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Don’t you think I know that? I literally said I don’t like to assume because it’s most likely not why they’re saying what they’re saying, and I have no reason to make baseless assumptions
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Last Ditch Effort at Upgrading TTGL to Immeasurable
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He doesn't project, your own source says he fuses with the multiverse
This is fusionism and omnipresence regarding the Multiversal Labyrinth. The profile itself reflects this
It is not a Immeasurable feat that would scale to his other forms.
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Yes he does, I literally have an entire section explaining how integration works and how he assimilates it. He even did it with his Core Drill, the literal conduit for the user’s Spiral Power, the key to injecting the user’s Spiral Power to control mecha.
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He fuses with the multiverse, then fuses with his other selves and combines them into one.
Its not an Immeasurable feat. Its just a Fusionism one. Since he becomes the multiverses he can directly link to any version of himself within the multiverse.
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But did you read the explanation on how the fusion is done though? He doesn’t just decide to integrate the multiverse and his selves, he has to invoke his Spiral Power, and project it throughout the multiverse, so that they can be assimilated, this is how integration has always been done in TTGL. That’s why Simon used his Core Drill, it projects a user’s Spiral Energy (and even has been shown to do it).
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I did, but that's still just fusionism. He exists within the multiverse and combines with it. Its not an immeasurable feat but a hilariously stupid good merging feat.
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And mf he doesn’t become the multiverse, it just becomes a part of him, it’s still it’s own thing. Just like Gurren Lagann’s wings, they’re integrated to Gurren Lagann, and works as if it’s their’s, but it’s clearly still its own thing and easily detachable. The fusionism you’re thinking about is when two things fuse and transform into a completely different entity, like DB fusion. TTGL fusion is not like that at all (exceptions being Simon merging with himself [which doesn’t make him look different, but his existence is different] and STTGL)
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It’s not just fusionism, his energy has to actually traverse the multiverse in order to merge, that’s why he uses the Core Drill, to project the Spiral Power. His energy travelled to his future and his past, and that’s the argument
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I’m getting really annoyed by the fact that you keep omitting the part of the argument where Simon’s Spiral Power traverses through the past and future
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I’m also getting annoyed by the fact that Simon’s Spiral Power is being labeled as omnipresent when clearly its origin point is in a very specific place
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Man, you can edit your comment you know, no need to make multiple posts
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Yeah that’s my bad, I was just worried the edit wasn’t gonna be seen
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agreed fra
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Fusionism is the core aspect of the scene. He fuses with the multiverse and through that can spread to his other selves located in the multiverse in the past and future.
Its why its an omnipresence feat and not an immeasurable one.
I haven't, it just doesn't scale to him while outside of the multiverse. He fused with the space first and then his energy spread through it. Its omnipresence by merged with the Labyrinth but its an omnipresence that doesn't upscale to higher forms unless they also fuse with a multiverse/universal space.
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He uses his Spiral Power to do it though, it traverses the multiverse so that he may assimilate it. Check the video clip of the first link, he uses the Core Drill, and when he grasps it, it begins to emit a green light, because the Core Drill helped release the Spiral Power within him, which he has done before in episode 15
How can it be omnipresence when the Spiral Energy was released from him, it’s just High Complex Multuversal range for being able to reach the entire structure from Simon’s body. It does scale to Gurren Lagann, TTGL and STTGL too, because they were literally materialized from Simon’s thoughts, which are materialization of the multiverse’s possibilities, as TTGL is the ultimate evolutionary form of Gurren Lagann which also merged with every possible version of itself throughout the multiverse
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By fusing with the multiverse. After fusing with the multiverse Simon becomes omnipresent through the multiverse.
Because he has fused with the multiverse and is connected to every version of himself, which is omnipresence:
Simon has omnipresence after fusing with the multiverse. Its just a speed that doesn't translate to later forms because they're operating on different scales.
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No he does not, there are no statements that claim he’s omnipresent, you have to prove he is omnipresent. It’s not merging, like becoming a single body, it’s just putting two separate bodies together, while still remaining two separate things, like Gurren and Lagann, which are clearly just two objects that form a whole but still two different components
He is not connected to every version, he actually merged with them, becoming a single Simon
All in all, Simon isn’t the multiverse, it’s just a part of him, his own body is still its own thing, same as the multiverse
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- Simon merges with the multiverse
- Simon merges with his infinite amount of other selves when he integrates with the multiverse
Which... is due to him merging with the multiverse and connecting to all of them. A fusionism feat.
Which is an omnipresence showing, not an Immeasurable one. Its better than Immeasurable, it just can't scale up unless Simon merges with a higher dimensional space first.
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Integration and merging are different things, Simon integrates the multiverse, but he merges with his other selves. It just becomes a single body, he can’t appear everywhere at once. Okay look at it this way, integration is like “Oh look the combined mecha, Gurren Lagann! There’s Gurren and there’s Lagann!” The merging you’re thinking about is “Oh look at the combined mecha, STTGL! Wait, where are the Tengen Toppa Gunmen?” “Oh, they all formed this entity.” The difference is very clear, Gurren Lagann is Lagann integrating Gurren and they’re still present, STTGL is all Tengen Toppa Gunmen merging together, but each individual Tengen Toppa Gunmen are not discernible from STTGL. Simon merging with his selves is like STTGL, but Simon integrating the multiverse is like Gurren Lagann, he’s Lagann, and the Multiverse is like Gurren. Lagann is still the same 1.5m Lagann, Simon is still the same 6’2” Simon. You can’t replace integrate with merge like they’re the same thing
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Oh boy, this is a standard omnipresence feat idk how it can be clearer
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This is not omnipresence, Simon is not the multiverse, but it is a part of him now, Simon does not exist everywhere every when at once
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He can’t instantly be anywhere in the multiverse by will, he literally flies, universe through universe to get to the universe he wants to be in order to gather Team Dai-Gurren
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Yeah, its omnipresence. I guess you can only argue Nigh-Omnipresence or something but its an omnipresence feat. He becomes all of his other selves and they fuse together. Its just an Immeasurable feat. Him fusing with the multiverse more or less automatically negates that.
