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BIGGEST Tokyo Revengers Dowgrade Calculations Heheh

Please prove that Izana was running at the same time Kakucho was running, you also should prove that Izana ran faster then Kakucho and got infront of him before the gun was shot, Your stupid debunks make no sense. Instead of waiting for the anime why don't you accept that the assumptions made make perfect sense, Izana was surprised when Kakucho was shot, why would he realise Kakucho is running, Izana very obviously responded to the gun shot, stop making stupid arguments please.
First of all, I don't even have to prove anything here, because I can't, neither can any of us here. It was already said a while ago, that this feat requires an anime adaptation, and any assumptions would just result in inaccurate results for no particular reasons. It isn't like there aren't any other stimuli before the visual stimulus, and it is already argued upon a ton, you are missing the whole point. Stupid arguments? No, thank you, you are the one doing that here, showing full desperation of not getting the verse downgraded, without any good proofs. The things which you are saying are already addressed in the first page of the thread alone, and because you came late, I am not ready to go over everything again. And don't use the word "obviously" while not having any proofs. The creator himself said that he wants a calm and peaceful debate, and so do I, but you are just showing an another level of toxicity, while saying, "Oh! My verse is getting downgraded, I must protect it with my life without any proofs.". We already discussed that how there are many stimuli he can react to. And it is already argued a ton, so stop repeating the same stuff thrice (yes, thrice, by me 12 hours ago, and by Second22 all the times, and now..). You can't prove that he reacted to only the visual stimuli, we can't prove that he reacted to only auditory stimuli. We both cannot prove anything because it isn't made clear in the manga (now don't use the word "obviously" and state some non-obvious stuff). Just hold down your horses and wait for an adaptation. Also, again, I don't hate the verse, none of my granaries are getting empty if Mikey becomes supersonic+ or even hypersonic+ or even gets beyond tiering one day. Stop crying over some fictional characters.
CorbinMLG did this with less assumptions, read through his calc
CorbinMLG is still assuming the time when the things happened indirectly. It was made clear already that it would be better to wait for an adaptation.
 
Okay, the people arguing for Tokyo revengers know nothing about powerscaling can we just end this thread for this reason

If people can move at supersonic speed it doesn't mean they always do move at this speed, an example is in Naruto, Ninjas run even though they can move at massively hypersonic + speeds and ftl speed, so because they don't consistently move at this speed should we debunk the verse to peak human speed because inconsistency's ?
Whatever the ninjas you are talking about, they have proofs for their speeds, while TR doesn't, so the inconsistencies are noticed more. I even said it before, stop going over the same crap again and again.
 
Which season
S2 (Tokyo Revengers: Christmas Showdown)

I will even give you time stamps:
Church pew thrown at Yuzuha: 18:36 (Episode 6)
Church pew thrown at Takemichi: 2:57 (Episode 7)

Yes, and in both, the fragmentation is not whole
 
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Vapourrrrr You should stop using profanity before you get banned. Why do I always have this problems talking to TKR supporters? It's so annoying.
1. I don't have to explain why its wrong, Somebody used it and calculated thats the feat was below average human lifting strength that should be enough proof
The first calculation I did was Average Human. It depends on the weight being thrown, it's not unreasonable, I just used the weight that KLOL told me to use, and that's not to say that using KE is incorrect.
4. miscalculation in what ? My small building level scale ?
I meant the calculation I was talking about. This topic has nothing to do with explosions. If you want to upgrade, go make a thread yourself. I don't want to discuss that issue in this thread.
Thats just stupid dude, You guys have the worst speculations, why would Izana move at the same time Kakucho moved there's no reason, read the manga again its obvious what stimulated him was the gun shot, also you guys are assume he ran faster then Kakucho, I don't get your bs claims, the Izana gun feat should be upgraded to hypersonic not downgraded to subsonic
Do you have any rebuttal other than "stupid"? I don't see any reason why he would run seven meters from that spot when the gun fired similarly. You also don't have clear evidence that he came from that spot as well. This is not about assuming is "stupid," but rather an unclear situation that should not be used.
Shouldn't what he said be taken more importantly ? I may have not understood it correctly but did he say why didn't Mikey chase Kisaki if he's supersonic +, shouldn't this show that this guy knows nothing about power scaling since he thinks that if characters can move at a certain speed, if they don't move at that speed then they are likely not that speed and should be downgraded and recalced

