BIGGEST Tokyo Revengers Dowgrade Calculations Heheh

[Vapourrrrr]

Don't care, it was an example.

Nah, it was going to get pulverized further, not more, there's a difference between both, and science explains it .

Bruh, they even show surprise. Anyone would be surprised if your ally is getting beaten he hell out, same is the case with Chifuyu and others.

Beerut explosion was on whole another scale than some vehicle explosion, so they don't relate. People within 100 meters range had some people also sent flying. I don't know about punisher calc. But about the Takemichi feat, I can bet that he never tanked it, he was sent flying, which means that his durability was penetrated.

1. It was pulverised so badly it just wasn't animated properly ( the pulverisation wasn't finished ), but they made sure to show that it was so badly pulverised that in the moments after wards you could barley see the wood anymore
2. Dude wtf are you talking about, The beerut explosion killed so many people, Im going to say something so read it carefully, Takemichi was 0.06 metres away and was sent flying but stood up and tanked it, The people in the beerut explosion who survived but got sent flying didn't tank it because they were put into the hospital, also using inverse square laws they tanked much less compared to Takemichi, also you don't know how many tonnes of tnt the beerut explosion was so you cant compare it to the hummer which exploded with 0.99 tonnes of Tnt of building + level, Takemichi was 6 cm away from it, stop trying to debunk it because all your complaints are wrong, like morris said your not making any sense

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

What I wanted to say was that you are basically indirectly making Izana even slower by saying that he would react to that "Kakucho, you're in my way, you bastard."

Exactly, and that isn't the case since Izana and Kakucho would have similar speed and Kisaki would be reacting to Izana running if that was the case.

So the whole debunk is invalid at this point.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

I would also like to add that you guys haven't talked about lifting strength, It seems you guys are influenced by the pure fact you want to make Tokyo revengers weaker so the verse loses to your favourite verse since barley anyone actually uses lifting strength in debates

 

[CorbinMLG]

I used the word "might", The sound "RAAAA!" from Kakucho can also be treated as a stimulus. There are literally many auditory stimuli before the visual stimulus which you are arguing about, all of them, being able to downgrade the feat.

Still nowhere near as impactful as a gun shot.

You are saying one meter is the minimum distance he had to cover and I know why it is taken. What my problem is why it is 0.4 meters for the projectile travel distance? The more is the projectile travel distance, the less would be the speed.

I used 0.351 meters after proper pixel scaling. You can check out my calculation.

Another assumption, it isn't shown when did Takemichi close his eyes. Takemichi himself was shocked when he noticed Draken, meaning that Draken basically was out of the range before he did close his eyes, and we don't know when did he do it. Though I myself think that Takemichi would have done it when the shooter said "Die! Hanagaki!" and that's the one which makes the most sense, nothing like assuming a coincidence or something.

You are the one doing assumptions now, I just stated what we can see.

Also, Takemichi never perceived bullets before Izana saved Kakucho. You are supposed to read right to left bud, Takemichi was the second to do so lol, probably the only one who was shown reacting to the feat while it was being performed.

I said he perceived them before they hit Izana, not before Izana saved Kakucho.

 

[Clout5560]

I would also like to add that you guys haven't talked about lifting strength, It seems you guys are influenced by the pure fact you want to make Tokyo revengers weaker so the verse loses to your favourite verse since barley anyone actually uses lifting strength in debates

Lifting strength is pretty common in debates. Bro is really cloudyagami 2.0 since he made this exact point too.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

Still nowhere near as impactful as a gun shot.


I used 0.351 meters after proper pixel scaling. You can check out my calculation.


You are the one doing assumptions now, I just stated what we can see.


I said he perceived them before they hit Izana, not before Izana saved Kakucho.

Hey could you check your message wall, its 2 calcs that bump the verse up and I wanted your opinion on them

 

[RoggerReggor]

1. It was pulverised so badly it just wasn't animated properly ( the pulverisation wasn't finished ), but they made sure to show that it was so badly pulverised that in the moments after wards you could barley see the wood anymore

Bruh, the wood disappeared due to bad animation style. Now don't tell me he vaporized it xD. The size would be at the time of the pulverization, not when the wood is not even there on the screen.

