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Same way dragon ball in Z has low ass travel speed, but reactions are far far higher
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Yeah but you should have some level of movement speed from reaction speed, no? If you can react, then surely your legs can react as well. And MFTL+ even is such a big thing, that surely youd have some supernatural movement speed too.
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Superhuman with MFTL reactions is a thing
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Honestly, how do people even get to that conclusion?
The speed of the dog sled is obviously that of the dogs, not Kratos, no?
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The point is that there is no need for sled if Kratos is faster than it since they count movement as same as reaction.
In fiction sure, but surely MFTL reactions would realistically also mean supernatural movement speed too?
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Depends.
Involuntary reflexes in humans can reach up to 320 mph, or 143.05 m/s (0.42 Mach).
So, using this Wiki's 5 m/s for Human's baseline, the maximum between reactions and base speed is x28.61.
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I mean a pilot for racing cars or fighting jets needs you to have fast reactions, but clearly they wont be able to run as fast as that
Also how a runner wont be reacting to fast movements coming its way as the above mentioned, some people arent suited for certain things simply
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Yeah, for humans that might be possible. It wouldnt work for Kratos. Then again its fiction, so it just can work like that ig. A lot of people just absolutely hate MFTL+ reaction speed Kratos because to some extent it will affect on they perceive him and thus they cant give him reaction speeds without giving him movement speed too.
Yes, but do I need to say the gap between cars & planes and MFTL+/Infinite speeds lol
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Well it was just an example, just because kratos can hit as fast as mftl or infinite in speed, doesnt mean he can run as fast as that
Only Hermes was moving on foot like that and was cuz he is a speedster, its the point of these characters
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Kratos does have abnormal movement speed it's not like his maximum running speed is the same as any human. Infact there is a short story that takes place before 2018 where Kratos is described as moving with "impossible speed" while carrying Atreus before slowing down once he notices Atreus waking up.
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Even if you don't buy Infinite/MFTL+ Speed, do they realize Kratos its still capable to react and dodge light beams and lightning bolts?
That would prove that his combat/reaction speed far higher than his travel speed, and this isn't lore its happen during freaking gameplay and cutscenes.
Unless they also can't accept FTL/Massively Hypersonic+ for Kratos, but at that point they are clearly downplay him and their opinions shouldn't be considered.
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People are simply too fixated to count travel speed and reaction speed on kratos
Should jojo characters not be mftl cuz they run slow yet they are fast enough to call their stands to fight at previously mentioned speeds? Should Hulk and Doomsday not be scaling to keeping up with mftl characters cuz they arent running or flying as fast as them despite having no issue in combat?
Should jojo characters not be mftl cuz they run slow yet they are fast enough to call their stands to fight at previously mentioned speeds? Should Hulk and Doomsday not be scaling to keeping up with mftl characters cuz they arent running or flying as fast as them despite having no issue in combat?
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MFTL+ is 1000x faster than lightspeed at minimum, it doesnt matter if Kratos has other speed feats like lightning dodging. Hell, his best movement speed is flying to Mt. Olympus in few mins, which is still thousands of KMs in few mins, while just lightspeed is flying to sun in 7 secs or so. And no, some novelization using "impossible speeds" is not that good evidence.
This is why huge portion of VS fans disagrees with Kratos' stats. And why they are likely hypocrites because this an issue with basically everyone who is FTL if we are honest :V
This is why huge portion of VS fans disagrees with Kratos' stats. And why they are likely hypocrites because this an issue with basically everyone who is FTL if we are honest :V
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Hypocrisy in vs debating aint anything new in general
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Absolutely, I actually read Immortal Hulk, he managed to land a hit against Thor, but Captain America & Black Panther were able to dodge & block his attacks. Now I know the reason for this is meta, Thor is strong enough to withstand hits and then he can say Hulk is stronger than ever, but if we actually took this into serious consideration, the speed scaling would be completely ******.
But even then the real point is, a lot of VS folks are a-ok to give this a pass. Comics duo are able to get a pass. Kratos is not a character who gets a pass. There is no short-term fix to this.
