Divine Dreamwalker Works (Dragon Talisman Addition)

[Dereck03]

Zhang Xuan gong and Tang Chuan looked at the virtual interface that suddenly appeared and their expressions turned ugly. "This is all because of Gu Chensha. We are indestructible. Even if the multiverse disappears, our Null Immortality realm is eternal. We have transcended the world and dimensions. Unfortunately, our lifespan is only a few billion years. We don't even have the lifespan of a planet. How can we build the entire world?" - Chapter 1107

This is an example that they have a specific realm which is different from the multiverse, so if the multiverse disappears, they still exist because they exist in that realm, so I would not take that as evidence of BDE. I am skeptical about all the transcendence to the world and dimensions. There is not much context to back it up and even more so when it is a Chinese novel that for example the high rank cultivators are much stronger than the middle rank cultivators and these are often referred to as transcendence over them without context.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

This is an example that they have a specific realm which is different from the multiverse, so if the multiverse disappears, they still exist because they exist in that realm, so I would not take that as evidence of BDE. I am skeptical about all the transcendence to the world and dimensions. There is not much context to back it up and even more so when it is a Chinese novel that for example the high rank cultivators are much stronger than the middle rank cultivators and these are often referred to as transcendence over them without context.

Just want to say that 'realm' there isn't referring to a world but a cultivation stage. The statement being a result of them being in that cultivation stage. Being BDE due to a state of being is still BDE.

 

[Dereck03]

Just want to say that 'realm' there isn't referring to a world but a cultivation stage. The statement being a result of them being in that cultivation stage. Being BDE due to a state of being is still BDE.

Hmm. If the "realm" referred to in the novel is a cultivation stage and not some kind of domain or something like that, then I think it's fine.

 

[PrinceofPein]

The previous statement of having no relation or care for their reality, followed by a statement of their transcendence of it.

You mean we are indestructible?

You used 5-D as an argument trying to disprove something that isn't 5-D, hence the false equivalence.

Thats not what false equivalence is, as I also transcended the world and it's dimensions.

The statement has no real r>f justification that would place it in a higher tier, but a supplement for BDE (Type 2), as you quite literally need to prove you are superior to spatiotemporality; an ability of r>f implications but without qualifying for a higher tier.

We are indestructible. Even if the multiverse disappears, our Null Immortality realm is eternal. We have transcended the world and dimensions.

I still don't see the BDE here, it's just transcending a particular world and it's dimensions. Not space and time altogether.
Also saw the entire thing and they don't exists outside time.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

You mean we are indestructible?

Followed by their disregard for their reality as well as their transcendence over it. It's a flow that augment each other.

Thats not what false equivalence is, as I also transcended the world and it's dimensions.

That is what it exactly is. They aren't 5-D and I quote, you said: "I am 5D. I can say I have transcended this universe and its dimensions
That does not mean I lack any form of spatio-temporal properties or superior to them."

Someone being 5-D and someone being transcendent/superior to spatiotemporality in a non-qualifying r>f manner within tier 2 are completely different things. The former is a higher tier and the latter is BDE.

I still don't see the BDE here, it's just transcending a particular world and it's dimensions. Not space and time altogether.
Also saw the entire thing and they don't exists outside time.

Like I said to Antvasima, it isn't a specific world. Just in a general sense. 'The world' can either mean the cosmology or a specific world. The former is used more than the word 'multiverses' (verse has countless 2-A worlds)

On the extremely unlikely scenario they are referring to a single world, it would be transcendence on a 2-A level BTW. Which is the peak of any non-tier 1 BDE.

Also, Divine Dreamwalker establishes the spatiotemporal nature of a world, so yes, the time aspect applies.

Only independent space-time, which could give birth to all things and give spirituality, was the "world." - Chapter 441

唯独是可以衍生万物,赋予灵性的独立时空,才是“世界”。 - Chapter 441

Lastly, they quote says "and dimensions", not a specific world's dimensions.

 

[Antvasima]

I hope that you will be able to reach an agreement here.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

I hope that you will be able to reach an agreement here.

I am perfectly fine with my proposal being rejected as insufficient evidence rather than the current misconstruction.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, insufficient evidence seems like my overall impression of this.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

We'll wait for more comments excluding that then.

 

[Antvasima]

If you write an easy to understand explanation post for what our staff currently need to evaluate here, I can send a notification to some of them afterwards.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

If you write an easy to understand explanation post for what our staff currently need to evaluate here, I can send a notification to some of them afterwards.

Same thing as last time, but I crossed out BDE.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Bump.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

I have a few things I want to add on top of what I proposed. Rather than adding them here, I think a new CRT is better.

I would appreciate it if a mod closes this thread.

Thank you for everyone's contributions.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so then. Thank you to everybody who helped out here.