2. Dude wtf are you talking about, The beerut explosion killed so many people, Im going to say something so read it carefully, Takemichi was 0.06 metres away and was sent flying but stood up and tanked it, The people in the beerut explosion who survived but got sent flying didn't tank it because they were put into the hospital, also using inverse square laws they tanked much less compared to Takemichi, also you don't know how many tonnes of tnt the beerut explosion was so you cant compare it to the hummer which exploded with 0.99 tonnes of Tnt of building + level, Takemichi was 6 cm away from it, stop trying to debunk it because all your complaints are wrong, like morris said your not making any sense

Bro, you are completely deflecting my point. My entire stuff was when did Takemichi tank it? He was sent flying, meaning that he never tanked it bruh.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

Lifting strength is pretty common in debates. Bro is really cloudyagami 2.0 since he made this exact point

Just because I make similar points doesn't disprove them dude

 

[RoggerReggor]

Exactly, and that isn't the case since Izana and Kakucho would have similar speed and Kisaki would be reacting to Izana running if that was the case.

So the whole debunk is invalid at this point.

Nah, it isn't. What I want is that you ignore that the sarcastic comment I made on your argument of Izana reacting previously and just notice that Izana had many options and stimuli to react to, the visual stimuli was the last one to take place, but there were a lot in the first place.

 

[Clout5560]

Just because I make similar points doesn't disprove them dude

Never said it did? I said lifting strength is used in debates? I didn’t disprove your point. I’m just correcting you.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

Bruh, the wood disappeared due to bad animation style. Now don't tell me he vaporized it xD. The size would be at the time of the pulverization, not when the wood is not even there on the screen.

Bro, you are completely deflecting my point. My entire stuff was when did Takemichi tank it? He was sent flying, meaning that he never tanked it bruh.

1. Oh so now YOUR allowed to blame the studio ?? Stop being inconsistent please and realise your wrong since the studio took the time to remove the church pews Taiju threw from the background of the clips
2. Read my reply to you on my blog post I explained what tanking is since you for some reason don't understand it Tanking an attack means absorbing damage with little effect on their ability to retaliate or well being, Takemichi other then some small bruising was fine and was able to move, stand up and function perfectly from an explosion that has the capacity of 1 ton of tnt or building level + AP

 

[RoggerReggor]

I would also like to add that you guys haven't talked about lifting strength, It seems you guys are influenced by the pure fact you want to make Tokyo revengers weaker so the verse loses to your favourite verse since barley anyone actually uses lifting strength in debates

LS is not being talked about and neither was AP, since even a CGM said why it is wrong, and it was already debunked a while ago. What's remaining is the only speed calcs, you are late bud, and probably wrong too.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

Never said it did? I said lifting strength is used in debates? I didn’t disprove your point. I’m just correcting you.

Barley used in debates

 

[Clout5560]

Anyways. This is too toxic for me. I’ll come back when second22 is back

 

[Vapourrrrr]

Anyways. This is too toxic for me. I’ll come back when second22 is back

That wont change anything, his debunks have already been disproved, this thread should end and there should be more traction to this thread

https://vsbattles.com/threads/izanas-gun-feat-revision-important.153315/#post-5723696

 

[RoggerReggor]

Still nowhere near as impactful as a gun shot.

Agreed, but there were just so many auditory stimuli to react to, that the visual stimuli was already too late at the point. And I already said that why it is best for the anime to adapt it before we can make any assumptions to what did Izana react to.

I used 0.351 meters after proper pixel scaling. You can check out my calculation.

I found out a distance higher than it here, don't know if it is correct.

You are the one doing assumptions now, I just stated what we can see.

What we can see? We cannot even know the timing of the stuff happening in the manga, so there's probably nothing we can see lol.

I said he perceived them before they hit Izana, not before Izana saved Kakucho.

