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So I came back, yesterday I had a busy day and I couldn't talk about it here, but one thing I remembered if you've already addressed this you can forget about it, in episode 70 Guy understands that Madara was the strongest enemy they ever had faced:



Well I see this as a problem because Guy cites this after seeing base Momoshiki and Kinshiki fighting in the chunin exam.
 
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So I came back, yesterday I had a busy day and I couldn't talk about it here, but one thing I remembered if you've already addressed this you can forget about it, in episode 70 Guy understands that Madara was the strongest enemy they ever had faced:



Well I see this as a problem because Guy cites this after seeing Momoshiki base and Kinshiki fighting in the chunin exam.

That implies that Madara is stronger than Kaguya which is just blatantly false.
 
The two statements line up, the first one tells us the context, which is AP. Both are just Code's personal opinion and neither should be accepted.
We can agree to disagree, you haven’t provided any evidence to it inherently means Boro’s AP, meanwhile I’ve provided reasoning and evidence to indicate that Boro’s combat ability encompasses more than just his AP.
 
Combat power = combat strength, combat speed, abilities, hax etc.

why the assumptions that it’s strictly related to AP
 
I interpret the guy statements as either

A. past tense...cause the way he words it....he talks about when they fought in the war

B. Obvious BS as Guy isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed
 
How did this turn into a madara VS kaguya thing??

With all due respect anybody who doesn’t know the difference between the two needs to reevaluate the points they’re trying to make, this is actually ridiculous
 
You know Kaguya is objectively stated superior to Madara right…
I was ironic man... She was said to be the strongest enemy even in Boruto. And by the way, someone saying that Madara is stronger than Kaguya is less ridiculous than saying that Sakura is stronger than Hagoromo.
 
They are being held together by that force. But Shin isn't punching Sakura with that same force. That is the main reason Shin doesn't scale to his MS physically.
Thats Irrelevant as Shin has to constantly be exerting force from his arms to move the blades which requires overcoming the Telekinesis.
Doing that through telekinesis scaling to it physically.
See my first point
I've already disagreed with this point using my first point.
Look at my first point
First of all, I never agreed to Sakura's durability scaling to 5B. She got almost KO'ed by Shin's MS-controlled blades. She was going to do nothing prior to Sasuke jumping in to rescue her.
I would suggest to stop straw manning me, I never said you agreed to 5-B Sakura, i was countering the Hypotehtical argument you yourself made.
Secondly, Sakura harming Shin or contending with Shin physically, doesn't mean she scales to Shin's MS. Shin doesn't scale physically to his MS either.
Look at my first point.
Thirdly, Sakura's durability could be 100 times higher than whatever her AP is if that's what Kishimoto shows us.
Thats not how Chakra works in naruto or chakra control even by the standards of the wiki in which we have a CRT that was accepted.
No it's not. It's simply using feats to provide evidence which you cant do.
It is, because your evidence relies on characters not doing something as evidence of them not be able to do it.
Why do you think Shin never engaged in a close combat battle with either?
What?, Shin literally dived in head first towards sasuke and then later on was forming his bladed hand before Sakura decked him.

You fight in close quarters combat with your arms btw.
. For the 100th time, Shin doesn't scale to his MS physically.
Yes he does, he literally has the durability that matches it and can then fight said people that can injure him.
Neither should Sakura scale to the MS. Sakura only scales to Shin physically.
She does, look at first comment.
 
I was ironic man... She was said to be the strongest enemy even in Boruto. And by the way, someone saying that Madara is stronger than Kaguya is less ridiculous than saying that Sakura is stronger than Hagoromo.
It’s hard to tell with you 🗿
 
I was ironic man... She was said to be the strongest enemy even in Boruto. And by the way, someone saying that Madara is stronger than Kaguya is less ridiculous than saying that Sakura is stronger than Hagoromo.
I myself scale Kaguya to be above Madara, there is much more evidence to back up the notion, especially that Madara has no response to her 12 Tomoes Juubi Fusion that was able to hold both Prime Hagoromo and Hamura for 6 Months, something that Madara can never dream of even with the tomoes argument.
 
guys, Madara drew blood from Naruto and Naruto bisected Kaguya's arm

we all know Madara uchiha is the strongest character.