I may have completely misunderstood his point though, but if what I said is true then this crt should end because its stupid
You don't understand even what I'm trying to convey. Please go read and interpret the message I wrote again.
Difference is that one is 100% Plot-Induced Stupidity while the other can't be proven to be one.
Sometimes characters do things that don't make sense, and that's Plot-Induced Stupidity. So, let me ask why did Draken not push the gun from his hand from the first shot, instead he let it go for three shots? Why, when he's fast enough to do it, is the timeframe of shooting three shots relatively long for a character at Supersonic+ level?
 
We already discussed that how there are many stimuli he can react to. And it is already argued a ton, so stop repeating the same stuff thrice (yes, thrice, by me 12 hours ago, and by Second22 all the times, and now..). You can't prove that he reacted to only the visual stimuli, we can't prove that he reacted to only auditory stimuli.
We narrowed it down to just one auditory stimuli, and since it's right before the visual stimuli we could possibly compromise.

CorbinMLG is still assuming the time when the things happened indirectly. It was made clear already that it would be better to wait for an adaptation.
If Takemichi could perceive faster bullets, how could Draken not perceive slower bullets? You could even make an argument for the random delinquents to have comparable perception speed to Takemichi. Him not seeing the bullets and just jumping in front of Takemichi without seeing anything is actually inconsistent.
 
Whatever the ninjas you are talking about, they have proofs for their speeds, while TR doesn't, so the inconsistencies are noticed more. I even said it before, stop going over the same crap again and again.
Tokyo revengers has proof for their speed ? Naruto speed is also based off calculations, stop saying its inconsistent when your just wrong, this again shows the bias of this thread
 
We narrowed it down to just one auditory stimuli, and since it's right before the visual stimuli we could possibly compromise.
After reading it more and more times, I realized that Kisaki's "DIE!" still isn't as effective as Kakucho's "RAAA!". The "RAAA!" covers like a lot of the panel, and also is written in big letters, it can even be argued to have the same energy as a sound effect ngl.
If Takemichi could perceive faster bullets, how could Draken not perceive slower bullets? You could even make an argument for the random delinquents to have comparable perception speed to Takemichi. Him not seeing the bullets and just jumping in front of Takemichi without seeing anything is actually inconsistent.
I know bruh, there's no argument over who can perceive what, it's an argument over why to assume that when did things happen. We don't know when did Takemichi close his eyes and when did Draken come into play. Basically, what's the point of all this is to wait for an adaptation. We are not doing a victory-defeat thing, we are just arguing over the past calcs and why they don't seem correct unless there's an adaptation, it's a win-win for both, even if the anime messes it up or it doesn't mess it up.
 
Vapourrrrr You should stop using profanity before you get banned. Why do I always have this problems talking to TKR supporters? It's so annoying.

The first calculation I did was Average Human. It depends on the weight being thrown, it's not unreasonable, I just used the weight that KLOL told me to use, and that's not to say that using KE is incorrect.

I meant the calculation I was talking about. This topic has nothing to do with explosions. If you want to upgrade, go make a thread yourself. I don't want to discuss that issue in this thread.

Do you have any rebuttal other than "stupid"? I don't see any reason why he would run seven meters from that spot when the gun fired similarly. You also don't have clear evidence that he came from that spot as well. This is not about assuming is "stupid," but rather an unclear situation that should not be used.

You don't understand even what I'm trying to convey. Please go read and interpret the message I wrote again.

Sometimes characters do things that don't make sense, and that's Plot-Induced Stupidity. So, let me ask why did Draken not push the gun from his hand from the first shot, instead he let it go for three shots? Why, when he's fast enough to do it, is the timeframe of shooting three shots relatively long for a character at Supersonic+ level?
When have I used profanity, stop trying to get me banned for disproving your points

1. Still the calc is wrong, I did it with the actual weight of the bench and got a score that was below the weight of the church pew itself, so using KE obviously does not work
2. Okay
3. Yes, CorbinMLG and Morrishatesyou already gave you guys multiple reasons, you guys just choose to ignore it because of pure ignorance to the fact that the Izana debunk is just wrong and can NOT be used
4. Explain your message in more detail
5. For plot, its not stupidity it just adds to the story, I also want to focus less on speed and more on AP because im not good at speed so take my points lightly
 
Tokyo revengers has proof for their speed ?
Already argued for the thousandth time that we are just arguing over the calcs so just shut up and stop saying that it has proofs when you are failing to state any.
Naruto speed is also based off calculations, stop saying its inconsistent when your just wrong, this again shows the bias of this thread
Naruto's speed is based off calculations which don't have arguments and stuff like TR calcs. I am wrong? I am not. And you are again back to saying we are biased.
 
