Maybe a DMC2, DMC4 and DMC5 Characters Upgrade

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Yeah looking mofe into it. Argosax Arius scan to vague for bolverk tier. It would be whem dmc2 waa made as he is explaining the design choice made when making dmc2

So it's bassically mundus, argosax, nightmare, bolverk, pluto
He can be below the demon kings and bolverk but above nightmare and scan would still be true. As arius would be top 5 strongest demons (still one of the strongest ones) or top 6 If we still put nightmare>

I can name the top 10 and no one looks draconic/humanoid and at least half of those aren't DK tier.

I disagree with Arius scaling remotely higher than he does

 

[Mister6ame6]

The dragon Dante's summons agaist Mundus should count for that imo

We have a Dragon Demon portrayed as DK tier

 

[chosen]

I can name the top 10 and no one looks draconic/humanoid and at least half of those aren't DK tier.

I disagree with Arius scaling remotely higher than he does

I get what You mean jist saying arous being above everyone at the time dmc2 was made besides dk tiers, nightmare and Bolverk wouldn't contradict him being top tier and not tirr 2

The dragon Dante's summons agaist Mundus should count for that imo

We have a Dragon Demon portrayed as DK tier

Man **** puff

 

[Mister6ame6]

I get what You mean jist saying arous being above everyone at the time dmc2 was made besides dk tiers, nightmare and Bolverk wouldn't contradict him being top tier and not tirr 2

This guidebook is talking with DMC1, DMC2, DMC3 and DMC4 in mind, so everithin from this game is covered in that statement

Nah if the devs called Arius-Argosax one of the strongest demons, it wiuld include Bolverk since he was there in DMC2 events and they never mention Bolverk being one of the strongest there in the guidebook

Man **** puff

Hey if the argument is legit why not? XD

 

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This guidebook is talking with DMC1, DMC2, DMC3 and DMC4 in mind, so everithin from this game is covered in that statement

No. It's talking about what hr un mind when he designed him. So 3 and 4 aren't included

Nah if the devs called Arius-Argosax one of the strongest demons, it wiuld include Bolverk since he was there in DMC2 events and they never mention Bolverk being one of the strongest there in the guidebook

So? Bolverk descriptions just focus on his odin origins and him being defeated by sparda not his design

 

[Mister6ame6]

No. It's talking about what hr un mind when he designed him. So 3 and 4 aren't included

And yeah, he was talking about DMC1 and DMC2 when he mention that my bad there

So? Bolverk descriptions just focus on his odin origins and him being defeated by sparda not his design

Yeap, but the fact that they say that about Arius-Argosax being the strongest but not bolverk in the guidebook tells who they wanna says is the strongest in DMC2 events

 

[chosen]

Yeap, but the fact that they say that about Arius-Argosax being the strongest but not bolverk in the guidebook tells who they wanna says is the strongest in DMC2 events

Welp they also don't explain the reason behind bolverk design. They only focus on how he is odin Something they love to subtly reference trough the whole game

 

[Mister6ame6]

Royal Bump

 

[Mister6ame6]

Also if we accept AP=Speed=Hax would that the guardians that helped seal Argosax and the other people that helped seal the others Demon Kings be Demon King levels?

Since even thouth teckinically it was a combined effort of multiple people, but it still would require them to be at least on DK tier because of that lower tier demons would be unable to create seals power enouth even if they combine forces to stop a Demon King

 

[Random-Helper323]

Also if we accept AP=Speed=Hax would that the guardians that helped seal Argosax and the other people that helped seal the others Demon Kings be Demon King levels?

Since even thouth teckinically it was a combined effort of multiple people, but it still would require them to be at least on DK tier because of that lower tier demons would be unable to create seals power enouth even if they combine forces to stop a Demon King

We don't know how much was done by Sparda, how much of their help was in providing the artifacts, how many of them there were or how many of them died in the process, whether Matier was far stronger back then, or whether there was someone more powerful back then who isn't around anymore.

 

[Mister6ame6]

We don't know how much was done by Sparda, how much of their help was in providing the artifacts, how many of them there were or how many of them died in the process, whether Matier was far stronger back then, or whether there was someone more powerful back then who isn't around anymore.

I mean there still considered important to seal Argosax away along with the others people helping Sparda seal away the others Demon Kings as a group of few people, low bailing them to baseline Demon King level is reasonable imo

Also after days checking for the raws of the DMC5 Nico's Report, i'm was alble to get the raws to Balrog's weapon profile

They say Balrog was a far more powerull Demon Lord in the fire hell them his predessor (Berial o course)

That's don't prove theckincaly that Balrog is DK level of course, but still prove that Balrog>>>>>Berial which still good imo

 

[Random-Helper323]

I mean there still considered important to seal Argosax away along with the others people helping Sparda seal away the others Demon Kings as a group of few people, low bailing them to baseline Demon King level is reasonable imo

What if the people who provided that strength are weaker now or no longer exist, or if their input was to provide knowledge or materials?

Also after days checking for the raws of the DMC5 Nico's Report, i'm was alble to get the raws to Balrog's weapon profile

They say Balrog was a far more powerull Demon Lord in the fire hell them his predessor (Berial o course)

That's don't prove theckincaly that Balrog is DK level of course, but still prove that Balrog>>>>>Berial which still good imo

Stronger than Berial isn't saying all that much. His superiority to Lucia is far more noteworthy.

 

[Mister6ame6]

What if the people who provided that strength are weaker now or no longer exist, or if their input was to provide knowledge or materials?

They say that narrative the guardians clan helped Sparda's seal Argosax away

They are talking about them in plural and do no mention one of them individualy being stronger or weaker them the others ones

Its safe to say they are comparable untill prove otherwise

Stronger than Berial isn't saying all that much. His superiority to Lucia is far more noteworthy.

Yeap, but Tony trie to use that to say Balrog is weaker them Berial up to DMC4 events as the raws shows he was stronger them when he took his place as the new fire lord

Agree with Lucia part tho

 

[Random-Helper323]

They say that narrative the guardians clan helped Sparda's seal Argosax away

They are talking about them in plural and do no mention one of them individualy being stronger or weaker them the others ones

Lady helped Dante face Arkham by giving him the Kalina Ann, and Trish helped Dante beat an exhausted Mundus. Neither of them compares in terms of power. We don't know what exactly they did, whether their strongest members died, whether Matier was stronger back then, and so on.

Yeap, but Tony trie to use that to say Balrog is weaker them Berial up to DMC4 events as the raws shows he was stronger them when he took his place as the new fire lord

Well, he wasn't the lord back when Berial was around, so at that time Berial might have been stronger. He gained his power by getting a fragment of Yamato after all.