GVS3 actually gave competent reasoning for the outcome. The first one had the most disgusting downplay for Goku ever (like unironically claiming he can't scale to people he beat like Frieza). The second one just pulled a NLF and said Superman wins cause that's the point of his character.
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Yeah like if you're a Dragon Ball fan and you still come out of that episode thinking, "Death Battles hates Goku and/or Dragon Ball", then you're just beyond help. I haven't seen it in awhile, but didn't they say in the episode that Goku still does beat a lot of different versions of Superman, even if he can't beat the main man, himself? If that's not respect (bordering on glazing), then I don't know what is.
 
ShawnFaux said:
Yeah like if you're a Dragon Ball fan and you still come out of that episode thinking, "Death Battles hates Goku and/or Dragon Ball", then you're just beyond help.
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Tbh, my opinion has been (since around Vegeta vs Thor and earlier to 18 vs Captain Marvel) that DB likes Dragon Ball, but that the research into it is... iffy a lot of the time.

Although that's also a symptom of how I think DB is with a lot of verses. Not that I fully blame them since they have to tackle a lot of them (albeit stuff like Bardock vs Omni-man they have little excuse).
 
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DB has been going for so long now, that all implications are just bad.

Is DB just stupid? Yeah, early seasons had a lot of bad DBZ stuff, I even forgot they didnt fully scale Goku to planet bust feats lmao. 18 stuff was real embarrassing yadda yadda. I know I shouldnt have had that much respect for DB's research but I had some. Its really hard to actually analyze hundreds of different characters and hundreds of verses. I couldnt do it. But I always felt they were improving, even if they went wank route. Some spotty stuff in S10 was there, but analysis in OmniBardock is a massive downgrade and made that bad starting trend a permanent fixture. Unironically you could justify that whoever DB team likes will win, research was that stupid.

Does DB hate DBZ? I dont think Ben & Chad and most of team truly hate DBZ but frankly there has to be some resentment. The fact that Speedy went "well actually King Piccolo struggled to destroy a city" says a lot. And I am utterly fascinated by Ultraguy. The guy read basically all of DBZ including spinoff material. He might have spent years researching all of these. Yet despite that most people here would not want him to research DBZ let alone touch. Thats extremely harsh, damn. These guys read and have posted on these threads. What the hell do they think when they see the massive criticism these threads give? He was so confident supposedly on Bardock's stats, but people bitch about lowballed AP and even wanked speed and Great Ape usage. A lot of negativity. Even supposed love letter of GogetaVegito just didnt land. A boring same verse match thats nigh mirror match in a season that had a lot of new verse debuts was bad idea. Even the fight is really nothing special, they couldnt create special set pieces due to both of them being same verse. DBS vs DBGT might have had more debate too.

Are DB biased? Frankly, the fact that Lich King's shared feat was divided but Nolan's shared feat wasnt is dumb founding. Even if they arent biased against DBZ, they glazed Nolan too hard. Research was so bad I cant actually deny favoritism. The reasoning for not dividing was really that bad.

Quite frankly Im now curious to check are there other verses that get treated as bad as DBZ. I already said Naruto is treated worse, but are there others? I feel like SF, but frankly that verse suffers from early season research. I guess Sonic considering resent trends here lol
 
TMaakkonen said:
And I am utterly fascinated by Ultraguy. The guy read basically all of DBZ including spinoff material. He might have spent years researching all of these. Yet despite that most people here would not want him to research DBZ let alone touch. Thats extremely harsh, damn. These guys read and have posted on these threads. What the hell do they think when they see the massive criticism these threads give?
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I have a (admittedly unfair) bias against him for using Saiyan Beyond God twice and for not scaling Vegeta to Broly. Neither of which change results, but Saiyan Beyond God is an asinine thing to use and the Vegeta thing was already blatant in Manga.

Also the LotR stuff, which while largely good and was very useful for links, had them miss footnotes to things that outright state immeasurable speed (among other things).

He's good, but for me at least, it's these small things that rub me the wrong way. But I am admittedly in the wrong for being overly biased.
 
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