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"Tens of times" is an understatement tbf.
Plus it depends if the wiki accepts also metamor fusions to be above the maximum of their fuses in base.
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GT Goku Profile
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Plus it depends if the wiki accepts also metamor fusions to be above the maximum of their fuses in base.
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Yeah. Though it should be noted that using 1 finger to exceed Omega automatically puts him in the power range of SFPSSJ4 Goku’s 1.63 Billion casually. Apply the tens of times statement and you end up with 20-99x that, I’d think. So pretty high up there.
EDIT: Also, Post-Negative Karma Ball Base Goku being ~ Omega would mean he’s probably the strongest in GT since he would be able to stack his crazy power increases on top of it again.
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We use only x20 in these cases, as it's the minimal.
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Makes sense.
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Okay, to correct myself it's specifically dozens/tens (not sure which translation is more accurate) of times of of a SSJ4 in a single finger.
So waaaaaaaaaaay above what I remembered.
AKA: So one finger of SSJ4 Gogeta is dozens/tens of times higher than a SSJ4 rather than just being his full power being that high.
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So are your scaling concerns handled now?
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Sir LordTracer of the Circle of Thread Moderators?
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I’m good to apply this thread tomorrow, right? Since the waiting period is 48 hours after the full number of agrees (2) is acquired.
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The profile looks okay to me, but I’m also not super knowledgeable in GT, so don’t take that as a full approval (you’ve already got enough staff approvals anyway, so you don’t need mine)
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The main thing I'm questioning is why Golden Great Ape Baby is considered 6,400 times stronger than Super Baby 2.
From what I'm understanding, Golden Great Ape is essentially the Super Saiyan version of Great Ape, right? So unless I'm missing something, Baby, who is already in his mutated equivalent of SS3, wouldn't necessarily make the same 3,200x jump as Base Goku did.
From what I'm understanding, Golden Great Ape is essentially the Super Saiyan version of Great Ape, right? So unless I'm missing something, Baby, who is already in his mutated equivalent of SS3, wouldn't necessarily make the same 3,200x jump as Base Goku did.
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He’s transforming into Golden Oozaru. There’s no reason to assume his Golden Oozaru form behaves differently. Also, it’s not just SSJ Oozaru. Whilst it does rely on mastery of the SSJ and Oozaru states, Golden Oozaru and SSJ4 are explicitly described as a “separate species” of SSJ transformation. Despite being reliant on achieving those two forms, they are distinct and are not indicative of the power Golden Oozaru and SSJ4 yield. So trying to reconcile the normal SSJ forms with it is trying to equate Apples and Oranges just because both are fruit.
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I have a little question, since GT Goku is getting upgraded to EG in combat using mostly Toei Goku's feats, would that mean Toeiverse Goku would also have his intelligence changed? I wouldn't mind editing a few things out to fit in that sexy intelligence section for Toeiku.
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Yes, correct. I actually had a prototype for breaking down GTku’s Justification into the other Toei iterations, but I intended to finish that alongside the rest of the re-made Toei Goku profiles.
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I actually came up with the "prototype" of the section you're using. DBS Anime Goku currently has it right now, except he's missing a shit ton of the feats and references you added because I mostly did that section as a startup for the other members to use it for when DBS Goku, people who scale to him and/or mastered UI got upgraded. You honestly put it in a very nice way format, I gotta learn how to use Borders
What really needs a fix is Vegeta, holy f*ck do his profiles stink.
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You know what?, this shit should make Goku outright Above Average at least, even Gifted with the bolded part, because he literally need to understand some of Tuffle's biological physiology to deduce that weakness.
Also you forgot that he decided to wait for Baby spaceship is in the right position to fire a Kamehameha to push him to the sun to "negate" his regeneration
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Honestly, even canon Goku has done some crazy shit, like learning how to pilot a spaceship on a dying planet with no prior experience. Really I think it's a Cartman case where he has pretty damn impressive feats, but he has zero common sense
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Personally this moment feels like PIS for Baby. The whole reason this works is because when Vegeta grew, “Baby grew too.” So when Vegeta shrinks to normal, Baby is too big to fit in Vegeta’s body.
Which on the surface seems okay/sensible, but doesn’t make tangible sense when you stop and think for like 10 seconds.
1) Baby has made himself significantly larger than his targets to possess them before. Most clearly with Gohan, where before he possessed him he turned himself into the giant form of his head and overlapped them. This never limited him before.
2) Baby possessed Meta Rildo and had him merge with the planet, which is Rildo’s real body. In order for Baby to do this, he must have made his mass planetary to exert the control we visibly see him have over Rildo and the planet. This did not affect him whatsoever for his later possessions.
3) Baby can shapeshift. Like incredibly well. Like, he’s shrunk himself to fit in cuts. Even though his mass is significantly larger. (Goten fight, Vegeta). In fact, Baby himself literally escapes Vegeta’s body by shrinking into a rock’s size, and hopping away.
By all accounts Baby should’ve been fine. The fact Goku doing this worked is plot at its finest and probably should be considered an outlier on the negative end on Baby’s profile. Which is why I only give it passing mention.
EDIT: My personal Headcanon I don’t use for the profile is that it’s not that Baby couldn’t make himself smaller, but that doing so simply would be too slow to save himself before he’s compressed and killed by Vegeta’s body. Essentially, Vegeta’s shrinking too fast to compensate for.
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I should be able to apply this now.
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Profile applied. Given the staff of this thread are unsure of the scaling, I'm wary to apply it yet.
Do any of you want to come forth and explain so we can have a discussion on it? I don't want to apply it and get biten for it later due to lack of response from staff.
Do any of you want to come forth and explain so we can have a discussion on it? I don't want to apply it and get biten for it later due to lack of response from staff.
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Hello?
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Applying Scaling Blog.
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Is this not multiplier stacking? You better get supporting feats bro
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It’s literally full of feats. Each “multiplier” is a canon one (50x is the confirmed SSJ multiplier) or using a canon basis (SB1 is SSJ2, SB2 is SSJ3), to derive the bare minimum multiplier we see (identical to SSG, which does the same and is accepted).
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He needs a revamp. Also Toei GT trunks as well. Why does his page has DBS Goku stuff on it with notable ki attacks?
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Most of GT needs an overhaul as far as I know.
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Agreed. The DBSH profiles look better than his, and that's a shame considering he's the most popular Goku here.
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This is how VSBW treats stuff dude. It's how it is with that feat from BOG in DBS.
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Uh, no? We have scaling Chains for DBS using the canon multipliers we're given/feats that are multiplier adjacent. Like the DBS speed blog. We also have an accepted minimum multiplier for SSG based on the same logic I'm using for SSJ4. So I don't know what you're talking about? Anyway, this was applied already, so...
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