Jotaro (EoH) VS Jiren (DBS)

[StekFence]

Also, once he stops attacking, is there any opening that Jiren could make use of? any sign of a pause? or is he perpetually at infinite, and can win the fight before Jiren even moves

At ten meters range, his stand is gonna be pretty weak, and slow. But slowing a infinite speed stand is probably? still infinite

 

[Chariot190]

I'm still watching through star dust crusaders so...

 

[StekFence]

Since Imma make this clear.... even the slightest few seconds is enough for it to be over

Oh yeah I agree for sure. Jotaro is a glass cannon here

 

[StekFence]

Hey chariot. Am I making up some bullshit, or is my argument legit. Cos I’m basing this off half remembered discussions.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

At ten meters range, his stand is gonna be pretty weak, and slow. But slowing a infinite speed stand is probably? still infinite

Note that jiren scales with infinite as well, though not likely in speed, unless we assume typical dragonball which is speed = your power

 

[Chariot190]

Hey chariot. Am I making up some bullshit, or is my argument legit. Cos I’m basing this off half remembered discussions.

I'm like not paying attention to the actual arguments, only really came here to say that Dio said Jotaro wasn't as experienced with RO compared to him so beats me

 

[StekFence]

I'm like not paying attention to the actual arguments, only really came here to say that Dio said Jotaro wasn't as experienced with RO compared to him so beats me

I’m saying star plat has ten meters range, infinite speed, even when speed equalized, and therefore wins.

 

[Chariot190]

Plat's range is actually (effectively) 2 meters (4 with Star Finger, longer with other shit).

Speed equal shit I ain't getting into, that shit is still kinda weird and it's getting controversial, but I mean, technically I guess?

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

I'm very much willing to vote against Jiren (I love seeing dragonball beaten, since I'm tired of the wank it has), but I also don't want to vote strictly due to that

 

[StekFence]

Plat's range is actually (effectively) 2 meters (4 with Star Finger, longer with other shit).

Speed equal shit I ain't getting into, that shit is still kinda weird and it's getting controversial, but I mean, technically I guess?

Alr. I was scaling the range off the world

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Though I will wank Vegeta XD, since he's goated

 

[StekFence]

Though I will wank Vegeta XD, since he's goated

If only chou would too

 

[Chariot190]

Alr. I was scaling the range off the world

Yeah TW has 10m (effective) range, Plat has 2.
Though they can stray further, it's just past that point that point is completely ineffective. (Though sometimes a Stand's effective range is also its maximum, like with CD).

 

[Paradisum]

Surely Jotaro won't be able to survive Jiren's passive barrier since it produces shockwaves if star plat attacks 2:05

 

[StekFence]

Well Jotaro wincon is hax based. His punches were never gonna do anything anyway

 

[StekFence]

Surely Jotaro won't be able to survive Jiren's passive barrier since it produces shockwaves if star plat attacks 2:05

Barrier Can’t interact with stands I think.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Also, Jiren doesn't start with his barrier always active, someone with effectively infinite speed may be able to bypass it, since Infinite speed I see as stopped time, even if it is always active, it'd function likely more of as a wall


still in effective against reality warping, though that may be OOC for this, not sure though

 

[Paradisum]

Barrier Can’t interact with stands I think.

if thats the case stands would literally one shot anyone in dragon ball since they can bypass their aura, which is the reason for their durability

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

if thats the case stands would literally one shot anyone in dragon ball since they can bypass their aura, which is the reason for their durability

not quite, but it's a major defense for them

 

[StekFence]

if thats the case stands would literally one shot anyone in dragon ball since they can bypass their aura, which is the reason for their durability

I thought they used the ki on their bodies itself

 

[StekFence]

I vote jot via speed and hax btw.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

That's only the case in places like Goku hardening his own skin

I thought they used the ki on their bodies itself

 

[StekFence]

k

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Basically, if it was their aura, or ki use in their skin, then Hit shouldn't have been able to literally one tap SSB Goku and kill him with one Vital point strike

 

[StekFence]

I c

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Either way, Im voting Jotaro, since Reality warp

 

[joshpiece]

Jotaro FRA

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I forgor why this isn't inconclusive

 

[ZillertheBucko]

oh yeah I remember
Jotaro takes this because Jiren led by doing nothing against goku, he gets saitamaed here

 

[ZillertheBucko]

or it's just inconclusive because it's a whoever hits first situation

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

jiren is strong enough to one shot and has a resistance to jotaro's best ability, so yeah jiren slams

 

[Chariot190]

jiren is strong enough to one shot and has a resistance to jotaro's best ability, so yeah jiren slams

Jiren doesn't resist reality warping though what?

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Jiren CAN'T resist reality warping, the closest he can get, is breaking through dimensional walls and shit

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Which Idk why is on his profile, since he only ever truly did that in Xenoverse 2 while fighting Broly

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

I guess if you assume Gogeta Blue = MUI Goku, even though we actually don't have any solid proof the two are on even footing

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

use dio over heaven instead of jotaro lol

Then is a stomp for DIO, lol

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Jiren doesn't resist reality warping though what?

He means time stop, surely

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Jiren doesn't resist reality warping though what?

i meant time stop. and jotaro hasn't really used it in character other than against dio that one time. so its likely he would get one shot before then.

He means time stop, surely

yes, thank you, lmao.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Yeah, Timestop won't work on Jiren, since he'd simply break through it, and it wouldn't even last long enough to damage Jiren...

In other words, if Jotara doesn't get rid of Jiren immediately with his reality warp, He'd die pretty much instantly, however, since I guess his Stand has infinite speed still...

 

[Chariot190]

i meant time stop. and jotaro hasn't really used it in character other than against dio that one time. so its likely he would get one shot before then.

"he hasnt used his new main ability except the only time he's had it"

Yeah unfortunately, that ain't gonna fly, especially as we know this Jotaro uses shit the moment he gets it, he gains time stop and starts using it all the time even in cutscenes, he gains RO, uses it against Dio, and the game ends, aka, he used it when he got it. I surely hope you aren't about to argue Jotaro isn't gonna use his new shiny ability because we don't see him use it a dozen times, ignoring the fact the game ends as soon as he gets it making such a claim utterly unfair. If people don't like that, then don't use EOH Jotaro from the literal last five minutes of the game.

And if we're talking about "in character", it's just as likely Jiren doesn't kill the dude with a pl of like 8 and doesn't even recognize him as a threat, opting to, as gently as possible, to try and incap him instead, given Jiren is a pride trooper and hero of justice who doesn't kill unless really, really pushed to his limit and going through an existential crisis, and he sure ain't gonna try lethal force as a lead against from what he can sense, is just some dude who's pl is weaker than chapter 1 Goku.
I wouldn't get to hung up on what's "in character" for these dudes.