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To each their own, I personally don’t argue in threads I don’t care about cuz I uh don’t care about em, but you do you
You got it wrong, I don't care about profiles in the wiki, but I do find those topics interesting, that's why I just correct other posts or mention some backup arguments that one can use in general, without engaging in an actual debate with an intention to change a certain profile, basically, I do it just for fun in my spare time.
 
But if you pay attention it was stated in the same episode that she was actually afraid of the whole clan but yeah I have no intention in debating this, just dropping the scans nothing more nothing less.
this just tells us why they showed up and consistently Otsutsuki travel in pairs, she mentions Momo by name in the scroll and Sasuke outright says in that episode "its these guys Naruto that she was making the Zetsu army for" < when referring to Momoshiki and Kinshiki, quite obvious the entire clan narrative that ppl push isn't supported at all and is just extrapolating based on nothing
 
Lel, man that wasn't just a a ¨statement¨ that was literally the whole premise of the series. The 5-B feat comes from the literal premise of the series

PD: Only comed to respond that, i am not going to participate beyond in naruto crt
Well, how do you know if they weren't just going to raze the planets surface instead of busting the planet?
 
this just tells us why they showed up and consistently Otsutsuki travel in pairs, she mentions Momo by name in the scroll and Sasuke outright says in that episode "its these guys Naruto that she was making the Zetsu army for" < when referring to Momoshiki and Kinshiki, quite obvious the entire clan narrative that ppl push isn't supported at all and is just extrapolating based on nothing
this is just blatantly false, why she should even care about Momoshiki, even assuming he's stronger, she stopped supplying the whole clan, to her even if she beat up Momoshiki somehow, that doesn't solve the problem at all, the clan still sees her as a traitor, that's what the narrative implies and the logical conclusion to the events, however, I'm not pushing for anything here, cause my approaches is to conclude that Kaguya > Momoshiki, and if I will go from this claim, I will need to use other evidence to back up the notion, which I have a shit ton of them, but this will just turn the thread to Naruto Shippuden vs Boruto power scale and will drive from the original topic.
 
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Especially ONE EYED
but the scans GTsek was going to send don't apply One Eyed Madara is superior to Prime Kaguya, but the Weekend one after the dimension swapping, this particular one received damage from Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi (whose source of power is a tiny bit of One Eyed Madara Chakra), and if you want to, even Sakura (which was frightened to death from One Eyed Madara that she forgot to breathe).

Edit: also, in my opinion, the one who scales those Boruto fodders like Kages or Shikamaru to be above Kaguya is the one who "should not be allowed to keep talking"
 
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As y'all can see, these in red are drops of blood, it's exactly the same form Kishimoto draws the blood "flying" after a strong blow, I also sent some examples where the blood is drawn in the same way as in the Limbo scene.



And I'm not send this to argue "Madara 1 Rinnegan > Prime Kaguya" but rather as supporting evidence for his scale. He should scale to the duo, he was declared the most powerful shinobi in history in the databook, he was also declared close to Hagoromo, and he was also declared by Guy to be the most powerful enemy they faced, and the fact that he capable to hurt Naruto makes the statements true, then it must scale from version 1 Rinnegan.

PS: Guy hasn't seen Kaguya, so this statement doesn't apply to her
 
sorry i suddenly put this here,but i expect Sasuke ap calc to be higher but it better than no upgrade at all
 
why don't we use the multiplier we have for kcm1?
(also i think the god layers should be prioritized after editing arc7 OP)
 
Kurama's chakra doesn't work on strict multipliers, it's adding chakra to a person, how powerful they get depends on how much chakra he gives them, it can range from x3, x10, x100 and even x1000 but it's not an strict multiplier in the way you think.
 
The only one that has a multiplier through and through is Choji's Butterfly Mode and the first gate...and other non canon characters.
 
Yes.

Please go extremely in-depth on why these aren't multipliers.

No balls.
There are no multipliers, most of these are addition based (Curse Mark/Sage Mode is character+Nature Chakra, Jinnchuriki transformations are character+Bijuu chakra and you get the idea), they just happen to be x2/3/10/100/1000 stronger than base.
 