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There are so many instances of Kratos or his opponents reacting to light based attacks that using the movement speed to downplay his combat speed becomes disingenuous. So for example in the Norse games the light and dark elves, which are some of the most common fodder enemies, use light based attacks which can easily be dodged and blocked. In Chains of Olympus which is a prequel to GoW 2005 you have Persephone blocking a beam of light fired by Kratos in a scripted event. In GoW III there's the famous Hermes dodging Helios' light feat and Hercules blocking the same attacks.
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Fiction. As someone who isn't really fully sold on infinite speed Kratos, that isn't really a point against infinite speed in of itself because fiction is stupid
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Also technically the fact that its fiction should also mean that using any real life logic is arguably pointless because it being fiction means anyone can do anything and not make sense :V
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You pedantic mfer you, me, behind the CVS Pharmacy in 5 minutes, get ready
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Some use real life stuff, like fire force counts moving at light speed as stopping time, unlike others who dont
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A 4k upvote virgin vs the 14k upvotes chad? Id like to see you try haha
Anyways VS debating is technically completely broken if we are 100% honest, but as is we have to some leniency and therefore IMO Kratos beating Asura isnt even that unreasonable going by what rules DB has used before and the VS community ******** on it are likely hypocrites because they absolutely allow even dumber shit for meager technicalities.
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I just hope if they use lore on kratos and statements to justify stats and also skyrim vs dark souls existing too for the same thing, they better not backpedal later with future franchises, unless there is good reason to do so
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Your right. I've never lost my virginity. Because I never lose. Even a sex battle.
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These kinds of arguments are so funny to me because it's as if people don't realize you can find instances like this in, like, literally any video game, no matter how busted the character and their Verse is.
Asura is easily MFTL+, yet in gameplay & even in cutscenes at times, he doesn't appear to move any faster than, say, a regular human could, despite the fact he's undeniably far faster than that.
To bring up a similar case, Bayonetta. Literally has infinite speed and casually outspeeds light beams and the like with no effort, yet in gameplay & cutscenes her movement speed can appear to be, again, no more faster than a plain ole' human, despite the fact that it's obviously far beyond that.
It's almost as if game devs have to make compromises like these in order for their games to still be enjoyable for the players while having interesting dynamics in the story/gameplay, rather than them being one-shot fests where you destroy & speedblitz everything with zero effort. But for some reason, that extremely simple concept is so hard for so many to come to terms with, and is also a massive part of the reason why video game characters, typically, get shafted so hard in VS communities.
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Because some people are too dumb or too hard headed to understand and then some wonder why they get called out lacking intelligence
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It's almost as if most authors don't know what infinite/immeasurable speed is and we shouldn't expect them to and should just focus on feats.
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Frankly folks shouldn't be throwing around Infinite/immeasurable speed scaling because no one knows what it even looks like
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People like to combine infinite and immeasurable speeds lol
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We don't really have to know what it looks like though, that's the fun part about fiction.
If a character can somehow do something like traversing the entirety an infinite space in a finite amount of time, regardless of how ridiculous that might sound, then they have infinite speed bottom line. If they can somehow go so fast with their sheer movement that they end up going backwards in time or something with no gimmicks needed, they'd have "Immeasurable" speeds. With that kept in mind, it's not hard to weed out what feats would fall under those particular umbrellas, especially because in reality, feats like that aren't exactly commonplace to begin with, even within some of the strongest fictional verses.
If a character can somehow do something like traversing the entirety an infinite space in a finite amount of time, regardless of how ridiculous that might sound, then they have infinite speed bottom line. If they can somehow go so fast with their sheer movement that they end up going backwards in time or something with no gimmicks needed, they'd have "Immeasurable" speeds. With that kept in mind, it's not hard to weed out what feats would fall under those particular umbrellas, especially because in reality, feats like that aren't exactly commonplace to begin with, even within some of the strongest fictional verses.
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People say its a good thing cuz he ruined for WB money on that division
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I think Kratos has infinite speed reactions because he has the physique.
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You fool! Kratos literally says in canon that godly power does not equal godly physique.
Clearly he has infinite speed reactions because he is a god.
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****** really
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Why though?
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I've seen people who unironically want it to happen. Not entirely sure why, though: is it one of those MUs that's kind of a joke but also not really?
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I dont get why some would want these MUs
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Damn. Thought this was David Zaslav and got my hopes up.
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