Dragon Talisman High-1A And 0 upgrade

[Fixxed]

This is just false, if you can contain an infinite structure within something finite, the greater structure which contains it must be larger than the smaller structure, which for 2-A is 5D, for 5D is 6D, and so on and so forth infinitely, meaning the structure is High 1-B in size

Its not necessary contain infinite structure within something finite make it higher structure, the structure must make the infinite structue being a proper subset of it self, yeah make that infinitesimall portion

And my point in here is contain universe within universe will not make the next universe being higher structure, because just being subset doesnt mean the superset is strictly larger than the subset

And also there are no statement that every universe contain the previous universe in finite object (drop of water in this case), the statement of "drop of water" is for the "cosmic sea" that every drop is universe, not universe contain other universe in the size of drop of water

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

You two could argue on the what meets the wiki's criteria for tier 1 but I suggest reducing it to a single post and leaving it to knowledgeable staff on whether this angle (this thread's proposal) meets tier 1 and above standards.

And also there are no statement that every universe contain the previous universe in finite object (drop of water in this case), the statement of "drop of water" is for the "cosmic sea" that every drop is universe, not universe contain other universe in the size of drop of water

Are you saying that not every drop of water contains loops of universes? Regardless of how (宇宙之中又有宇宙) is translated, the entire sentence is describing what every drop of water is. There isn't a distinction made between them nor is there an omega recursive single drop of water different from the rest.

If you really did mean that, then this is a case of reading comprehension that will lead to a string of semantics and I have no time to delve into semantics. But your opinion will count towards disagreement within this thread.

Its about time OP counted votes.

"Ha ha ha ha......" The giant who created the cosmic ocean laughed: "Without the limitation of lifespan and the control of the virtual panel, I can express my power endlessly, and finally I have completed my own thoughts. I created my own cosmic sea. Every drop of water in this ocean is a universe, and there is a universe inside the universe, one loop after another. I think the universe has no secrets for me now. My power can be improved endlessly because the power of my mind is infinite, and in the universes I created, the power of every creature is also infinite. Many infinities plus infinities, and the power is indescribable“

"哈哈哈哈……"那个制造了宇宙海洋的巨头大笑起来："没有了寿命的限制，没有了就虚拟面板的管控，我可以无穷无尽的宣泄自己力量，终于把自己猜测的想法完成了，自己缔造了属于自己的宇宙海，这片海洋，每一滴水都是一个宇宙，宇宙之中又有宇宙，一环扣一环，我觉得现在宇宙对于我来说，已经没有任何秘密可言。我的力量，可以无休止的提升，因为我的心灵之力本身就是无限的，而我缔造的宇宙之中，每个生灵的力量也都是无限的，诸多无限加上无限，力量无法形容……" - Chapter 1147

 

[Fixxed]

Are you saying that not every drop of water contains loops of universes?

I'm not saying that, every drop of water is universe, yes. But universe not contain other universe in the size of drop of water, i mean the universe within universe

 

[Lewis]

For 10th Deathless: it's something even more impressive. They are basically Apophitic with the 9th Deathless, So transcendent that it literally cannot be expressed in words, names and completely beyond their understanding and imagination, unintelligible, unspeakable, unpredictable, unintelligible, unexplainable, unknowable, unobservable, unresearchable.
Any characteristic that is attached to them, they are neither characteristic nor non-characteristic

What does this have to do with Ultimate Reality? Because god is a reality that is at the forefront of all transcends all other realities,final,and fundamental power in all reality and god will convey the concept of the absolute in philosophies.

They are everything, they are also the negation of all that, as well as not both. Whether living or non-living, existence or non-existence, emptiness and non-emptiness, knowing and not knowing, corporeal and incorporeal,... Anything can come out of them

I think what is being talked about in a state of nonduality that doesn't make sense. and not mentioning the absolute. This may not be used to confirm crossing to 0.