Im talking about the second bench
Yeah I checked the second bench, it actually appears in Episode 6.

And no, I don't buy the second bench near Yuzuha completely shattering. The rest of the pieces missing here can safely be attributed to the bench just going missing and the fragments being the remnants of the side hole that the church bench suffered, because in Episode 7 when another bench is hurled we clearly see the damage being caused to be not of "completely fragmented like broken glass".
 
Already argued for the thousandth time that we are just arguing over the calcs so just shut up and stop saying that it has proofs when you are failing to state any.

Naruto's speed is based off calculations which don't have arguments and stuff like TR calcs. I am wrong? I am not. And you are again back to saying we are biased.
1. subsonic is a baseline, from the Mikey kicks Taiju feat
2. Ofcourse Naruto calculations have arguments lol what
 
When have I used profanity, stop trying to get me banned for disproving your points
You are not disproving; you are just saying words like "stupid" and "biased" to sound legitimate when you ultimately aren't even arguing well. CorbinMLG and MorrisHatesYou were actually doing arguments well and in a well-mannered way. You are only bringing toxicity here.
1. Still the calc is wrong, I did it with the actual weight of the bench and got a score that was below the weight of the church pew itself, so using KE obviously does not work
The actual weight of the bench according to you is around 156 kg lol, and you put a "(lowball)" when it isn't even it.
Through pixel scale, I found out that the bench is around 12.3144197 feet wide. If 98 lbs church pew is 7 feet, then the 12.3144197 feet one should be 12.3144197*98/7 = 172.401876 lbs = 78.2001755 kg. Not something like 156 kg xD.
3. Yes, CorbinMLG and Morrishatesyou already gave you guys multiple reasons, you guys just choose to ignore it because of pure ignorance to the fact that the Izana debunk is just wrong and can NOT be used
We never ignored them bruh, we have always been arguing and you are the one who's missing the point. Stop bringing toxicity here.
 
Yeah I checked the second bench, it actually appears in Episode 6.

And no, I don't buy the second bench near Yuzuha completely shattering. The rest of the pieces missing here can safely be attributed to the bench just going missing and the fragments being the remnants of the side hole that the church bench suffered, because in Episode 7 when another bench is hurled we clearly see the damage being caused to be not of "completely fragmented like broken glass".
So then why was this feat accepted when it was nowhere near close to being fragmented like glass, stop being weird about it the Church pew was oboviously fragmented more then 25 percent
 
You are not disproving; you are just saying words like "stupid" and "biased" to sound legitimate when you ultimately aren't even arguing well. CorbinMLG and MorrisHatesYou were actually doing arguments well and in a well-mannered way. You are only bringing toxicity here.

The actual weight of the bench according to you is around 156 kg lol, and you put a "(lowball)" when it isn't even it.
Through pixel scale, I found out that the bench is around 12.3144197 feet wide. If 98 lbs church pew is 7 feet, then the 12.3144197 feet one should be 12.3144197*98/7 = 172.401876 lbs = 78.2001755 kg. Not something like 156 kg xD.

We never ignored them bruh, we have always been arguing and you are the one who's missing the point. Stop bringing toxicity here.
1. Okay so this made me giggle, I pixel scaled the bench so you didn't look through my calc, obviously you didn't take the time to look at the clip and realise that the church pews are going in ascending order so the church pews at the back are smaller then the ones at the front, I pixel scaled the ascending order and found out the length of the Pew Taiju threw because in the anime, the studio removed the pew Taiju threw from scenes, the Pew was 17 foot long, Your also using an incredibly skinny pew for your KG, the pew I used is 14 foot long so again I am lowballing the weight of the pew, The pew I used also looked more similar width wise and looked much more suited to be used compared to a 7 foot bench which looks to be 2 inches thick, so again please read through my calculation before making wrong assumptions and statements
 
