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Well hello fellow wankers in this thread I am going to cover a very heavily debatable and controversial topic which is afterlife in dragon ball being higher dimensional so without further yapping lettuce begin.
Afterlife Higher dimensional nature
So firstly we have this infamous afterlife scan from daizenshu 4,page 16
Alternate translation from wiki translator :
(天よりも高く人間界からは い知ることができない次元を超越した天の国神々はこの地から世界のすべてを見おろしている Ten yori mo takaku ningen-kai kara wa i shiru koto ga dekinai jigen o chōetsu-shīta ten no kuni, kamigami wa kono ji kara-sekai no subete o mioroshite iru)
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"Soaring higher than heavens
A world that transcends the dimensions and understanding of the human world.
From here, the gods watch over the realm"
So as mentioned in the above scan it appears afterlife is a higher dimensional structure compared to the mortal universe or living universe as it transcends it further proven by the fact how mortals can't perceive it making it 5d(4 spatial + 1 temporal) structure as it is transcends mortal universe which is 4d(3 spatial + 1 temporal dimension)
Proving significance in the 4th spatial axis
Now that's not all there is this one particular thing which might prove afterlife significance and superiority as a higher dimension.
Afterlife contains a place called heaven which was said to be as wide/big as the living universe both in guides and tv anime.
It is already accepted that living universe is infinite which would make heaven infinite to.Now afterlife not only contains heaven but it is so big that heaven completely disappears in its vastness which can be proven by the fact that heaven is placed above the snakeway and king Kai planet in the official macrocosm map yet when we get to see overall top view from the snakeway in episode 12 of dbz we don't see heaven an infinite universal structure at all
Same was seen when Goku first visited king Kai in episode 18 and when he looks above we don't get to see heaven at all again.So the above context makes it very clear that afterlife is infinitely vast compared to heaven that is infinite in size to the point that heaven appears non existent in it’s space thus making afterlife infinitely bigger compared to heaven that is infinite and is of same size of the living universe proving it's superiority over it.
Counter arguments
“Doesn't the scan uses the word transcendental and it could also be talking about afterlife having spiritual transcendence rather than a dimensional one”
The first thing I like to clear is no the scan doesn't say it is transcendental since the kanji used in the scan is "超越した" (Chouetsushita) which translates to it transcending or being transcendent rather than transcendental which is described by the kanji “超越的" (Chouetsuteki).
There is also the fact that transcendental meaning is restricted to the form of an adjective. Japanese follows an SOV Structure when forming sentences, meaning the Subject comes first, then the Object, then the Verb, whilst the adjective comes before the noun like in English. Here, 超越 comes after the noun that it's in reference to, that being 次元 (Jigen), meaning that that 超越 here isn't an adjective, but rather a verb.
Now for the next part of the argument people argue that the scan refers to spiritual transcendence but this is completely disapproved by the fact the terminology used in the scan is 次元を超越した天の国 (jigen o chōetsu shita ten no kuni) seems to emphasize the fact that it is speaking transcendence in the mathematical sense not to mention the fact that choetsu/transcend is used as a verb here rather than adjective so it talking about spiritual wouldn't fit as a verb with the terminology used in the scan.
“It simply speaks how afterlife is above living universe in sense of cosmological location”
While it is indeed true that afterlife is above living universe but the term used in the scan is “超越” (choetsu) which doesn't mean being over something in location but rather exceeding or surpassing something i.e transcending so the scan refering to afterlife being over living universe wouldn't make sense as they use completely different terminology.
Conclusion
So to summarise everything toei afterlife should be upgraded to 5d(4 spatial + 1 temporal)/low 1c for dragon ball toei as it transcends the dimensions of mortal universe and it also contains heavens which is infinite in size and appears to be infinitely bigger than it proving it's superiority compared to a 3d structure.
Agree:AwkguyDB,McFriesGuy075,Hasty12345(agrees with u7 being low 1c),CelestialVortex01,ProfectusInfinity,RigelBR7,AyeZ2,Ednaxel2,Darkmon_cns,TheGreatBanana,DivineAura44,Ebihara,RenderGK,GarrixianXD,@heTenno07,MasqueTLDF,Da3ggman,LordDestroit10K,JJSliderman,Wankbreaker,Dagoth_OwO,Kroneii1,ReaperAndBlues,XXBenShapiroXx,The_2nd_Existential_Seed,Vietthai96,Ottavio_Merluzzo,TiltedFN,Robo432343
Neutral: Eseseso
Disagree: DarkDragonMedeus,PrinceofPein,TheUnshakableOne,Compsito,Sebas-S.P-san
Afterlife Higher dimensional nature
So firstly we have this infamous afterlife scan from daizenshu 4,page 16
Alternate translation from wiki translator :
(天よりも高く人間界からは い知ることができない次元を超越した天の国神々はこの地から世界のすべてを見おろしている Ten yori mo takaku ningen-kai kara wa i shiru koto ga dekinai jigen o chōetsu-shīta ten no kuni, kamigami wa kono ji kara-sekai no subete o mioroshite iru)
=
"Soaring higher than heavens
A world that transcends the dimensions and understanding of the human world.