Probably, yes, but not entirely sure what he exactly reacted to.

 

[Clout5560]

Ok? I dont care if it changes anything. This is what I mean man. Im leaving for this exact reason.

That wont change anything, his debunks have already been disproved, this thread should end and there should be more traction to this thread

https://vsbattles.com/threads/izanas-gun-feat-revision-important.153315/#post-5723696[/URL

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[Vapourrrrr]

Oh and btw the telehandler feat is a durability feat not an AP feat, I remember reading a crt talking about it so idk what your trying to debunk with that

 

[Clout5560]

Oh and btw the telehandler feat is a durability feat not an AP feat, I remember reading a crt talking about it so idk what your trying to debunk with that

Well in the Tokyo Revengers section. When you click on the feat it doesn’t show the scan of it. You should fix that or something.

 

[CorbinMLG]

Agreed, but there were just so many auditory stimuli to react to, that the visual stimuli was already too late at the point. And I already said that why it is best for the anime to adapt it before we can make any assumptions to what did Izana react to.

"So any auditory stimuli to react to" The only one worth any consideration is Kisaki saying "die", and even that is just barely, and Kisaki shoots the gun right after. Don't tell me that this is an assumption, because we literally see him shoot in the next panel without any breaks. Between a gun shot and someone saying "die" I would definitely choose the gun shot as the stimulus, but even if we go with Kisaki saying "die" being the stimulus the difference will be just a few milliseconds.

I found out a distance higher than it here, don't know if it is correct.

The line goes behind Draken, and it doesn't even remove the length of the shooter's arm and pistol...

What we can see? We cannot even know the timing of the stuff happening in the manga, so there's probably nothing we can see lol.

From what we can see, Takemichi closed his eyes after the bullets were shot.

Probably, yes, but not entirely sure what he exactly reacted to.

He perceived the bullets before they hit Izana.

 

[RoggerReggor]

1. Oh so now YOUR allowed to blame the studio ?? Stop being inconsistent please and realise your wrong since the studio took the time to remove the church pews Taiju threw from the background of the clips

I am not blaming the studio in the same way as you. You are literally saying that the studio could have animated it to have a higher scale, while what I am saying is that the studio basically didn't even animate the church pew, due to less budget, I guess? I am just saying that they never animated it. Even grains of wood would be visible, and a grain is smaller than an mm2.

2. Read my reply to you on my blog post I explained what tanking is since you for some reason don't understand it Tanking an attack means absorbing damage with little effect on their ability to retaliate or well being, Takemichi other then some small bruising was fine and was able to move, stand up and function perfectly from an explosion that has the capacity of 1 ton of tnt or building level + AP

I said I didn't understand the rules of explosion in the blog post itself. I would agree with it if a CGM agrees with it. I know a verse myself which I want to scale with explosion stuff, so I was just collected information about it. Downgrading it was never my motive. If a CGM approves it, I have no problems with the verse being even small building level, or even large building level.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Nah, it isn't. What I want is that you ignore that the sarcastic comment I made on your argument of Izana reacting previously and just notice that Izana had many options and stimuli to react to, the visual stimuli was the last one to take place, but there were a lot in the first place.

That's exactly the reason why he'd react to the most impactful one, since the others are not good of a trigger. Me and @CorbinMLG already made this point.

With your argument, you could even say Izana reacted to the sound of Kakucho's footsteps, sigh.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Anyways. This is too toxic for me. I’ll come back when second22 is back

FR, I am getting done with this by 3 guys debating with me at once. I barely got some time to have my meal a while ago. I regret agreeing to the thread content, I guess that's possibly the reason why KLOL doesn't evaluate calcs for this verse with much interest.

 

[CorbinMLG]

Oh and btw the telehandler feat is a durability feat not an AP feat, I remember reading a crt talking about it so idk what your trying to debunk with that

That feat is from a different verse, it should be removed from the verse page including every other calculation and information that isn't Tokyo Revengers related.

