A definitely not so controversial Dragon ball toei upgrade

[Hasty12345]

Weak, but necessary when an additional spatial axis is involved.

Okay, I'll wait to see the continuation of this

As necessary as 5D gravity

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Weak, but necessary when an additional spatial axis is involved.

I'm sorry but unironically.

Name one other time that specifily needed to be proven in a thread

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

As necessary as 5D gravity

Thank you, I appreciate it, you just reminded me of another Anti-feat from the afterlife.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Thank you, I appreciate it, you just reminded me of another Anti-feat from the afterlife.

I'd also like you to name a time 5d gravity has ever ever needed to be proven in any thread ever

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Aight, stop clogging.

 

[Anime_Facts]

Okay, with all due respect, i noticed something in this type of thread. The new strategy for the supporters of the verse is basically

• Presenting a weak piece of evidence
• Question it's translation and call in a translator
• Act so just because the translation is correct, the evidence suddenly becomes decisive.

The matter of fact is: The line from the Daizenshuu is STILL insufficient evidence to prove 5D even if the translation is right. It ultimately doesn't matter, and the supporters can't just act like the translation is what's holding the evidence back. It isn't.
At the end of the day, it is a singular statement about a dimension that we have MOUNTAINS and MOUNTAINS of experience and knowledge of.
So it's not like the statement is referring to a mystic dimension we have never seen in the show before. No, the Other World has been explored, shown and thoroughly explained IN-UNIVERSE several times.
NOTHING, and I repeat, NOTHING about how the Other World is presented, structured and ruled fulfills the requirements for a 5th Dimensional plane of existence.
Lower beings can interact with it no problem, travelling and perceiving the dimension with no lack of comprehension at all. We've seen several physical interactions between beings from the physical universe and Other World.
It is NOT beyond "Human Comprehension" in the sense of dimensionality, it has never shown to be. You can't just use one statement that doesn't concur with anything that's been shown on screen to upgrade Other World.
Kami, Baba; God even GOKU'S SPIRIT, which should be in the same plane as Other World, managed to instant transmission out of Other World straight to punch Bojack in the Toeiverse.

All the evidence suggests that the Other World is just another dimension that has a set of rules about one's spirit, not some higher dimensional plane that has an extra layer of space and/or time. There's nothing even suggesting it. There's no reason nor lore mechanics that would even require heaven to be a higher dimensional plane.

I thoroughly disagree with the thread.

Oh, and about heaven being infinite and not been seen in the sky. This is not supporting evidence. Infinite spaces can house infinite objects with infinite space between them. This is not evidence of a higher dimensional attribute. It's a nothing burger. Isn't the distance between heaven and hell infinite, which is why Toeiverse has infinite speed? So heaven not showing is NOT proof of anything

So all you have is: a singular statement from a canonical material that doesn't even work with the canonical material itself. And I'm pretty sure you can't have a Tier 1 upgrade based on just one statement.

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

I'd also like you to name a time 5d gravity has ever ever needed to be proven in any thread ever

I have only seen 5D with hyper timeline, in the past, things like that were part of Qualitative superiority qualifying then to the same of a higher dimension, but believe me when what is required for an additional spatial higher dimension, should not have those weak proofs, since when does having a little more weight make you 5D (I mean gravity), since when can characters from lower dimensions pick up the same coordinates as a higher dimension, isn't that illogical?


Now, if you consider it weak counterargumentative evidence, show me evidence to disregard them, remember that a higher Dimension is an uncountable infinity, so, all their criteria is based on the same.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'd also like you to name a time 5d gravity has ever ever needed to be proven in any thread ever

If you mean historically, back in the early 1900s gravity was considered as a fifth dimensional axis to time's fourth dimension.

If you mean physics wise then gravity works irrelevant of dimensional size. It's effects are just dampened with taking into account different directional axis.

 

[OrangeFR]

I didn’t think about it before, but the nail in the coffin is the unclear meaning of the word, put me as disagree now.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Okay, with all due respect, i noticed something in this type of thread. The new strategy for the supporters of the verse is basically

• Presenting a weak piece of evidence
• Question it's translation and call in a translator
• Act so just because the translation is correct, the evidence suddenly becomes decisive.