Unironically cope, seethe, mald even

UWU

 

[Robo432343]

while this is agreeable
the writing is disgusting

 

[PDB123456789]

Tell me you don't understand how the tiering system works without telling me you don't understand how the tiering system works
This is just false, if you can contain an infinite structure within something finite, the greater structure which contains it must be larger than the smaller structure, which for 2-A is 5D, for 5D is 6D, and so on and so forth infinitely, meaning the structure is High 1-B in size

Unironically cope, seethe, mald even

I mean why so if you exceed the concepts of space, time, and size in relation to a High 1-B multiverse you must be 1-A as if you were to be Low 1-A you would still exist within those concepts, especially that of size and space

Because Rabbit is taking a scan of the Void to apply to the 9th deathless, remember that the Void is completely inferior to the 9th deathless 900 billion years old, and The Giant 9th deathless 900 billion years old have scan created the H1B structure. Void where it is said that there is no concept of "space","time","dimension" even only equal 100 million years old 9th deathless
900 billion 9th deathless=H1B
Void aka timeless, spaceless, dimensionless=100 milion-1 billion 9th deathless
Can't take a scan from a lower realm and apply it to a higher realm and wank higher realm
Remember, only the cosmic sea of 900 billon 9th deathless has started scanning H1B cosmology

 

[PDB123456789]

Mortal world=2A<Chaos<Void=Timeless,spaceless,dimensionless<Nanoverse - Microverse - Mesoverse - Megaverse - Gigaverse <Ultra-Gigaverse (Super-Terraverse)<<inconceivableverse=L1A.
Anyway, The white teen=Infinite lifespan>>>>L1A cosmology>900 billion lifespan=H1B. Aka Infinite layer L1A

 

[deonment]

Because Rabbit is taking a scan of the Void to apply to the 9th deathless, remember that the Void is completely inferior to the 9th deathless 900 billion years old, and The Giant 9th deathless 900 billion years old have scan created the H1B structure. Void where it is said that there is no concept of "space","time","dimension" even only equal 100 million years old 9th deathless
900 billion 9th deathless=H1B
Void aka timeless, spaceless, dimensionless=100 milion-1 billion 9th deathless
Can't take a scan from a lower realm and apply it to a higher realm and wank higher realm
Remember, only the cosmic sea of 900 billon 9th deathless has started scanning H1B cosmology

Oh then fair enough, don't know the novel itself and have merely been going off what is in the OP

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Bump

 

[Ren1999]

Bump

 

[Elizhaa]

What about the flower hierarchy (around chapter 630) that was discussed in the last thread, which could make 2-A to High 1-B?
Interestingly, that flower hierarchy statement is much earlier than the void statement around chapter 993.

古尘沙把命运长河抛开，身躯一动，来到了一个所有的人都无法到达之地。这是一块不存于任何时间，空间之中的天外之天的深幽之地。
这个空间无限巨大，无限广阔，似乎是一切的源头，当年的混沌够巨大了，可在这个地方面前，根本不算什么。
这个地方，已经不能够用大来形容，因为此地似乎没有了大小概念，也没有时间和空间的概念。
这里到处都弥漫着一种可怕的意志。在中心地带，一团比人间界不知道大多少倍的东西蠕动着，这东西既不是物质，也不是能量，也不是非物质，也不是非能量。
Gu Chensha put aside the long river of fate, moved his body, and came to a place that no one can reach.
This is a spaceless and timeless abyss exists beyond the Heaven
This space is infinitely huge and vast, and it seems to be the source of everything. The chaos back then was huge enough, but in front of this place, it is nothing at all.
This place can no longer be described as big, because it seems that there is no concept of size, nor the concept of time and space.
There is a terrible will here and there.
In the central area, a group of things that are many times larger than the human world are wriggling. This thing is neither matter, nor energy, nor non-matter, nor non-energy. Chapter 993

Because Rabbit is taking a scan of the Void to apply to the 9th deathless, remember that the Void is completely inferior to the 9th deathless 900 billion years old, and The Giant 9th deathless 900 billion years old have scan created the H1B structure. Void where it is said that there is no concept of "space","time","dimension" even only equal 100 million years old 9th deathless
900 billion 9th deathless=H1B
Void aka timeless, spaceless, dimensionless=100 milion-1 billion 9th deathless
Can't take a scan from a lower realm and apply it to a higher realm and wank higher realm
Remember, only the cosmic sea of 900 billon 9th deathless has started scanning H1B cosmology

Didn't the fight occur in the abyss/void, though, in chapters 1148-1150? If yes, it seems valid for 1-A as it was a higher realm.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

What about the flower hierarchy discussed in the last thread, which could make 2-A to High 1-B?

already discussed in the opening post

 

[Elizhaa]

already discussed in the opening post

Besides its being 4 times, the "flower" term doesn't show in search from control+F in the OP or earlier. I think only saw cosmic ocean is being discussed for High 1-B, in the OP.

 

[deonment]

What about the flower hierarchy (around chapter 630) that was discussed in the last thread, which could make 2-A to High 1-B?