There are no multipliers, most of these are addition based (Curse Mark/Sage Mode is character+Nature Chakra, Jinnchuriki transformations are character+Bijuu chakra and you get the idea), they just happen to be x2/3/10/100/1000 stronger than base.
Coccession Accepted
 
Yes.

Please go extremely in-depth on why these aren't multipliers.

No balls.
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The only one that has a multiplier through and through is Choji's Butterfly Mode...and other non canon characters.
We also have the First Gate, and some other stuff. But nothing that's relevant for this thread, and certainly nothing for Naruto or Kurama's chakra. All the Kurama related amps are circumstantial and additive, and scale to nobody outside of the person who was stated to be amped by Xfactor (Kakashi and Kido, for instance)
 
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We also have the First Gate, and some other stuff. But nothing that's relevant for this thread, and certainly nothing for Naruto or Kurama's chakra. All the Kurama related amps are circumstantial and additive, and scale to nobody outside of the person who was stated to be amped by Xfactor (Kakashi and Kido, for instance)
Yeah, you explained it better than I ever could.
 
Is Delta going to have another Key if she shows any new feats, scaling, and/or new abilities?
If she does some things that are impossible to fit in with the OG Delta, or if some evidence arises for her being an entirely new/different model, then yeah probably.
 
Calm down Tarantino
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Off-topic, would Delta have some form of Resistance to Soul Manipulation or do we assume that her consciousness is her soul?
 
As y'all can see, these in red are drops of blood, it's exactly the same form Kishimoto draws the blood "flying" after a strong blow, I also sent some examples where the blood is drawn in the same way as in the Limbo scene.



And I'm not send this to argue "Madara 1 Rinnegan > Prime Kaguya" but rather as supporting evidence for his scale. He should scale to the duo, he was declared the most powerful shinobi in history in the databook, he was also declared close to Hagoromo, and he was also declared by Guy to be the most powerful enemy they faced, and the fact that he capable to hurt Naruto makes the statements true, then it must scale from version 1 Rinnegan.

PS: Guy hasn't seen Kaguya, so this statement doesn't apply to her

To add to this, Madara also tanked both Naruto and Sasuke's attack without a scratch, like he didn't even feel it, and was more curious about how he got there, the narrative implies that One Eyed Madara is Naruto and Sasuke's Equal, and most feats that people use to argue against that is misinterpreted badly, the infamous one is SOSP Naruto " One-Shotting" Madara which's objectively false,
First of all, Madara was weakened and he stated that Twice :
Madara stated that he is almost killed
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Madara stated that he didn't recover completely yet
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Naruto's Feats is Two
In the First One when he tried to punch him, Weekend Madara after a Near Death Expiement reacted and tanked it with ease (a FP Madara couldn't even block the air pressure from might guy's punches), in fact, Naruto didn't even dent the remaining of the TSO Shakujo, which have been destroyed by Guy earlier, resulting in his leg dissolving cause he touched it.
The Next Feat is the Lava Rasenshuriken's despite the fact that Madara was weekend it's still not an impressive feat at all, Nigh Guy is much much stronger than that.
Full Powered Madara almost died after he got his torso annihilated by Night Guy
an Almost Killed Madara tanked Naruto's Rasenshuriken leaving him without major damage (he didn't even split him in half or make him spit blood from his mouth)
look, just the fact that Naruto didn't kill Madara after all the beating he received from Guy shows you Madara's superiority, I'm more than sure that another punch from guy would end Madara at that time let alone Night Guy, and Naruto wasn't able to do so.
 
Madara confirms that he had not fully regenerated yet. He says "No, has his power suddenly increased?", he denies that this is the reason for being pressured, but still confirms that he is weakened, and he asks himself a question, not a confirmation, he is confused about the real reason why this is happening, and that doesn't change anything, as he himself confirms that he is weakened. Basically, Naruto Rikudō without Kurama's cape is able to physically pressure Madara 1 Rinnegan without Shinjuu weakened, but Madara 100% is another story. Also him being injured by the Rasenshuriken is not relevant here as it is senjutsu and senjutsu is the weakness of the Juubi Jins.
 
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