From here, the gods watch over the realm"
So as mentioned in the above scan it appears afterlife is a higher dimensional structure compared to the mortal universe or living universe as it transcends it further proven by the fact how mortals can't perceive it making it 5d(4 spatial + 1 temporal) structure as it is transcends mortal universe which is 4d(3 spatial + 1 temporal dimension)
Proving significance in the 4th spatial axis
Now that's not all there is this one particular thing which might prove afterlife significance and superiority as a higher dimension.
Afterlife contains a place called heaven which was said to be as wide/big as the living universe both in guides and tv anime.
It is already accepted that living universe is infinite which would make heaven infinite to.Now afterlife not only contains heaven but it is so big that heaven completely disappears in its vastness which can be proven by the fact that heaven is placed above the snakeway and king Kai planet in the official macrocosm map yet when we get to see overall top view from the snakeway in episode 12 of dbz we don't see heaven an infinite universal structure at all
Same was seen when Goku first visited king Kai in episode 18 and when he looks above we don't get to see heaven at all again.So the above context makes it very clear that afterlife is infinitely vast compared to heaven that is infinite in size to the point that heaven appears non existent in it’s space thus making afterlife infinitely bigger compared to heaven that is infinite and is of same size of the living universe proving it's superiority over it.
Counter arguments
“Doesn't the scan uses the word transcendental and it could also be talking about afterlife having spiritual transcendence rather than a dimensional one”
The first thing I like to clear is no the scan doesn't say it is transcendental since the kanji used in the scan is "超越した" (Chouetsushita) which translates to it transcending or being transcendent rather than transcendental which is described by the kanji “超越的" (Chouetsuteki).
There is also the fact that transcendental meaning is restricted to the form of an adjective. Japanese follows an SOV Structure when forming sentences, meaning the Subject comes first, then the Object, then the Verb, whilst the adjective comes before the noun like in English. Here, 超越 comes after the noun that it's in reference to, that being 次元 (Jigen), meaning that that 超越 here isn't an adjective, but rather a verb.
Now for the next part of the argument people argue that the scan refers to spiritual transcendence but this is completely disapproved by the fact the terminology used in the scan is 次元を超越した天の国 (jigen o chōetsu shita ten no kuni) seems to emphasize the fact that it is speaking transcendence in the mathematical sense not to mention the fact that choetsu/transcend is used as a verb here rather than adjective so it talking about spiritual wouldn't fit as a verb with the terminology used in the scan.
“It simply speaks how afterlife is above living universe in sense of cosmological location”
While it is indeed true that afterlife is above living universe but the term used in the scan is “超越” (choetsu) which doesn't mean being over something in location but rather exceeding or surpassing something i.e transcending so the scan refering to afterlife being over living universe wouldn't make sense as they use completely different terminology.
Conclusion
So to summarise everything toei afterlife should be upgraded to 5d(4 spatial + 1 temporal)/low 1c for dragon ball toei as it transcends the dimensions of mortal universe and it also contains heavens which is infinite in size and appears to be infinitely bigger than it proving it's superiority compared to a 3d structure.
Agree:AwkguyDB,McFriesGuy075,Hasty12345(agrees with u7 being low 1c),CelestialVortex01,ProfectusInfinity,RigelBR7,AyeZ2,Ednaxel2,Darkmon_cns,TheGreatBanana,DivineAura44,Ebihara,RenderGK,GarrixianXD,@heTenno07,MasqueTLDF,Da3ggman,LordDestroit10K,JJSliderman,Wankbreaker,Dagoth_OwO,Kroneii1,ReaperAndBlues,XXBenShapiroXx,The_2nd_Existential_Seed,Vietthai96,Ottavio_Merluzzo,TiltedFN,Robo432343
Neutral: Eseseso
Disagree: DarkDragonMedeus,PrinceofPein,TheUnshakableOne,Compsito,Sebas-S.P-san
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