Wrong, it wasn't fragmented anywhere close to 25%. This isn't remotely the same as the wrecking ball feat.
Yes because Taiju's feat has much more fragmentation, dude I don't think you realise that afterwards you could barely see any wood left because it was badly pulverised
 
Yes because Taiju's feat has much more fragmentation, dude I don't think you realise that afterwards you could barely see any wood left because it was badly pulverised
Do you even know what pulverization is? It's called "TURNING SHIT INTO NOTHING BUT DUST AND LEAVING NO TANGIBLE FRAGMENTS BEHIND".
 
Do you even know what pulverization is? It's called "TURNING SHIT INTO NOTHING BUT DUST AND LEAVING NO TANGIBLE FRAGMENTS BEHIND".
Then it was fragmented, I used fragmentation in my calc, there is also an argument for pulverisation but I wont get into that
 
1. Okay so this made me giggle, I pixel scaled the bench so you didn't look through my calc, obviously you didn't take the time to look at the clip and realise that the church pews are going in ascending order so the church pews at the back are smaller then the ones at the front, I pixel scaled the ascending order and found out the length of the Pew Taiju threw because in the anime, the studio removed the pew Taiju threw from scenes, the Pew was 17 foot long, Your also using an incredibly skinny pew for your KG, the pew I used is 14 foot long so again I am lowballing the weight of the pew, The pew I used also looked more similar width wise and looked much more suited to be used compared to a 7 foot bench which looks to be 2 inches thick, so again please read through my calculation before making wrong assumptions and statements
To avoid POV scales, I scaled the one which was the nearest to Takemichi. The result is around 12.3144197 foot only xD.
Also, stop with skinny and non-skinny stuff. The church pew used by us as an example is higher in height than the one in the verse, so that equalizes everything lol. The pew in the verse is only 47.8625954 cm = 18.8435415 inches high, while the one used by us is 33 inches high.
Also, with 14 foot, it would be 14*98/7 = 196 lbs = 88.9041045 kg which still is not near 156 kg xD.
 
To avoid POV scales, I scaled the one which was the nearest to Takemichi. The result is around 12.3144197 foot only xD.
Also, stop with skinny and non-skinny stuff. The church pew used by us as an example is higher in height than the one in the verse, so that equalizes everything lol. The pew in the verse is only 47.8625954 cm = 18.8435415 inches high, while the one used by us is 33 inches high.
Also, with 14 foot, it would be 14*98/7 = 196 lbs = 88.9041045 kg which still is not near 156 kg xD.
Did you read what I said, The church pew you scaled is massively smaller since the church pews move in ascending order, stop trying to argue for something you should know is completely correct
Just because its higher in height does not mean it equalises anything, also I never saw a pixel scale on the height of the pew, using the pew I found is much more reliable as it looks most similar to the one Taiju trew
 
Vapourrrrr You should stop using profanity before you get banned. Why do I always have this problems talking to TKR supporters? It's so annoying.

The first calculation I did was Average Human. It depends on the weight being thrown, it's not unreasonable, I just used the weight that KLOL told me to use, and that's not to say that using KE is incorrect.

I meant the calculation I was talking about. This topic has nothing to do with explosions. If you want to upgrade, go make a thread yourself. I don't want to discuss that issue in this thread.

Do you have any rebuttal other than "stupid"? I don't see any reason why he would run seven meters from that spot when the gun fired similarly. You also don't have clear evidence that he came from that spot as well. This is not about assuming is "stupid," but rather an unclear situation that should not be used.

You don't understand even what I'm trying to convey. Please go read and interpret the message I wrote again.

Sometimes characters do things that don't make sense, and that's Plot-Induced Stupidity. So, let me ask why did Draken not push the gun from his hand from the first shot, instead he let it go for three shots? Why, when he's fast enough to do it, is the timeframe of shooting three shots relatively long for a character at Supersonic+ level?
Man I really am having cloudyagami flash backs 💀
 
To avoid POV scales, I scaled the one which was the nearest to Takemichi. The result is around 12.3144197 foot only xD.
Also, stop with skinny and non-skinny stuff. The church pew used by us as an example is higher in height than the one in the verse, so that equalizes everything lol. The pew in the verse is only 47.8625954 cm = 18.8435415 inches high, while the one used by us is 33 inches high.
Also, with 14 foot, it would be 14*98/7 = 196 lbs = 88.9041045 kg which still is not near 156 kg xD.
@Vapourrrrr Also, the platform sheet is 10.8349898 cm = 4.26574402 inches.

