I feel like Dormmamu has a better track record against equal foes. I know a lot of the complaints about Raven vs Phoenix were how people disagreed with the level of power they put Trigon on by showing panels of him 'holding his own' when the next panel over was him getting laid out.
Against Hulk and he petrifies him after
Yeah he's thrown hands with Doctor Strange (which while Stephen isn't the most known for his hand-to-hand he knows a good bit) who had to resort to trickery to overcome Dormmamu after that, and Hulk as BlackDarkness pointed out, which ended in the green guy getting frozen.
God I wish they could use this in the official animation
Both the guidebooks that GER appears in have something to say about GER negating abilities, with JoJo-agogo stating that GER has the ability to 'reduce all power to zero' (alongside 'will') and JoJoveller stating that GER negated all of King Crimson's abilities. Unlike with resetting will to zero, GER actually uses this in canon, as it is done in tandem alongside setting actions to zero (GER itself also spouts out that no matter what ability you have, you'll never arrive at the reality that will occur). I see this as saying that you can't use your abilities again once this happens because, that's kinda what nullification/negation entails. And anyways, once Diavolo was effected and reverted by GER, he was incapable of using his abilities to defend himself against GER barrages or within the death loop for that matter. I'm sure having Time Erasure would have been very helpful in stopping yourself from being stabbed lol
Awesome, thanks for the explanation!
Eeeeeerm, are you toxic????? Timeout for you
City level+ tbhAllow me to show you the Mythical High 1-C GER scale:
Within the Thus Spoke Rohan Kishibe: Short Story Collection, there are two notable short stories that speak about the JoJo cosmology, in that it operates based on the 10 or more dimensions supposed by Superstring theory as well M-Theory that encompasses it. These short stories are Blackstar and Censored Equation. Below are some excerpts that show this:
“I don’t care about the $500,000. I want you to tell me what you know. Who the hell is the
Spaghetti Man?”
They stared each other down. Finally, as if he was admitting defeat, Gabriel looked down.
“Do you know about the superstring theory of cosmology?”
“That’s the theory that particles aren’t dots, but more like strings... right?”
“Correct,” Gabriel replied. “When this hypothesis was made, it was concluded that over 10 dimensions would be necessary for superstring theory to be true. The person who’s controlling these Spaghetti Men resides within one of these ten or more dimensions. As we’re limited to the third dimension, our search for this mastermind is incredibly restricted. We’ve been using these beings we call the Spaghetti Men to help us reach that being.”
The information hit him like a brick. Believe it or not, Rohan was willing to admit that he simply didn’t understand this at all. But if there were black holes that looked like humans, the idea of a monster residing in a higher dimension didn’t seem so far-fetched.
After a few moments of hesitation, he said very carefully, “…This equation calculates how to access another dimension.”
“Another dimension, huh?”
I wondered if people who studied mathematics were a bit odd, after all. But Chikamori seemed to be aware that what he’d said could be misinterpreted, because he continued: “You might laugh at me for talking about different dimensions, but nowadays the M-theory, which encompasses the superstring theory, makes it not unlikely for the possibility of other dimensions to exist—”
“Stop, stop! Can we just skip the complicated stuff?”
“Oh, I’m sorry. I got too excited. Not even my friends in the department bother to listen to me…”
Chikamori, who had begun to lean forward eagerly, scratched his head in embarrassment. After we smiled at each other,
“…Are you able to access this other dimension, then?”
“Only if I can solve this equation.”
There is a bit more explanation for both, but that's the main bit. What's interesting though is that Araki himself said within JoJoveller that each of these short stories take place in the same world as the original JoJo story, meaning that the 10 Dimensions described in M-Theory and Superstring theory would also exist within the main JoJo story. This is where it now gets nutty
Both D4C:Love Train and Tusk Act 4 are stated to be able to 'transcend dimensions', with Love Train additionally described as a 'multidimensional body' existing within 'a gap in space between dimensions' and Tusk being able to 'move into the boundary between dimensions' are 'move freely within that infinite space'. Wonder of U, or 'Calamity' to be more specific, is stated by Araki to be the 'strongest adversary' one could face and would retroactively scale above the Higher Dimensional monster previously mentioned in Blackstar. Fate is also the highest concept in JoJo, with Araki explaining in an interview that Fate is in fact 'a law written by God himself'. God created the JoJo world and subsquently its cosmology so a law written by God would scale to said cosmology.
Gold Experience Requiem is stated to be the 'Ultimate Stand' that 'exceeds all existing stands in offensive output', posessing stats that cannot be measured by the stand stats (which go up to infinity) nor can be compared to any other stand. Return to Zero is also stated to be the 'ultimate', 'supreme' and 'godlike' ability that 'reduces everything to nothing' and nullifies all other abilities. Return to Zero also explicitly negated fate on panel, with JoJoveller adding that if Giorno's future death was foretold, that outcome would simply never come to pass.
This shows that GER scales above all other stands, abilities and concepts in JoJo, including those that scale to the 10D cosmology.
This then means that GER is High 1-C
This is the pinnacle of JoJo scaling
I understand that GER powers can be vague, hell the guy showed up for 3 chapters then pissed off never to be seen again. But it's because of that we need to look into all sorts of sources so that we can accurately detail wtf this stand can actually do. I do not believe it's pulling a power out of nowhere, I think that's underselling what the guides tell us, especially since they are written by the author himself. We need them to clear up any confusing details there may be in regards to GER's esoteric powers as they have such little screen time, and they tell us GER can reduce power to zero. They tell us GER negated all of King Crimson's abilities. They tell us this happened in canon. And they go even further than this. They call RTZ 'the ultimate ability that reduces everything to zero', call GER the 'ultimate stand', say its stats cannot be measured or compared with any other stand.
Oh yeah, I totally understand! With GER specifically I don't really mind reaching out to the other sources to try and find some more clarifications with the power.
I think it’s mental shutdown too, I remember something similar happened to Futaba’s mom and she just threw herself into oncoming traffic. GER maybe could idk
As far as I know, they just die if they are killed in the Metaverse.
oh yeah i forgot its mental shutdown too
I think GER has to be aware that it was an attack or something trying to hurt Giorno to RTZ it. I'd similar to how the end of Part 6 isn't stopped by GER despite him no longer going to exist as himself after its affects.
I believe Morgana says that they might die, but both Okumura and Wakaba died (wakaba because of traffic, if im not mistaken). So i guess the general rule is they die.
Gotcha.
Both Giorno and GER were effected by Time erasure and were thus no longer conscious (
We don't even know if GER still exists by the time part 6 comes around since the arrow fell out of GE. The universe reset also effect doesn't living beings, they are simply transported from one universe to the next. Even something as insignificant as an ant is precisely relocated. Only those who are killed by Pucci or the environment going wacky stop existing and get replaced. Giorno was under no threat at all
Much appreciated, DRW. Been a pleasure learning the ins and outs of Giorno from you!
No problem