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He does not become his other selves, he just fuses with them. His Spiral Power still traversed through past and present from his body
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And the multiverse is not part of Simon’s main body, it’s just an extension of his body, much like a weapon
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He fuses with the multiverse, connects with his other versions and the combines with them. Your own sources say this.
He could preform the above because he had first merged with the multiverse. The fact that he merged just makes the Immeasurable argument without substance in my view. If it was just Simon without that, sure, but that statement just negates that speed argument in my view.
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No he did not bruh look at the video clip, he used his Spiral Power for the integration to even happen in the first place. The clip shows the green glow leaving his hand, and after that, the universes, which are pillars of light, come to him.
And for God’s sake stop using fuse when talking about the multiverse, it’s integrate, two different things, why do you keep doing this? He integrates the multiverse, and merged with his other selves
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Which negates the aspect regarding Immeasurable. The profile itself even acknowledges this aspect by giving him fusionism.
He became part of the multiverse, connected to his other selves and then combined with them. But the fact he became part of the multiverse first just negates the Immeasurable aspect.
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That profile is old as hell and outdated as hell too, you have to look at the facts we have right now. He used his Spiral Power first, then the universes are shown to be integrated to Simon just watch the damn video, his Spiral Power came first, go watch it. He doesn’t just fuse by deciding he wants to, as been shown in the integration mechanics section, Spiral Power has to actually traverse the structure in order to actually assimilate said structure
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I have and its just a integration/omnipresence feat and not an Immeasurable one.
He fuses by putting his energy into the multiverse and becoming part of it. Then his energy goes to other his other selves as they all combine together.
By the fact he fused with the multiverse rather than do so independently just makes the feat not immeasurable.
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Also, there is a clear difference between him integrating the multiverse and him merging with his selves, I don’t wanna have to keep saying it. Simon integrating the multiverse, they become a whole, but not a single entity, both Simon and the multiverse are present, they’re not each other, but rather they work together, the latter is more like a weapon to Simon. Simon merging with his selves they become a single entity, only one Simon exists now, and you can’t discern the other Simon from the one we have now. That’s the difference. I think a more appropriate distinction is that Simon and the multiverse work together, similar to his mecha and himself. TTGL is a mecha formed by Simon’s thoughts and its condition synchronizes with Simon’s own condition, so TTGL taking damage would give Simon that exact same damage, but regardless, Simon is not this mecha, and they’re still separate entities, as, towards the end, Simon killed Antispiral without TTGL, but with Lagann
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His energy travelled through past and future to do that feat, is that not Immeasurable? Yes or no? Just a simple yes or no will suffice
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Integration and other examples of Spiral Energy showcase that things that combine like that become a single new entity or are added to the existing one. In either case by Simon fusing with the multiverse he would already gain a connection to his other selves, meaning the argument for Immeasurable scaling to higher forms just doesn't work, since this isn't an Immeasurable feat.
His energy combined with the multiverse and then spread out. Making it an omnipresence or limited omnipresence feat, rather than an Immeasurable one.
A simple yes or no would also not suffice, because those words are to simple and ignore the context of my argument.
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The feat of him merging isn’t what I’m arguing immeasurable for, it’s his Spiral Energy traversing through past and future
No it did not, his Spiral Power traversed all the universes in order to integrate them. His energy didn’t combine with the multiverse, rather just grabbed them and made them an extension of Simon’s body. If he can integrate the multiverse by spreading his Spiral Power to all universes, what makes you think he can’t make his Spiral Power traverse time in a single direction? In this instance, he fires it through all universes included their past and future, that’s what you’re arguing the Spiral Power having some sort of omnipresence, but if he can do that with all universes, then he should be able to fire his Spiral Power through time in a single direction in a single universe, therefore not omnipresence. Plus why would his energy need omnipresence? That seems redundant, plus it originates from Simon’s body, sure it becomes omnipresent, but how fast do you think it would have to be to be able to traverse the entire structure in the first place?
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I get that, my point is that by him combining with the multiverse first, it discounts the immeasurable aspect. It would just be a form of fusionism and omnipresence.
You're saying the same thing. Simon's spiral power combined with the multiverse and because of that he could link with his other selves. Its a fusionism feat as his profile already accepts.
Omnipresence covers all lower levels of speed.
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moment for meme:
other wikies:has simon in immensurable speed since years
vsbw:took them like years to put simon in immensurable speed
of course i agree,anything to simon for finally win against goku,also,maybe we need to do the fight again,because literraly,goku win because a little differente,and people forgot about the evolution,like,man,literally people forgot about that
other wikies:has simon in immensurable speed since years
vsbw:took them like years to put simon in immensurable speed
of course i agree,anything to simon for finally win against goku,also,maybe we need to do the fight again,because literraly,goku win because a little differente,and people forgot about the evolution,like,man,literally people forgot about that
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I mean, other Wikis have Tier 0 Superman, 1-A Mario and Planet Busting Jason Voorhees. I don't think someone else doing something is indicative that we're doing it wrong.
Simon was immeasurable before, but it was revoked for not having a proper justification.
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