The platform sheet in your case would be 4.26574402*18.8435415*14 = 1125.34414 sq.in
While the one we chose would be 2.5*33*14 = 1155 sq.in

So, stop saying that our chosen one is skinnier because we are still giving a 55 sq.in more even when both have the same width. So, stop crying about that.
 
Man I really am having cloudyagami flash backs 💀
Why do you keep bringing up cloud yagami, I haven't used profanity so I don't get why you guys are complaining since KLOL is using saying things like "what the **** am I looking at" Stop being weird about it
 
@Vapourrrrr Also, the platform sheet is 10.8349898 cm = 4.26574402 inches.

The platform sheet in your case would be 4.26574402*18.8435415*14 = 1125.34414 sq.in
While the one we chose would be 2.5*33*14 = 1155 sq.in

So, stop saying that our chosen one is skinnier because we are still giving a 55 sq.in more even when both have the same width. So, stop crying about that.
The one you used is still 7 foot, using a 14 foot one makes more sense especially because it looks more similar to the one Taiju threw which is 17 foot long
 
Did you read what I said, The church pew you scaled is massively smaller since the church pews move in ascending order, stop trying to argue for something you should know is completely correct
Just because its higher in height does not mean it equalises anything, also I never saw a pixel scale on the height of the pew, using the pew I found is much more reliable as it looks most similar to the one Taiju trew
Did you fricking read what I said and used your own calcs to scale it? You said the church pew we used is around 2-3 inches thick, fine, I used 2.5 inches thickness as average of what you suggested. And in my previous message, I even showed how we are basically still being more generous xD.
 
The one you used is still 7 foot, using a 14 foot one makes more sense especially because it looks more similar to the one Taiju threw which is 17 foot long
Boi, I said if both have the same width, ours still takes the treat.

Also, the one Taiju threw is not 17 feet, the dude brought out the figures straight from nowhere. Show me a pixel scale which shows it's 17 feet long. 🥲
 
1. Still the calc is wrong, I did it with the actual weight of the bench and got a score that was below the weight of the church pew itself, so using KE obviously does not work
That's just arguing about weight, which is not related to KE. You can change the weight, but the KE remains the same. Actually, I explained quite thoroughly why DV cannot be used. You just want to use DV because it makes the energy higher. The only factor that is not taken into account is Taiju's throwing. Please go back and read in the OP.

4. Explain your message in more detail
Nope.

Other parts, RoggerReggor has provided answers on behalf of me already. Thanks buddy.
 
Why do you keep bringing up cloud yagami, I haven't used profanity so I don't get why you guys are complaining since KLOL is using saying things like "what the **** am I looking at" Stop being weird about it
I never heard the word "biased" or "stupid" or "useless thread" from anyone before you came.
 
Did you fricking read what I said and used your own calcs to scale it? You said the church pew we used is around 2-3 inches thick, fine, I used 2.5 inches thickness as average of what you suggested. And in my previous message, I even showed how we are basically still being more generous xD.
I said it was 2 inches thick, I take that back, I think it was 1 inch thick as the one Taiju threw looks to be 3 + inches thich

Again you missing my point, The church pew that you pixel scaled is much smaller then the one Taiju threw, please look at my calc where I explain it
 
That's just arguing about weight, which is not related to KE. You can change the weight, but the KE remains the same. Actually, I explained quite thoroughly why DV cannot be used. You just want to use DV because it makes the energy higher. The only factor that is not taken into account is Taiju's throwing. Please go back and read in the OP.


Nope.

