Pretty much what you said is what I also feel.
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This is the argument right now.
Resistance.
This supports the proposed idea that the elements that logias turn into should be resisted by proficient haki users. Since haki users can’t stop logias from actually turning into their elements, they are often in contact with harmful elements that the logias may turn into. But they don’t seem to be affected by it. So i feel like logia elements should be added as resistances.
Force Field Generation.
That's a weakness most force fields wouldn't have, but since Oda added we also have to add it (weakness to cutting/piercing damage), but after fishman island i think Luffy removed this weakness, right?
Haki isn't "Hard" normally, i know it isn't life force and the like, but it is pretty much flowing through everyone's body and can be "Hardened" to create a force field, at high level they just learn to send it greater distances before "Hardening".
Luffy hitting Caesar and the Shinokuni went to his hands.
So instead of Haki having a forcefield, that would make haki the forcefield.
I think that depends on the level of the Haki, remember Hody bit right through Luffy's although his Haki at this point wasn't very developed.
You'd be right with the first statement but One Piece isn't every fictional story, some works of fiction don't have have Power Null. My main point is that we only have 2 possible methods of power null in the verse, Haki isn't stated to be power null. The best form of null it has is against Logia's and even then, the null doesn't always work which is why Haki can also grab them as if they were solid.
Never said it was, my main point is that dismissing the resistances in favor of minor power null isn't right either.
You and I already concluded that the corrosion is out of the window since that's part of Smiley. He wouldn't be in pain. We see the poison on his hands and it rusted off.
Sorry, I misinterpreted your post that I quoted. I thought you were saying he was in pain when he hit Caeser.
They hold weight, but by itself I wouldn't consider that stronger than a "Possibly/Likely" ability.
No issues, it's all good.
Hold up, that simply isn't true and let's really not use Jinbe getting burnt as an anti feat. He got burned by a character who's significantly stronger than him, a characters who sheer temperature isn't anything to dismiss and had stronger Haki. Whitebeard doesn't make sense either as he wasn't using Haki to defend from Akainu's Magma. Jinbe used his Haki to negate some of the elemental damage from Ace, Luffy uses it to prevent himself from elemental status effects. (Fire.) and they can grab Logia's without suffering any consequences.
Doffy negated his Spatial Attacks multiple times, and Vergo also did the same at first before Law swung with his full force. The statements also come from Doffy who's extremely knowledgeable regarding the Ope Ope. We have statements and blatant feats of Haki resisting Law's attacks.
Honestly I'm fine with a likely, since the resistance is there but it can also be overpowered once Law goes full force.
Law has Haki too, that could be a factor
@Damage3245; that's the thing. More than logias have weaknesses.
To show that "weaknesses" aren't specific to Logias
