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Also, y'all gotta love how the supporting side is still treating every single debunked feat in this thread as if they weren't debunked, and still were relevant and acceptable for scaling, whislt practically ignoring everything that genuinely and quantifiably happens in the games themselves to create the illusio of consistency where there is none.
When you present the claim that: "Mundus effortlessly created a universe and the demon world collapsed when he died, Argosax was uniting two halves of the universe into one with his power, Nightmare created a dimension with a sun and the Savior has many dimensions with suns and moons inside itself" to a person who is unfamiliar with the series, then of course it's going to appear consistent.
... But here's the thing, only to people who haven't played the series. That's the key here, that's the game being played, merely appearing convincing so you can eventually win through sheer numbers. This is also why the supposed number of "supporters" keeps being brought up every 50 posts or so as a sort of pseudo-checkmate argument.
Which in itself is merely a fallacy of the most classical kind and worth absolute bugger all in a serious, logical debate.
Instead, let us deconstruct the claims:
Dante as a character has been repeatedly stated to have matched or even surpassed his father since the start of Devil May Cry 1, where he is stated to have a potential greater than Sparda, and ultimately defeating Mundus with a combination of Sparda's power along with his own. By the type of the anime and the novel, he is defeating Mundus on his own, casually stomping Sparda's greatest apprentices, and defeated another demon whose strength nears that of Mundus with ease. And by Devil May Cry 2? There he is defeated a rival of Sparda in base, and later defeated Argosax, who is stronger than Mundus, in base as well.
So why on Earth is Dante suddenly only allowed to be stronger than his daddy in Devil May Cry 5? I'll tell you why: It's because were the correct scaling to be accepted, the absurdity of "3-A Dante" as a claim would be all the more apparent.
Dante by himself has never literally done a feat that would be higher than Tier 8. His literal best feat is stopping the Savior's arm with some effort, a feat that was calculated years ago in the OBD as being between Building and Multi-City Block level.
With the added bonus of scaling, Dante however benefits from more, such as scaling from numerous demons who can affect the weather on a large scale, demons such as Mundus who can create a small island and have it collapse with his defeat, the Savior himself who was laying waste to many city blocks with his eye beams, Abigail who was affecting clouds and whatnot with a portal (Again, a God-Tier Demon relying on a portal to connect the realms, much like Sparda, the OG Badass Mofo of the franchise needing both assistance, sacrifice, and preparation to seal Temen-Ni-Gru), and finally the whole deal with the Big 'Effin Tree in Devil May Cry 5.
Note what all of these feats have in common: None of them come even gigalightyears close of universal. Yes, even those performed by the God Tiers.
April Fools must have arrived late, because Universal Devil May Cry is one of the worst proposed upgrades in the history of the wiki.
When you present the claim that: "Mundus effortlessly created a universe and the demon world collapsed when he died, Argosax was uniting two halves of the universe into one with his power, Nightmare created a dimension with a sun and the Savior has many dimensions with suns and moons inside itself" to a person who is unfamiliar with the series, then of course it's going to appear consistent.
... But here's the thing, only to people who haven't played the series. That's the key here, that's the game being played, merely appearing convincing so you can eventually win through sheer numbers. This is also why the supposed number of "supporters" keeps being brought up every 50 posts or so as a sort of pseudo-checkmate argument.
Which in itself is merely a fallacy of the most classical kind and worth absolute bugger all in a serious, logical debate.
Instead, let us deconstruct the claims:
- There is absolutely zero, quantifiable, verifiable evidence that Mundus created the dimension in which his fight with Dante happened at the end of Devil May Cry. There is also, in fact, no confirmation of it being a universe save for a one-word tweet by a trolling creator who had been constantly pestered with "Who Would Win" questions for years, and who would respond to most of them with variants of "Ask your mom", "F*ck you", or outright calling the fans questioning "Insects".
- The claim that the Underworld collapsed when Mundus died is absurd, and directly contradicted by every following installment in the series which shows that the Underworld being perfectly fine. Likewise, the claim only comes from a third-party guidebook created by Bradygames which was merely approved by Capcom, but did not share the game's writers. The person who wrote the guidebook likely mistook Mallet Island collapsing with the Underworld collapsing.
- The statements of Argosax merging the Demon World and the Human World all come from Arius, a villain who is characterized as delusional and megalomaniacal, and who rants that absorbing Argosax' power will transform him into "An all-powerful immortal!", among other things. Likewise, the warping which occurs in game is demonstrably not the full extent of Arius' intended ambitions, with it only resulting in weird vortex and clouds in the sky, and the closer proximity between the worlds allowing more demons to swarm into Earth, and even Argosax himself ultimately only comes through a portal created at the center of said vortex. The notion that Argosax literally, and physically merged two separate universes is outright inane, and by far the most high-balled interpretation of Arius' ambiguous statements.
- Nightmare's Mirror World does not, in fact, possess any sun, and really just has a swirling vortex in the sky. Aside from the fact that the demon is literally an incarnation of nightmares who fights his enemies by taking them into worlds filled with their subconscious fears, thus putting extreme doubts into the dimension even being real, it is at best only the size of Mallet Island.
- The Savior's "dimensions" are by far the absolute worse, with said dimensions only being attested as even existing in a single line from a guidebook, which describes Nero going through a "nightmarish recreation" of a past area. There is absolutely no elaboration on what these are, who created them, where did they come from, what connection that they have with the Savior, and if they are literally physically inside him (and if so, how is this possible) or if alternatively, they are merely connected to him and Nero is simply transported. And if they vanished with the Savior's destruction.
Dante as a character has been repeatedly stated to have matched or even surpassed his father since the start of Devil May Cry 1, where he is stated to have a potential greater than Sparda, and ultimately defeating Mundus with a combination of Sparda's power along with his own. By the type of the anime and the novel, he is defeating Mundus on his own, casually stomping Sparda's greatest apprentices, and defeated another demon whose strength nears that of Mundus with ease. And by Devil May Cry 2? There he is defeated a rival of Sparda in base, and later defeated Argosax, who is stronger than Mundus, in base as well.
So why on Earth is Dante suddenly only allowed to be stronger than his daddy in Devil May Cry 5? I'll tell you why: It's because were the correct scaling to be accepted, the absurdity of "3-A Dante" as a claim would be all the more apparent.
Dante by himself has never literally done a feat that would be higher than Tier 8. His literal best feat is stopping the Savior's arm with some effort, a feat that was calculated years ago in the OBD as being between Building and Multi-City Block level.
With the added bonus of scaling, Dante however benefits from more, such as scaling from numerous demons who can affect the weather on a large scale, demons such as Mundus who can create a small island and have it collapse with his defeat, the Savior himself who was laying waste to many city blocks with his eye beams, Abigail who was affecting clouds and whatnot with a portal (Again, a God-Tier Demon relying on a portal to connect the realms, much like Sparda, the OG Badass Mofo of the franchise needing both assistance, sacrifice, and preparation to seal Temen-Ni-Gru), and finally the whole deal with the Big 'Effin Tree in Devil May Cry 5.
Note what all of these feats have in common: None of them come even gigalightyears close of universal. Yes, even those performed by the God Tiers.
April Fools must have arrived late, because Universal Devil May Cry is one of the worst proposed upgrades in the history of the wiki.
nly rant about your disbelief of feats and took events out of context or left out information already provided above.