I mean

Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu. I'm definitely NOT Talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after Alucard, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu and having eaten Popeye's spinach. I'm not talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinach while possessing quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken I’m talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 8 blue Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann boosted by unit 01 as his Susanoo, controlling the Platinium Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand and Kami Tenchi, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and white lantern ring, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinac as well as his salad while possessing infinity gauntlet, Ultimate nullifier, mjollnir, stormbreaker, tesseract, all motherboxes, dragon balls, eternal flame, and heart of the universe, wish box, imagine breaker, eye of Agammoto, being 10th level esper having perfect control over power cosmic as well as quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken. No, there is no character who can EVEN TOUCH sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 8 blue Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann boosted by unit 01 as his Susanoo, controlling the Platinium Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand and Kami Tenchi, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and white lantern ring, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinac as well as his salad while possessing infinity gauntlet, Ultimate nullifier, mjollnir, stormbreaker, tesseract, all motherboxes, dragon balls, eternal flame, and heart of the universe, wish box, imagine breaker, eye of Agammoto, being 10th level esper having perfect control over power cosmic as well as quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken.
 
guys, Madara drew blood from Naruto and Naruto bisected Kaguya's arm

we all know Madara uchiha is the strongest character.

I mean

Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu. I'm definitely NOT Talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after Alucard, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu and having eaten Popeye's spinach. I'm not talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinach while possessing quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken I’m talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 8 blue Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann boosted by unit 01 as his Susanoo, controlling the Platinium Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand and Kami Tenchi, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and white lantern ring, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinac as well as his salad while possessing infinity gauntlet, Ultimate nullifier, mjollnir, stormbreaker, tesseract, all motherboxes, dragon balls, eternal flame, and heart of the universe, wish box, imagine breaker, eye of Agammoto, being 10th level esper having perfect control over power cosmic as well as quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken. No, there is no character who can EVEN TOUCH sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 8 blue Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann boosted by unit 01 as his Susanoo, controlling the Platinium Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand and Kami Tenchi, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and white lantern ring, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinac as well as his salad while possessing infinity gauntlet, Ultimate nullifier, mjollnir, stormbreaker, tesseract, all motherboxes, dragon balls, eternal flame, and heart of the universe, wish box, imagine breaker, eye of Agammoto, being 10th level esper having perfect control over power cosmic as well as quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken.
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What the actual ****? Kaguya was not holding back so she did kill Naruto's clone by using Ash Bone. Because Kaguya and Zetsu thought the clone is the real Naruto. Since later Zetsu saw Naruto's behind Truth Seeking Ball and admit The Original.
Do you notice that she only starts using ash bones after Zetsu tells her to kill the duo?



Yeah, she was holding back she didn't want to kill them at that moment, after she returns to the ice dimension where Naruto and the others were, she starts destroying all of Naruto's clones and would have killed him if he didn't use the clone trick.
 
Do you notice that she only starts using ash bones after Zetsu tells her to kill the duo?



Yeah, she was holding back she didn't want to kill them at that moment, after she returns to the ice dimension where Naruto and the others were, she starts destroying all of Naruto's clones and would have killed him if he didn't use the clone trick.

yeah, she was holding back for most of the fight, she start fighting seriously after she was already weakened by dimension switching.
 
So I came back, yesterday I had a busy day and I couldn't talk about it here, but one thing I remembered if you've already addressed this you can forget about it, in episode 70 Guy understands that Madara was the strongest enemy they ever had faced:



Well I see this as a problem because Guy cites this after seeing base Momoshiki and Kinshiki fighting in the chunin exam.

Guy is the dumbest character in the series, he sacrificed his own life and almost died to reach the Madara 1 Rinnegan level, and Sakura surpassed that level after 12 years as a hospital director.

By the way, people underestimate narutoverse but we have characters that go from mountain level to planet level just for taking care of sick people in a hospital...
 
Do you notice that she only starts using ash bones after Zetsu tells her to kill the duo?



Yeah, she was holding back she didn't want to kill them at that moment, after she returns to the ice dimension where Naruto and the others were, she starts destroying all of Naruto's clones and would have killed him if he didn't use the clone trick.

I guess you didn't read or ignore Zetsu's claim. Zetsu said "Look like your doppelganger didn't have enough chakra. So you're the original" which mean he refers to the Original because of Truth Seeking Ball. Naruto laughs at them and replied to him. "Heh heh... You've found me out I'm the original."

Kaguya and Zetsu is dumb than Guy only he thought Naruto's clone was the Original Naruto and then so order him to Kaguya and killed Naruto's clone without TRUTH SEEKING BALL.
 
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