That is for Sage Monarch which is a different novel than this one, though the mc of the former makes a cameo in the novel this thread is about, the two do not share a cosmology to my knowledge though those who have read both may wish to correct me on this matter

 

[Larssx]

High-1A 10th Deathless, Deathless Hierarchy and 0 for Gu Chensha

For 10th Deathless: it's something even more impressive. They are basically Apophitic with the 9th Deathless, So transcendent that it literally cannot be expressed in words, names and completely beyond their understanding and imagination, unintelligible, unspeakable, unpredictable, unintelligible, unexplainable, unknowable, unobservable, unresearchable.
Any characteristic that is attached to them, they are neither characteristic nor non-characteristic



They are everything, they are also the negation of all that, as well as not both. Whether living or non-living, existence or non-existence, emptiness and non-emptiness, knowing and not knowing, corporeal and incorporeal,... Anything can come out of them

Why does it high 1-a.
The difference between a character gaining a layer in 1-a and baseline 1-a is similar to this.
There is an inaccessibility and transcended infinity between someone with layered 1-a and someone with 1-a.

 

[AKUTO123]

First of all, it was really boring to read this, because seeing the same things in every quote is a bit disturbing anyway, let's get back to the main topic. First of all, it's okay for me until 1A, but in general, there is a problem with the logic of High 1A: "inaccessible, inaccessible, unexplainable, unimaginable" this quote can be used to compare any 2 1A in my opinion. because in 1A, this may be the case between the base line and a character above it. The transcendence in question 1A includes such large infinities that it may look exactly like the above for the 1A character below. I think the decisive point here is that it should be above a dimensional hierarchy in 1A. so that this incomprehensible and unreachable is not an infinity above 1A, but a higher infinity that transcends all infinity that 1A can reach.

 

[Ren1999]

Bump

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

I agree with the OP bruh

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

bump

 

[PDB123456789]

What about the flower hierarchy (around chapter 630) that was discussed in the last thread, which could make 2-A to High 1-B?
Interestingly, that flower hierarchy statement is much earlier than the void statement around chapter 993.


Didn't the fight occur in the abyss/void, though, in chapters 1148-1150? If yes, it seems valid for 1-A as it was a higher realm.

I mean Abyss/Void it's not a higher realm. There is no evidence that it is higher than The Giant's Cosmic sea. even that place is not void or abyss. Its correct name is “The sky beyond the sky, the land beyond the earth, the space beyond the sky”. The concept of space, time, dimension here refers to Mortal World (Cosmology before Gu chensa created the Multiverse). Since that place was where Heavenly Dao fought Guayan, back then there wasn't even a Tiny universe(Nanoverse) let alone cosmic sea. Cosmic sea is a larger realm created after Dragon Heart has no restrictions, they continuously use energy until they are overloaded and explode to death. It's a feat that didn't exist before.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

I mean Abyss/Void it's not a higher realm. There is no evidence that it is higher than The Giant's Cosmic sea. even that place is not void or abyss. Its correct name is “The sky beyond the sky, the land beyond the earth, the space beyond the sky”. The concept of space, time, dimension here refers to Mortal World (Cosmology before Gu chensa created the Multiverse). Since that place was where Heavenly Dao fought Guayan, back then there wasn't even a Tiny universe(Nanoverse) let alone cosmic sea. Cosmic sea is a larger realm created after Dragon Heart has no restrictions, they continuously use energy until they are overloaded and explode to death. It's a feat that didn't exist before.

I am fairly sure there is either a misunderstanding or I am confused. For the former, Elizhaa seems to be referencing Sage Monarch and you're replying as though that High 1-B is referring to the Cosmic Ocean.

Also I don't think that place has a name, just a description. The first time being this (rough translation):

The Immaculate Dragon Cultivation Technique, which he had not been able to break through for a long time, dissolved bit by bit. As it dissolved, Gu Chensha felt his horizons broaden. In an instant, he seemed to see beyond the boundless space-time, in the heaven beyond the Heaven, in the Earth outside the Earth, in the void beyond the void. Could not be thought of, could not be comprehended, could not be explained and could not be described, there were two groups of wills fighting against each other, fusing, killing, devouring, and transforming each other. - Chapter 893

久久不能够突破的无龙心法,就如破冰一般,在丝丝溶解,溶解的过程之中,古尘沙只觉得自己的眼界越来越开阔,在刹那之间,他仿佛看到了在无穷的时空之外,那天外之天,地外之地,空外之空,不可以思考,不可以理解,不可以说明,不可以形容的地方,有两团意志在相互对拼,相互交融,相互击杀,相互吞噬,相互变化。 - Chapter 893

 

[PDB123456789]

I am fairly sure there is either a misunderstanding or I am confused. For the former, Elizhaa seems to be referencing Sage Monarch and you're replying as though that High 1-B is referring to the Cosmic Ocean.