 

[RoggerReggor]

"So any auditory stimuli to react to" The only one worth any consideration is Kisaki saying "die", and even that is just barely, and Kisaki shoots the gun right after. Don't tell me that this is an assumption, because we literally see him shoot in the next panel without any breaks. Between a gun shot and someone saying "die" I would definitely choose the gun shot as the stimulus, but even if we go with Kisaki saying "die" being the stimulus the difference will be just a few milliseconds.

I would also add that Kakucho did a "RAAA!" before Kisaki did "Die!". Both completed their specific voice stuff. The "RAAA!" one would take time ngl. Both of these are actually pretty loud if we see that there are exclamation marks after them.

The line goes behind Draken, and it doesn't even remove the length of the shooter's arm and pistol...

I just noticed that, sorry for that fr. I was in a hurry probably that I myself never saw the image in the first place.

From what we can see, Takemichi closed his eyes after the bullets were shot.

Maybe, or maybe not, it's a manga, so we can't say everything for sure.

He perceived the bullets before they hit Izana.

Also, maybe, or maybe not.

 

[RoggerReggor]

That's exactly the reason why he'd react to the most impactful one, since the others are not good of a trigger. Me and @CorbinMLG already made this point.

With your argument, you could even say Izana reacted to the sound of Kakucho's footsteps, sigh.

Agreed, my point is not that he didn't react to the visual stimuli, my point is that there are literally so many things he can react to, before even the visual stimuli. Ranking the best and the most effective stimuli on a scale (this is just for fun). Also, this message is also for @CorbinMLG.

1. Visual stimuli of the gun shot: The most effective, but the one which happened the latest.
2. The "RAAA!" sound made by Kakucho before running: The second most effective, and the one which I believe he reacted to.
3. The "Die!" sound made by Kisaki: The third most effective, and the one which actually is good enough to be taken into account, but lol, why am I making an assumption?

Also, both of my and Second22's point is that assumption-making can be pretty bad in this case, what we can do is just wait for the anime to adapt the scenes respectively.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

That feat is from a different verse, it should be removed from the verse page including every other calculation and information that isn't Tokyo Revengers related.

They are in the verse, Tokyo revengers and desert eagle are the same verse, its like the PTJ verse

 

[Vapourrrrr]

Agreed, my point is not that he didn't react to the visual stimuli, my point is that there are literally so many things he can react to, before even the visual stimuli. Ranking the best and the most effective stimuli on a scale (this is just for fun). Also, this message is also for @CorbinMLG.

1. Visual stimuli of the gun shot: The most effective, but the one which happened the latest.
2. The "RAAA!" sound made by Kakucho before running: The second most effective, and the one which I believe he reacted to.
3. The "Die!" sound made by Kisaki: The third most effective, and the one which actually is good enough to be taken into account, but lol, why am I making an assumption?

Also, both of my and Second22's point is that assumption-making can be pretty bad in this case, what we can do is just wait for the anime to adapt the scenes respectively.

No need to wait for the anime to adapt it, the anime doesn't adapt everything correctly either way the manga gives you more then enough information

 

[RoggerReggor]

That feat is from a different verse, it should be removed from the verse page including every other calculation and information that isn't Tokyo Revengers related.

There was a thread about it (Idk if there was, but someone told me there was) that Desert Eagle is connected to TR. The problem isn't that it isn't the same verse, but the problem is that the calc was never evaluated by a CGM.

 

[CorbinMLG]

I would also add that Kakucho did a "RAAA!" before Kisaki did "Die!". Both completed their specific voice stuff. The "RAAA!" one would take time ngl. Both of these are actually pretty loud if we see that there are exclamation marks after them.

If Kakucho's scream would have triggered it then they would have pretty much started running towards Kisaki around the same time. That obviously isn't the case.

Maybe, or maybe not, it's a manga, so we can't say everything for sure.

Also, maybe, or maybe not.

Takemichi perceiving the bullets before they hit Izana is pretty clear and obvious, the Draken one is questionable yeah.

