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Yeah, it contains rejected creations, but how does that qualify for 6-D? I don't agree with it.
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Elaine, Michael, Lucifer, and the Presence Possible 1-C upgrade.
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Creation - 5D
Heaven - 6D
Mansion of silence is stated to be beyond heaven which is 6D
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How creation is 5-D?
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Because it contains the dreaming and dream is Low 1-C
LuciferX
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Lmao. I think you don't understand Reality > Dream transcendence. Creation doesn't contain "dream". Creation is a dream compared to the dreamer who is DP.
That only makes DP Low 1-C not creation.
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bro...why are you still talking about Jm's cosmology?? im talking about vertigo
this is vertigo, not Dematteis
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Scan for Creation contain the dreaming? Sorry, I never remembered any dreaming thing in vertigo, so just thought this's DM's CRT lol.
Are you referring to dream's realm? If so, still the same result.
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Its very confusing, you can ask toddler about it.
bro the literal title is called elaine michael lucifer upgrade
No, because dream is the embodiment of the dreaming and he's Low 1-C
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The problem with this is that Lucifer destroying Logos with a touch and being above silver city is still a 6D (Low 1-C feat). So it should be something like this
Tier: Low 1-C | 1-C
Low Complex Multiverse Level (Was granted by his father, Yahweh, a power as great as his. More powerful than Dream of the Endless. Superior to the Host of Heaven and the Silver City. Destroyed the Logos with a touch) | Complex Multiverse Level (Comparable to godhead Elaine who contains Michael's powers)
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isnt this also an upgrade for mazikeen
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5D and 6D are in the same their for Low 1-C. It doesn't need transcendence because it goes by the same rule of logic. The Mansions is after the same as SC but in turn, it has an infinite amount of Creation. 5D + infinite = 6D.
Lucifer and the Presence transcend those two giving theme QS over both so they should be rated as 1-C.
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The Dreaming is outside the world but it's still within Creation. Beyond the Dreaming is the Abyss where the Silver City lies.
The Dreaming and Dream see one and Dream came as Yahweh made Creation. The Dreaming is the opposite of Reality and thus came as it did. It does not transcend Creation but is still contained within it. Without Reality, the Dreaming is nothing, and without the Dreaming, Reality is nothing.
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5D + infinite isn't 6D.
Wdym by contain dream? That's Reality > Dream Transcendence in simple terms but it never upscale the reality/dream, only the dreamer or the realm dreamer resides.
Ok
Replying to both at same time.
Yes.
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In the same tier would you need to be infinite across the two dimensions. When you include transcendence based on QS then it goes to the next tier which would be 1-C. 5D and 6D arent in separate tiers and you need to be transcendent of Low 1-C to be 1-C. The only way that works based on the tier being transcendent of 6D.
You look at tiering first then the basis of which it goes in-depth. 5D and 6D coordinate space in the same tiers isn't based on QS because they're in the same tier and not referring to higher dimensions or that would boost there tier up. Moving to one point would only require an infinite above the previous point.
Either way, Lucifer scales past the Low 1-C realms.
I'm not talking about R>F. I’m talking about the Endless relationships with their concept and the opposite. Dream defines Reality as Reality defines Dream. Both are contained and indirectly made by Yahweh.
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Better to ask from a Tier 1 Expert whether 5-D + infinite is 6-D?
It has a parallel reality>dream interaction like Earth 33 parallel R>F.
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5-D and 6-D in Low 1-C according to space. No cardinality of higher dimensionality between the two. To get to point A and point B we will equate as those dimensions would need an infinite amount to reach the space. With transcendence being provided with QS that would obviously be a tier up.
I just said I'm not talking about R>F. Dream of the Endless defines both Dream and Reality. He is the Dreaming which is contained in Creation as one of the realms outside the worlds.
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Scan for QS on MoS?
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Furthermore, higher-dimensional entities can also qualify for higher tiers when the verse which they are from explicitly defines them as being infinitely above lower-dimensional ones in power and/or existential status.
As we see above to get a tier-you need to be “infinitely” above. So that would be from Low 1-C to 1-C if we consider Low 1-C to be 6D.
However, within the same tier which we have to be 5D and 6D, it doesn't need QS to imply full transcendence.
This is why I argue that Mansions to not be QS until we use my logic of Creation being Low 1-C. Containing an infinite Low 1-C structure and not being able to even fill a small portion of the Mansions would suggest it's a greater space than an infinite amount of Low 1-C structure comparable to the portion of the Void where infinite Creation cannot fill.
If you don't agree with that. I suggest we make the Mansions Low 1-C, possibly 1-C.
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thoughts??
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He’s not having separate tiers. He's going to be full 1-C.
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1-C doesn't add up with the description coz the silver city feats are Low 1-C (6D)
thats why i was proposing Low 1-C | 1-C
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Lucifer, Michael, and Yahweh all transcend the City. They are QS over City.
Even then what would the proposed key would be?
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ok but the description, "More powerful than Dream of the Endless. Superior to the Host of Heaven and the Silver City. Destroyed the Logos with a touch" are all 6D feats
The 1-C scaling is when lucifer is comparable to elaine when she see transcends all of creations
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Being superior by being QS is 1-C since the City is 6D. This makes Lucifer 1-C by virtue of being an infinity larger in terms of dimensionality which would be 7D.
He was always comparable to Elaine and Michael, who have the power of the Presence capable of stepping in as a second God because they are Demiurges. A serious Michael and Elaine are well above Lucifer in power. Lucifer makes up for this by being the other part of the infinity of the Presence by being Will power comparable to that of the Presence in terms of scope.
This thread is meant to remove Low 1-C completely. I'm not making this as an exception.
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Then just let "Was granted by his father, Yahweh, a power as great as his" for the 1-C tier.
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I would say it should scale to same tier as Silver City. I can dismiss this, though I'm sure someone will downgrade them again due to lack of evidence for 1-C eventually.
Like I said above, there are numerous realms there scale to Low 1-C.
Hardly could get into 1-C.
To recap,
Silver City - 5-D
MoS- 5-D.
Void- 5-D. (creation is infinitesimal in void)
City of stars- possibly Low 1-C
Endless, Luci and Presence would get the same tier.
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no??
creation - 5D
city of stars - 5D
silver city - 6D
mansion of silence - 6D
void - 7D
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Why the void be 5d if creation is infinitesimal there
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How MoS is 6D?
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That's how it works. Read Reality Fiction Transcendence page.
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R>F doesn't need to be directly invoked. The main key here is Qulatitive Superiority to suggest full Transcendence of lower realms.
The Void is already accredited as being 1-C. It's not going to get downgraded anytime soon. There’s very good reasons why it has that tier.
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But it could be Low 1-C again due to reasons I given above. Need more staff input here.
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Silver City is accepted as Low 1-C. In this Void, a portion of it can fill the “infinite Creation” of different makers. These Creators can have their own version of the Endless are Low 1-C. All these Creations cannot even fill up that small portion of the Void. Everything amounts to 0 even if there are infinite 1 or infinite amounts of numbers it would still be obsolete to just that one portion.
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Two levels of infinites at best. I still lean towards the idea that it being Low 1-C.
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The thread already accepted it as 1-C. Plus this thread goes over the scaling we should update for Vertigo.
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this aint R>F transcendent right? If the void as a place is so big that creation is infinitesimal it would qualify for higher infinity
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No. And I meant page explains that part too.
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