Also I don't think that place has a name, just a description. The first time being this (rough translation):

This is name heaven beyond the Heaven, in the Earth outside the Earth, in the void beyond the void. And I only answer the case the white Teen 1A thanks to scale from the void/abyss (name given by rabbit) is not standard, in my opinion The white Teen with higher base L1A is better.

 

[PDB123456789]

The writer who wrote the following sentence kicked the first sentence in the mouth. I also quite doubt The Void/abyss 1A

这是一块不存于任何时间空间之中的天外之天的深幽之地

这个空间无限巨大无限广阔似乎是一切的源头当年的混沌够巨大了可在这个地方面前根本不算什么

这个地方已经不能够用大来形容因为此地似乎没有了大小概念也没有时间和空间的概念

这里到处都弥漫着一种可怕的意志
This is a deep and mysterious place in the sky that does not exist in any time and space
This space is infinitely huge and infinitely vast seems to be the source of everything when the chaos is huge enough but in front of this place is nothing at all
This place can no longer be described as large because it seems that there is no concept of size and no concept of time and space.
A terrifying will permeates everywhere here

More “terrifying will” be here is the fusion of Heaven Dao and Gu Taxian. That is, it's only about 100 milion-1 bilion life span 9th deathless that has covered everywhere of The Void/Abyss (It's ok to take the name Rabbit temporarily). The new The Giant has a scan for creating cosmic sea (H1B) which is 1000 bilion life span 9th deathless, taking a scan when it's weak and buffing it when it's strong like this I don't think it's very reasonable, cherry picking and wank

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Not really sure about it being equal to 100 milion-1 billion lifespan 9th Deathless but from what we know, it is the place Gu Taxian fought the Heavenly Dao without destroying the early cosmology. So that place can at-least handle 2 halfstep 9th Deathless.

Rabbit2002 isn't scaling it up, in the OP they mention it as an earlier pre-9th Deathless Gu Chensha feat, but I will let Rabbit2002 explain.

 

[Ren1999]

Bump

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

bump

 

[PDB123456789]

@Rabbit2002

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

bump

 

[Elizhaa]

Alright.
I have no major issues with the OP.
I guess this thread needs more staff input.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

bump

 

[Delta333]

So dead thread is what will happen when Ultima doesn't appear in a High 1-A thread.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Especially after what Ant said.

 

[Robo432343]

i swear this verse will be nuked just like blue and white verse

 

[Rabbit2002]

i swear this verse will be nuked just like blue and white verse

??

 

[Abu2411]

Everything to 1-A seems fine. With High 1-A, can you elaborate on the nature of transcendence? Because it seems to me that the 10th Deathless exceeds the logical framework underpinning the 9th Deathless.

Mortal world=2A<Chaos<Void=Timeless,spaceless,dimensionless<Nanoverse - Microverse - Mesoverse - Megaverse - Gigaverse <Ultra-Gigaverse (Super-Terraverse)<<inconceivableverse=L1A.
Anyway, The white teen=Infinite lifespan>>>>L1A cosmology>900 billion lifespan=H1B. Aka Infinite layer L1A

You cannot have layers into Low 1-A. If you were to transcend Low 1-A (aleph-1) the same way Low 1-A transcends High 1-B (aleph-0), you would be 1-A (aleph-2).

 

[PDB123456789]

Everything to 1-A seems fine. With High 1-A, can you elaborate on the nature of transcendence? Because it seems to me that the 10th Deathless exceeds the logical framework underpinning the 9th Deathless.


You cannot have layers into Low 1-A. If you were to transcend Low 1-A (aleph-1) the same way Low 1-A transcends High 1-B (aleph-0), you would be 1-A (aleph-3).

Ok Thank. So i argee with Rabbit. H1A because 10th deathless is apopathic with 9th deathless.

 

[deonment]

i swear this verse will be nuked just like blue and white verse

How even

 

[BleedingPeach]

i swear this verse will be nuked just like blue and white verse

Well... Don't swear. I don't believe you

 

[Ren1999]

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[Setsuna_tenma]

bump