 

[CorbinMLG]

They are in the verse, Tokyo revengers and desert eagle are the same verse, its like the PTJ verse

Nothing supports that other than headcanon made up by people who put it on the verse page.

 

[RoggerReggor]

No need to wait for the anime to adapt it, the anime doesn't adapt everything correctly, The manga gives you more then enough information

The manga gives more than enough information? It doesn't. We still have to assume everything. Don't tell me you are afraid that the anime might mess up and adapt the scene which downgrades the manga feat, because if I remember correctly, you yourself were boasting about how we all are hating on the verse to make our favorite verses win, while my favorite verses are some sports anime and 2-C and above verses which I don't even care in versus battles if they win. I am into tier 9 the most because that's the only tier I know to scale lol.

 

[RoggerReggor]

If Kakucho's scream would have triggered it then they would have pretty much started running towards Kisaki around the same time. That obviously isn't the case.

Agreed, but you forgot to add something. The fact that if Izana reacted to Kakucho's scream, then it would just mean that Izana is faster than Kakucho, not that Izana is fast enough to outpace bullets.

Takemichi perceiving the bullets before they hit Izana is pretty clear and obvious, the Draken one is questionable yeah.

I said maybe because I am unsure. But yeah, I have 60% the same opinion as yours in this Takemichi reacting case ngl.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

The manga gives more than enough information? It doesn't. We still have to assume everything. Don't tell me you are afraid that the anime might mess up and adapt the scene which downgrades the manga feat, because if I remember correctly, you yourself were boasting about how we all are hating on the verse to make our favorite verses win, while my favorite verses are some sports anime and 2-C and above verses which I don't even care in versus battles if they win. I am into tier 9 the most because that's the only tier I know to scale lol.

You have to assume everything, I believe its fairly obvious what happened

 

[CorbinMLG]

Agreed, but you forgot to add something. The fact that if Izana reacted to Kakucho's scream, then it would just mean that Izana is faster than Kakucho, not that Izana is fast enough to outpace bullets.

But that doesn't really matter because that's not the case.

I said maybe because I am unsure. But yeah, I have 60% the same opinion as yours in this Takemichi reacting case ngl.

So what's the conclusion with the Draken calculation?

 

[RoggerReggor]

You have to assume everything, I believe its fairly obvious what happened

It isn't.
If it was, there wouldn't have been us arguing.

 

[RoggerReggor]

But that doesn't really matter because that's not the case.

Yes.

So what's the conclusion with the Draken calculation?

Still unsure since the real distances are not revealed. Though I agree with the Takemichi reaction case for up to 60% (40% not because it's freaking Takemichi ). For the Draken calc, I guess I will probably wait for the adaptation ngl.

My only reason for not agreeing is the inconsistencies of the verse.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

Nothing supports that other than headcanon made up by people who put it on the verse page.

There is a couple reasons, one of the reason is bugs ( Mikeys dark impulse ) Cbf explaining more atm since its 3am atm lol
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Fikriskps/Dessert_Eagle_Random_AP_Calculation this feat should be added to the page

 

[CorbinMLG]

Still unsure since the real distances are not revealed. Though I agree with the Takemichi reaction case for up to 60% (40% not because it's freaking Takemichi ). For the Draken calc, I guess I will probably wait for the adaptation ngl.

I have already calculated the distance between the tip of the gun and Draken, there shouldn't be any problems with that. You said you understand the one meter, it's the safest starting distance that we can use, there shouldn't be problems with that either. If anything the calculation should just be higher.

(40% not because it's freaking Takemichi )

He already has Supersonic perception speed for perceiving Taiju's 50% punch, this is nothing new.

My only reason for not agreeing is the inconsistencies of the verse.

What inconsistencies?

 

[CorbinMLG]

There is a couple reasons, one of the reason is bugs ( Mikeys dark impulse ) Cbf explaining more atm since its 3am atm lol

Mikey's dark impulse is caused by the curse the homeless guy put on Shinichiro. As simple as that.