Other parts, RoggerReggor has provided answers on behalf of me already. Thanks buddy.
1. You used cloud yagami's highball calc to "prove" using destruction values is wrong so your reasoning is bad, You also used a concrete block, if you break a concrete block by throwing it the pieces will only be fragmented slightly, The gravity argument I get but its stupid as gravity is not completely destroying the Pew ( I mean its not a large factor to the fragmentation of the pew ) Taiju threw it with enough force that he fragmented the pew enough so that there was nothing left of it in the clips afterwards, I don't understand how you think the feat was 0.2 KJ, this means you think a human punch is stronger then the fragmentation that was clearly cause mostly by Taiju, read through your calcs, it makes 0 sense
 
I said it was 2 inches thick, I take that back, I think it was 1 inch thick as the one Taiju threw looks to be 3 + inches thich
The dude's changing colors faster than Mikey turned Dark Impulse. 😭 Stop with assumption part already, I already calculated how big is TR church pew and also ours.
Again you missing my point, The church pew that you pixel scaled is much smaller then the one Taiju threw, please look at my calc where I explain it
Your pixel scale is pure garbage tbh. You are trying to scale it higher xD. You should take the one nearest to Takemichi if you are using Takemichi in respect. Otherwise, you will have to apply POV formulas, which I don't think you would like to do.

I scaled your pixel scale and found out that Takemichi is only 139 px (And the pew would be only 377.482014 cm = 12.3845805 feet, not 17 bruh). But even better was done by my in my previous pixel scale lol. You basically scaled it up to 1000 px which is bad since you aren't doing proper ratio scaling. You say the pew is 17 feet long when originally, it is only 12.3845805 feet long bruh. Stop doing joining type calcs lol, when the previous pew has ended, there's no need to extend it.
 
Again using KE is wrong, How do you think the church pew is below average lifting strength its wild and insane to me
Taiju didn't throw it as 100 m/s or smth, it is visually around 4-5 m/s lol. And also, it didn't even fragment entirely as addressed by KLOL.
 
1. You used cloud yagami's highball calc to "prove" using destruction values is wrong so your reasoning is bad, You also used a concrete block, if you break a concrete block by throwing it the pieces will only be fragmented slightly, The gravity argument I get but its stupid as gravity is not completely destroying the Pew ( I mean its not a large factor to the fragmentation of the pew ) Taiju threw it with enough force that he fragmented the pew enough so that there was nothing left of it in the clips afterwards, I don't understand how you think the feat was 0.2 KJ, this means you think a human punch is stronger then the fragmentation that was clearly cause mostly by Taiju, read through your calcs, it makes 0 sense
Nothing left means he vaporized it? 👀

Building level calc fr fr.

Bro stop saying "nothing left", "nothing left". Nothing was left because there was nothing left in the studio's budget that they couldn't even animate it. At the time of fragmentation, the pew even stopped moving further, and only fragments around 100s of cc big flew outwards, nothing more.
 
The dude's changing colors faster than Mikey turned Dark Impulse. 😭 Stop with assumption part already, I already calculated how big is TR church pew and also ours.

Your pixel scale is pure garbage tbh. You are trying to scale is higher xD. You should take the one nearest to Takemichi if you are using Takemichi in respect. Otherwise, you will have to apply POV formulas, which I don't think you would like to do.

I scaled your pixel scale and found out that Takemichi is only 139 px (And the pew would be only 377.482014 cm = 12.3845805 feet, not 17 bruh). But even better was done by my in my previous pixel scale lol. You basically scaled it up to 1000 px which is bad since you aren't doing proper ratio scaling. You say the pew is 17 feet long when originally, it is only 12.3845805 feet long bruh. Stop doing joining type calcs lol, when the previous pew has ended, there's no need to extend it.
1. No you didn't you calculated a pew that was much much much smaller
2. Are you okay ? I Takemichi is only 139 pixels you would also have to rescale the church pew again, also I got 11 foot for the pew you scaled, YOU HAVE TO REALISE SOMETHING THOUGH.. The pew Taiju threw is much bigger then the one you pixel scaled, Just look at the image you will see that the pews increase in size every single pew which is why I got 17 foot, stop being weird about this when your just plain wrong
 
Taiju didn't throw it as 100 m/s or smth, it is visually around 4-5 m/s lol. And also, it didn't even fragment entirely as addressed by KLOL
He did fragment it alot as in the clips after you could barley see the pieces of the pew stop arguing over this when your completely wrong, KLOL is in a world of his own, he's simultaneously talking about the Yuzuha clips and Takemichi so Idk what he's on about
 
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