Coolboy6
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I have no idea and I don’t know where they got that logic from
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DB Toei revision
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Can somebody provide an embedded video displaying this preview (similarly to some posts above this) please? I was commenting in general based on AKM's arguments. As I said, I haven't followed this discussion in-depth.
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What event is this referring to exactly? When Goku was training in heaven in preparation for fighting Vegeta and Nappa? If so, I suppose that seems reliable, but it depends on what AKM thinks.
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Yeah you're right it's when Goku was training in heaven
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Yes. After fight with Raditz. When Goku dies and goes to Heaven while Piccolo trains a 4 year old Gohan.
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Yeah it's honestly no different from how we've used Narrator statements before in Dragon Ball [I.E: Gohan's fight with Goku , Goku vs Beerus]. The narrator is just explicitly giving info about the event. There is no other intent I'm seeing and why would he give that quote to generate hype, when the quote is just informative.
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I'm inclined to agree with AKM for the reasons that he stated and laid out. This is different, this is a statement in a preview that can be interpreted in different ways - how does the original Japanese compare to the manga version? Besides, I don't feel big upgrades like this should hinge on singular, debatable statements like this one.
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Yeah we have to judge these things on a case-by-case basis.
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Thats a false equivalence ngl.
A statement about cosmology has no implicit meaning than what it says.
While in case of statement above...not only is Frieza power lvl more susceptible to featless outlier rather as hype, but the statement by itself is also straightforward
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This. + the GT statement.
I don't see anything hyperbolic here.
"Poetic language" is an extraordinary claim for such a statement. And extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which the opposition hasn't brought up yet.
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Unless I’m missing something this shouldn’t matter right. Cause this is anime-only.
Multiple, clear as day statements you mean?
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AHEM.
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What's the original Japanese version? How can it be translated? If it's the same as the manga version it could (and perhaps should) be translated the same way, which throws out the basis of the statement entirely.
What was laid out for me was the one statement, which is debatable.
What was laid out for me was the one statement, which is debatable.
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With the evidence shown, would it be sufficient for a rating of possibly 2-C?
If dimensions are separate space-time continuums, what about this feat?
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If dimensions are separate space-time continuums, what about this feat?
Goku and Pikkon Cross the Afterlife (Redone)
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Can you provide alternative interpretations?? Especially one that will take precedence over whats said and what it means literally??
Then debate and convince us its unusable...on what grounds must we consider it unreliable??
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Do keep in mind as this can been argued as working both ways.
If poetic language is being used and is being used in previews of a episode before it get started. In addition to that, what proof there is that it isn’t poetic language to say the least?
In any case, I am neutral and my stance will remain neutral in its entirety as stated earlier. If there is characters in the actual episodes talking about and clarifying any details of the cosmology, that will been appreciated.
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Reversing the burden of proof when the context of the statement and its very grammar doesn't give off any flower text. Even taking it as flower text....would it really matter?? Does its meaning change??
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It does change and also, I not sure if it will count as false equivalent as both statement are from previews of a episode using a supposedly omniscient narrator. Even then, there is no guarantees this will pass anyway.
Edit: Also I don’t think you can not claim it doesn’t give off flowery vibes as that is based on a opinion or interpretation if anything.
Regardless, I will remain very neutral to this CRT anyway.
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And what is said change??
Yes it will.
A) You are using broad brush stroke to dismiss it.
B) You are unwilling to debate the actual merit of statement.
C) The grounds on which I differentiated this preview with others is not same as what you are using.
I used the context and basic grammar...you used a trend of the medium.
D) Flower texts can even happen mid show....we don't throw out other stuff mid show stuff because of it, even then it can used as a dire t statement which could be either false or outlier. Niether is the case here.
This is was directed as mods btw..not necessarily at you.
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The GT anime statement in the OP.
Independent fan translation, accurate unless opposition has a better one.
The GT manga? If it exists it isn't relevant here since it'll probably adapt the anime.
The OP is full of statements. Also it isn't even clear what statement you are even referring to.
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If I not mistaken, it is common knowledge that most if not all anime series usually tend to have previews of the next episode or from showing a preview being stated by the narrator to describe the plot/summary of the next IIRC.
Something I would like to point out.
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Okaayyy...so??
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Why would the rating be “possibly” when clear evidence is shown? It should just be 2-c.
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Also why are the mods agreeing to refuted claims? Seems dumb to me.
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Basically the previews are being treated as more like summaries of the next episodes and we might get a few clip of what the next episode has to offer.
Other than that, I will unfollow this thread as I have no further input to add.
Edit: Not sure if the claims made by the admins is exactly “refuted”, but I digress.
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Well, in my case I simply don't have enough time to read remotely everything here, so I mostly read what has been posted by our staff in order to save time and be able to keep up with all of my work.
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I'm not a Japanese expert, but listening to the DBZ statement I could hear the word Jikū (じくう or 時空) which As far as I remember being told means "Space time"
I also remember this because I've seen it in the Dragon Ball Heroes manga before. Feel free to correct me though.
I also remember this because I've seen it in the Dragon Ball Heroes manga before. Feel free to correct me though.
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The statement isn't in the manag, because the anime DBZ, and DBGT, are not canon to the manga, meaning using them is flat out objectively wrong
Then why agree? Isn't best to actually understand and analysis the argument, Instead of blindly agreeing? What if the the staff were wrong? You will just blidnly agree? Into better to analysis the argument, before blindly saying "yes, I agree with staff"
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You can refer to this comment where I have explained what the proposal is and why I disagree: https://vsbattles.com/threads/db-toei-revision.127083/page-4#post-4301991
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Counter arguments are given for valid arguments. If the only thing you are providing is a preview, it doesn't even qualify as a valid evidence, so.
Thank you for that.
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You guys are not even trying to debunk the points, hiding behind "much flowery language" "muh previews".
This ain't a serious debate, so I'll unfollow the thread from now on.
This ain't a serious debate, so I'll unfollow the thread from now on.
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I debunked all those points.
And why are you being so obtuse on judging the the statement on its merit?? Painting a broad brush of "hyperbole" over that statement due to some incomparable instances of preview??
You guys say there are other interpretations....but don't even give any interpretations that qualify as valid.
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Now, I will ask, politely. What's wrong with a preview that gives us exposition and explains what's happening, especially when it's coming from a narrator?
The argument are literally "Muh hyperbole" and "muh preview"
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it came from pan
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And that matters how??
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That weird comment Goku made about time in the afterlife is also in the anime, if that matters any.
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As long as the site operates such that we take singular statements from long-running series to define & upgrade cosmologies, and where these often hinge on minor wording differences, the statement should be fine to use.
The statement doesn't seem flowery to me, and the narrator isn't exactly an unreliable source. All dialogue has a purpose, being used to "smooth over the introduction to an episode" is no reason to dismiss a cosmological statement, as that status of it has nothing to do with the veracity.
Maybe they did decide to "spice it up" from the manga, different continuities sometimes decide to spice up statements such that they cross our threshold for evidence and reach another tier. As such, that's also not a reason to dismiss it.
The best reason to chuck it out would be if the translation's dodgy, so we should get someone looking at that.
The statement doesn't seem flowery to me, and the narrator isn't exactly an unreliable source. All dialogue has a purpose, being used to "smooth over the introduction to an episode" is no reason to dismiss a cosmological statement, as that status of it has nothing to do with the veracity.
Maybe they did decide to "spice it up" from the manga, different continuities sometimes decide to spice up statements such that they cross our threshold for evidence and reach another tier. As such, that's also not a reason to dismiss it.
The best reason to chuck it out would be if the translation's dodgy, so we should get someone looking at that.
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