The matter of fact is: The line from the Daizenshuu is STILL insufficient evidence to prove 5D even if the translation is right. It ultimately doesn't matter, and the supporters can't just act like the translation is what's holding the evidence back. It isn't.
At the end of the day, it is a singular statement about a dimension that we have MOUNTAINS and MOUNTAINS of experience and knowledge of.
So it's not like the statement is referring to a mystic dimension we have never seen in the show before. No, the Other World has been explored, shown and thoroughly explained IN-UNIVERSE several times.
NOTHING, and I repeat, NOTHING about how the Other World is presented, structured and ruled fulfills the requirements for a 5th Dimensional plane of existence.
Lower beings can interact with it no problem, travelling and perceiving the dimension with no lack of comprehension at all. We've seen several physical interactions between beings from the physical universe and Other World.
It is NOT beyond "Human Comprehension" in the sense of dimensionality, it has never shown to be. You can't just use one statement that doesn't concur with anything that's been shown on screen to upgrade Other World.
Kami, Baba; God even GOKU'S SPIRIT, which should be in the same plane as Other World, managed to instant transmission out of Other World straight to punch Bojack in the Toeiverse.

All the evidence suggests that the Other World is just another dimension that has a set of rules about one's spirit, not some higher dimensional plane that has an extra layer of space and/or time. There's nothing even suggesting it. There's no reason nor lore mechanics that would even require heaven to be a higher dimensional plane.

I thoroughly disagree with the thread.

Oh, and about heaven being infinite and not been seen in the sky. This is not supporting evidence. Infinite spaces can house infinite objects with infinite space between them. This is not evidence of a higher dimensional attribute. It's a nothing burger. Isn't the distance between heaven and hell infinite, which is why Toeiverse has infinite speed? So heaven not showing is NOT proof of anything

So all you have is: a singular statement from a canonical material that doesn't even work with the canonical material itself. And I'm pretty sure you can't have a Tier 1 upgrade based on just one statement.

I agree with this

There's no solid grounds for even a possibly rating because it doesn't come close to hitting what is needed

 

[Damage3245]

Okay, with all due respect, i noticed something in this type of thread. The new strategy for the supporters of the verse is basically

• Presenting a weak piece of evidence
• Question it's translation and call in a translator
• Act so just because the translation is correct, the evidence suddenly becomes decisive.

The matter of fact is: The line from the Daizenshuu is STILL insufficient evidence to prove 5D even if the translation is right. It ultimately doesn't matter, and the supporters can't just act like the translation is what's holding the evidence back. It isn't.
At the end of the day, it is a singular statement about a dimension that we have MOUNTAINS and MOUNTAINS of experience and knowledge of.
So it's not like the statement is referring to a mystic dimension we have never seen in the show before. No, the Other World has been explored, shown and thoroughly explained IN-UNIVERSE several times.
NOTHING, and I repeat, NOTHING about how the Other World is presented, structured and ruled fulfills the requirements for a 5th Dimensional plane of existence.
Lower beings can interact with it no problem, travelling and perceiving the dimension with no lack of comprehension at all. We've seen several physical interactions between beings from the physical universe and Other World.
It is NOT beyond "Human Comprehension" in the sense of dimensionality, it has never shown to be. You can't just use one statement that doesn't concur with anything that's been shown on screen to upgrade Other World.
Kami, Baba; God even GOKU'S SPIRIT, which should be in the same plane as Other World, managed to instant transmission out of Other World straight to punch Bojack in the Toeiverse.

All the evidence suggests that the Other World is just another dimension that has a set of rules about one's spirit, not some higher dimensional plane that has an extra layer of space and/or time. There's nothing even suggesting it. There's no reason nor lore mechanics that would even require heaven to be a higher dimensional plane.

I thoroughly disagree with the thread.

Oh, and about heaven being infinite and not been seen in the sky. This is not supporting evidence. Infinite spaces can house infinite objects with infinite space between them. This is not evidence of a higher dimensional attribute. It's a nothing burger. Isn't the distance between heaven and hell infinite, which is why Toeiverse has infinite speed? So heaven not showing is NOT proof of anything

So all you have is: a singular statement from a canonical material that doesn't even work with the canonical material itself. And I'm pretty sure you can't have a Tier 1 upgrade based on just one statement.

Yeah.... This is a well-written post addressing it. For now I'm going to have to disagree with the thread too unless there's more substantial evidence.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Yeah.... This is a well-written post addressing it. For now I'm going to have to disagree with the thread too unless there's more substantial evidence.

If you mean historically, back in the early 1900s gravity was considered as a fifth dimensional axis to time's fourth dimension.

If you mean physics wise then gravity works irrelevant of dimensional size. It's effects are just dampened with taking into account different directional axis.

Alright since there are 4 disagree I don't think it is beneficial to continue this further this thread can be closed

 

[Damage3245]

Alright since there are 4 disagree I don't think it is beneficial to continue this further this thread can be closed

Closing at the request of the OP.