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Pretty much
Law was in Wano and Caesar's heart was in WCI and Bege (no haki) could hold and squeeze his heart
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One Piece: Cross-Verse Logia Reaction Intan Issue and Ability Addition
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Good point. I guess for Mes specifically the heart itself isn't protected by the abilities if they don't resist the initial removal somehow.
I agree with this then.
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For the passive logia thing. I'm not against it, I just don't have much of an opinion regarding it. But if it works while their asleep then I guess it's fine.
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Agree with passive logias.
Regarding power null, I believe it works that way because Law is affecting their "real bodies" to steal their "real" hearts, completely independent of their logia forms or abilities. Kinda similar to how Buso affects their "real" bodies directly and ignores their logia forms entirely.
But that's just my headcanon, so I'll remain neutral on this point.
Regarding power null, I believe it works that way because Law is affecting their "real bodies" to steal their "real" hearts, completely independent of their logia forms or abilities. Kinda similar to how Buso affects their "real" bodies directly and ignores their logia forms entirely.
But that's just my headcanon, so I'll remain neutral on this point.
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That's true but they can't do anything with the heart, while with haki they can still stay in logia form. Like their powers can't be activated similarly to sea stone which is power null I think but kinda more effective tho that's what I think, it is confusing tho
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They don't transform their "real" bodies to begin with. It is weird though, admittedly, which is why I'm neutral on this.
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i agree with the intangibility part but i am neutral about the powernull caseLogia Intangibility Issue
One Piece
For detailed information about this series from the One Piece Wiki you can click here. One Piece is the world's most popular manga series of all time.[1] It is published in Shonen Jump and is written and drawn by Eiichiro Oda. It is an Action Adventure story about Monkey D. Luffy, a pirate who...vsbattles.fandom.com
Where is it ever stated or shown that logias don't automatically transform? And where is it stated that it's an on guard concept?
The only time this is hinted to is when Luffy rocketed into Smoker, but that's a clear gag moment.
Sabo said that he kept dodging by accident even though he didn't need to, shown by the fact that he kept dodging, and while he was tagged he kept automatically transforming.
Crocodile got his head sliced while off guard and transformed.
Smoker was cut in half off guard and transformed.
Ace was REPEATEDLY attacked and kept transforming.
Enel FELL ASLEEP and was transforming while asleep to dodge Kamakiri's attacks.
Kizaru was visibly off guard and transformed naturally.
Even when Smoker was knowingly off guard, he was surprised someone could tag him. If it was a reaction based thing, he wouldn't be surprised.
Also, Rayleigh doesn't bring up "blitzing a logia" when he talks about how to negate their abilities.
The apparent narrative of "oh they can transform but they need to be on guard" is unfounded, headcanon, and contradicted time and time again. It needs to be removed.
Trafalgar Law Mes Addition
Trafalgar Law should get Power Nullification.
When he pushes out the hearts of logias, they lose their logia ability in their heart to where anybody can interact with their heart, even non haki users like Caesar and Bege.
Haki Resistance
Haki should get resistance to Power Nullification.
Although Devil Fruit abilities are nullified when the limbs are disconnected (from above), Haki isn't, and Kin'emon can use Haki to sense presences while disconnected from others.
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all Logia Users have their own nature of power, some way to counter them is to attack them with the opposite material or Nullify their DF Power or Negate them. Have Higher AP doesn't mean can Harm Logia.
I agree with this
I agree with this
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Agree on the passive intangtibility but neutral for Law possible Powernull
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Seems fine.
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Passive ability.
Even if they're off guard the power is still active.
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Automatic ability*, not passive
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Isn't that the same?
actually no, that would mean they are always in logia form 
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don't think that says no to the thread.... Soc..?
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Even I'm confused
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Yes it does and you can't do nothing about it lol
Soc..?
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Does the op need updating to explain some of the points that has happened in the thread? Could make it more understanding and stuff
Or is it updated already? Or is it not needed?
Or is it updated already? Or is it not needed?
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What confuses you? Robin caught a logia off guard and sprouted a limb on him. Aren't you arguing that it's automatic, which means that shouldn't have been feasible?
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What does this have to do with hurting him?
Is she now unable to sprout limbs on logias?
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And? What's that supposed to prove?
Luffy has been caught off guard and gotten hit or something, is he now not rubber? Or like what are you trying to say?
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Why are you changing the argument now? This is about whether it's an on guard concept which it is as proven by the scan. Croc dodged the water and thought he was safe but was caught "off guard" by her sprouting a limb directly on his body. It needs to be activated, period.
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No one's talking to you lol
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You aren't making any sense.
We said it needs to be activated. We're saying it's automatically activated.
Water negates his powers, mid transformation or not.
He's allowed to speak.
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If it's automatically activated then Robin shouldn't have been able to do that so you're still wrong. He was caught completely off guard with a supposed automatic defense. How does that make sense?
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Why shouldn't Robin be able to do that?
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Which didn't and is incorrect by oda's Statement as swell
You do know she can sprout her limbs on material... You don't think she could do that with sand?
Also... Why did she need water to hit him why not attack him with that limb when he was off guard by it? That scans kinda supports the thread, not against it...
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This question just tells me you're trolling lol He's a logia and she has now haki yet she's touching him. Hellooo?
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She isn't touching him. She's sprouting a limb off of him.
She can sprout a limb off of inanimate objects, she does it all the time.
If she could regularly touch him she would've put him in a chokehold and broke his neck instead of trying to splash water.
And don't get smart with me
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Sprouted her limbs on sand, boom... There you go.
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Oda statement. "I won't end Wano with a big punch" but does just that, so I don't care about it lol
The scan supports a logia being caught off guard by someone w/o haki. You just see what you want to see.
Smoker
Ace
This shouldn't be removed just because OP fans have a hard time coping with it's weakness
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And with that, I'm ignoring you.
The Smoker portion was already tackled in the OP, and the Ace example follows it.
Anything else that needs to be spoken on?
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Robin can sprout stuff off inanimate objects such as sand so thats not really a counter point, literally in the scan you posted she talks about about needing to cover him in water to hit him but if she could simply hit him when he’s off guard why wouldn’t she do that instead?
Its also likely she can only do it to certain Logias like Croc whos made from sand as she doesn’t do it to like Enel whos made from Lightning.
Its also likely she can only do it to certain Logias like Croc whos made from sand as she doesn’t do it to like Enel whos made from Lightning.
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It literally doesn't show that it's activated manually. It is basically just Robin sprouting a limb out of sand (which someone else showed she can do), since crocodile is made out of sand. I don't see why this proves anything to you.
This isn't them "see what you want to see" it's you seeing what YOU want to see because you disagree. Also, shame on the rest of you supporters for not putting this exact thing into word before my comment lmao.
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You were literally fine until the toxicity creeped in lmao. It's fine to disagree, but check your attitude. It's a debate site. No one is having a hard time "coping" just because they disagree.
Anyway, Robin can sprout limbs on walls, ground, trees, etc. Crocodile still has a solid enough form even when he's sand, but disperses when hit. It's the equivalent of Robin sprouting a limb on a sand castle, but it's STILL SAND.
Him being off guard or a logia has literally nothing to do with it, it's just his composition. You can touch a sand castle, but if you punch it you'll be hitting through sand. It's the same exact thing.
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