DC upgrade to H1B, L1A, 1A

[Ramasugita11]

This thread shouldn’t even exist

Why? I'm just stating my thoughts here and not changing the DC story, because all the comics are canon

No.

Why? What's not? Please explain sir

 

[Alonik]

Why? I'm just stating my thoughts here and not changing the DC story, because all the comics are canon

Why? What's not? Please explain sir

Because everything wrote here are to be fair, are not fit to be upgraded to these tiers.

The Wikia has discussed all these scans countless times, and have dealt with arguments that are more complex and better put together than yours. I don't mean to be rude, but it's a vicious cycle, people don't understand what happened to DC, and come up with the same arguments that have already been discussed to the current conclusion here. Even if you put all these cosmologies together, it wouldn't even be 1-C, since most of the scans are just Tier 2 scans thinking they are classified as Tier 1, or they're not even about any tier at all, like infinite layers in Lucifer.

So it's like the people have already said: It won't pass. There's no argument wrote in the OP that hasn't been discussed at least 10 times on this wiki.

 

[Ramasugita11]

Because everything wrote here are to be fair, are not fit to be upgraded to these tiers.

The Wikia has discussed all these scans countless times, and have dealt with arguments that are more complex and better put together than yours. I don't mean to be rude, but it's a vicious cycle, people don't understand what happened to DC, and come up with the same arguments that have already been discussed to the current conclusion here. Even if you put all these cosmologies together, it wouldn't even be 1-C, since most of the scans are just Tier 2 scans thinking they are classified as Tier 1, or they're not even about any tier at all, like infinite layers in Lucifer.

So it's like the people have already said: It won't pass. There's no argument wrote in the OP that hasn't been discussed at least 10 times on this wiki.

The problem is that you think that when Lucifer said void is the nothingness above creation, the creation you mean is the entire cosmology. In fact, He is clearly discussing the physical world, Yahweh never said his creation was heaven, the endless, the hell, that is purely your thoughts, you know before becoming a void, they erase physical space because they want to recreate it. That's why lucifer said "infinite layers"

 

[Alonik]

The problem is that you think that when Lucifer said void is the nothingness above creation, the creation you mean is the entire cosmology. In fact, He is clearly discussing the physical world, Yahweh never said his creation was heaven, the endless, the hell, that is purely your thoughts, you know before becoming a void, they erase physical space because they want to recreate it. That's why lucifer said "infinite layers"

The Endless are in fact the creation of Yahweh (Cosmology as a whole), I recommend that you at least read the comic in question before quoting it. Destiny of the Endless is shown as the totality of the Map of the Multiverse, and this is confirmed in Lucifer Vol 1 #52, where Lucifer claims: Destiny is the side effect of the Presence's deterministic approach to the act of Creation.

It would be good if you at least take some effort in reading the DC Cosmology page before making a thread.

 

[Ramasugita11]

The Endless are in fact the creation of Yahweh (Cosmology as a whole), I recommend that you at least read the comic in question before quoting it. Destiny of the Endless is shown as the totality of the Map of the Multiverse, and this is confirmed in Lucifer Vol 1 #52, where Lucifer claims: Destiny is the side effect of the Presence's deterministic approach to the act of Creation.

It would be good if you at least take some effort in reading the DC Cosmology page before making a thread.

That's quite funny, the overvoid [true form of the presence and the source], not yahweh (father of lucifer)
You definitely want to explain that The presence is the same as Yahweh, right?

They are different, you should read the thousand cats [Here]
The dream created a form of that god, older than yahweh [Here]. This is the concept of archetypes. God is not only Yahweh, other religions have their own gods.

the endless exist before the gods [Here]

Silkman existed before the creation of Yahweh[Here]

Yahweh is not even omnipotent, that's the reason why lucifer is outside of his plans because lucifer is in the realm of a different God [Here]

The endless exists because it was formed by father time and mother night [Here]

They are the beginning of all things [ excluding the overvoid ] [Here]

And it's not an overvoid [Here], it's just a void outside the physical realm. As I explained and read again

What you are saying is that Lucifer's claim was not even answered by destiny

 

[PrinceStories]

Cosmology merging would be irrelevant on this Wiki. elizio33 has also made an explanation of why dividing cosmology is more relevant.

DC Multiverse is essentially a storytelling device that ties together numerous materials published over the past 80+ years. Throughout the years of publications that made up the DC Multiverse, the consistency of the verse has sparked much controversy. This is due to various changes, continuity errors, and different interpretations of them that have been written by various authors over the years.

Despite this, many efforts have been made to reconcile these various inconsistencies. In the '90s, Grant Morrison and Mark Waid created Hypertime to explain continuity errors, but it's sort of become a buzzword that writers haven't used consistently over the years, with no "official" in-universe definition. Following declining sales of the New 52, DC co-publishers Jim Lee and Dan Didio decided to vote against restricting writers to strict continuity (i.e. New 52 continuity, Post-Crisis continuity, etc.) and wanted to open up a wider playing field for potential stories by making everything canon. The problem we have been running into is that different writers often write independently of each other, adding new concepts to the older ones while ignoring or only somewhat acknowledging the works of the other writers. This is not always the case, as some writers pay considerable attention to the works of certain other authors, but even then there are some degrees of independence.

There have been other attempts to explain the changes, notably with the Metaverse with which Geoff Johns came to shed light on the various changes taking place in the DC Multiverse or Scott Snyder's attempt to undo the contradictions of the DCU with the end of Death Metal, which not only gave importance to every DC story, but the multiverse also became its own sort of Omniverse, but that was changed literally a year later with Dark Crisis which tampered with all of that.

Regardless, the above circumstances cause the following problems:

1.Chain-scaling issues: Several characters have derived their statistics from complicated chains of power scaling based on various distinct iterations of the cosmology that do not fit with each other, leading to ratings that do not fit with many of their storylines. For example, Perpetua of the Rebirth continuity does not fit DeMatteis' interpretation of the DCU as his vision is a different from Scott Snyder and Grant Morrison's throughout 21 despite some similarities.
2.Incongruent Ratings: For example, many of DC's cosmic entities are rated tier 1, even 1-A, even though these characters have never demonstrated a power level that high in any of their stories. Through scaling across different versions of the cosmology, they end up with a rating that is incongruent with their true power level as written.
3.Incompatibilities: Different authors have written incompatible versions of the cosmology regarding different dimensions and higher realms, in terms of how they are defined and fundamentally function. Sometimes, although this is not always the case, certain authors tend to contradict themselves. For example, Grant Morrison's previous stories described the Fifth Dimension as a higher mathematical dimension while in other stories he described it as an imagination. In James Tynion's stories the Great Darkness is the Dark Sphere of the Gods around the Dark Multiverse while in more recent stories by Joshua Williamson, the Great Darkness is a Primordial Darkness that predates even the Overvoid.

So stop using arguments that are discussed over and over again.

 

[Ramasugita11]

Cosmology merging would be irrelevant on this Wiki. elizio33 has also made an explanation of why dividing cosmology is more relevant.


So stop using arguments that are discussed over and over again.

What? What I show is the cosmology of vertigo. You obviously didn't see it. Is this how you treat new people? Didn't read it at all? Ignore everything about comic dc [Except vertigo], So father time and mother night are at the top of vertigo cosmology with all these facts

 

[Robo432343]

I’n going to ask this to be closed

 

[Ramasugita11]

I don't want to delete it, it's better to just close it. I will put the cosmology together but it will take some preparation time