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please god lord, I don't want it to be, so that I don't have to deal with fluffy being like "I told you so"
my brain is still damaged from that debate
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please god lord, I don't want it to be, so that I don't have to deal with fluffy being like "I told you so"
start at 4:40Oh heroes is banned from having immeasurable speed. They said "at best they get time travel, nothing more".
start at 4:40
yeah igWhy does this matter. Jiren moves anyway
Playing as jotaro lets ypu move in dio time stop, and diegos time stop, so it seems like hes intended to not be able to move in dio ohs.Thats gameplay, not, like a cutscene, so I doubt he is given a higher level of potency
Where do you get the "time has a recharge" from? Based on what?Thats not opening thats halfway through the fight LMAO
When he activated it initially Pucci was a distance away. Rat was EXTEREMELY far away, Kira was definitely far as well.
10M away? Cool so Jiren uses his AOE air punch, or uses Danmaku, which one shots. He uses TS to dodge? Cool, gets one shot with the next attack, since time stop has a "recharge time". So regardless that still doesn't help Jotaro's case.
K so he opens by studying his opponent rather than the actual timestop, while jiren can just open with AOE attacks that one shot.
He uses it to indicate someone is about to lose consciousness. And if we know that if he loses consciousness he dies, and in jojos death is more or less unfixable, and it's not stated he loses consciousness but does come back despite all of that, then I would think hes just on the brink of dying, not actually unconscious. But hey, since you are probably gonna repeat what you said already, I won't push that point any further.
I never strawmanned what you said, nor was I being fallacious. In fact im literally quoting everything you say lmao.
Because Joseph wasn't dead, it was just a matter of returning his blood to him, and making his blood circulate through his body to him.
Yeah I have a different interpretation of that, and already addressed it. You can repeat yourself, thats perfectly fine, but unless my interpretation that he was just ABOUT to lose consciousness/die is contradicted, it would be upheld.
Again stands vary in functionality, you don't use how another stand works and apply it to all stands. Thats proof by example.
They aren't, they just use two names for it.
So it's bullshit for me to argue Jiren can analyze and predict what Jotaro is about to do? Interesting. Nice appeal to stone.
Does he have resistance to it? Nope. So that argument doesn't work.
OOC.
Thats like, obvious as shit. Can ya like, not act blind to it? Your like the first dude to ever go far for something like this. Please fix your reading ability my dude, its not even funny. Bruh.Guy has his eyes go totally white, doesnt respond anymore, isnt even aware, infact, mid-way DIO's swing, we see Jotaro's eyes snap open, and when DIO misses, we still see Jotaro looking up ahead just like how he opened his eyes.
Mistranslation and corrected both here and rebbit.Infinite Void Feat...
I think it is accepted as it. Apparently the actual japanese said something like "the world of void stretches on for eternity" which still implies its endless
Mistranslation and corrected both here and rebbit.
Eternity is time that's basic knowledge nothing distance.I think it is accepted as it. Apparently the actual japanese said something like "the world of void stretches on for eternity" which still implies its endless
ro has higher range than thatWhat the hell is being argued anymore? I thought we came to the conclusion that, jiren is outside SP'S range so jotaro needs to move at non infinite speed to get closer which gives jiren the chance to blink jotaro away. I don't even remember.
Aren't stands passive? I thought their always active since I haven't watched jojo.the thing about speed equalized not equalizing speed of the stand was considered "dumb enough that some don't even believe it exists" and yes it doesn't work like that contrary to what people are saying at least to what the latest mention by a staff/mod. speed equalized is meant to equalize speed and speed of attack/ability (except passives). stand still falls under abilities.
No. They need to be activated from the user.Aren't stands passive? I thought their always active since I haven't watched jojo.
Based on the fact directly after jotaro overlaps his time stop with dios, hes frozen in time and unable to activate it again? Based on the fact dio experienced the same thing?Where do you get the "time has a recharge" from? Based on what?
Answered already.Joseph was dead, who says he isnt???
I never argued against the stands being sentient. I did however, argue against the stands being able to act for a knocked out user. Stands being sentient doesn't defeat that lmao. Especially because the state of stands and their users are generally reflected. Using how other stands work to cite a general rule is still proof by example, being able to percieve/feel things doesn't defeat that lmao.In this case, it doesnt. You do know that there are different types of stands, and likewise, that many of them are also in the same type, right? Weather being sentient being used as an example of an sentient stand like Star Platinum, isnt different. They're sentient. Having different powers and what not, has nothing to do with a stand being cognizant. Speed, stats, powers, etc, doesnt matter, it doesnt even affect a stand being sentient, so, where are you getting this notion from?
No because Star Platinum is treated as an ability. Star Platinum itself is a Jotaro technique as said in the Notable Powers and Abilties, so anything Star Platinum does is counted as Attack Speed, which is separated from Jotaro's own combat speed.I see, thanks.
That means the stand speed would be decreased as well and wouldn't retain its speed.
Eternity means infinite or unending time and in that context, when its used to describe something spatially and not temporally, it still implies the space is endless.Eternity is time that's basic knowledge nothing distance.
Reaction speed is an aspect of combats speed, and speed equalization applies.I'm just gonna go with Jotaro cause he speed blitzes infinitely here
The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.Reaction speed is an aspect of combats speed, and speed equalization applies.
Also reaction speed doesn't even allow for a blitz
actually, star plat can move into that range, he just would be weaker, and a slower degree of inf. But star plats hits were never gonna do damage anyway. Or, Star plat can just reality warp from thereWhat the hell is being argued anymore? I thought we came to the conclusion that, jiren is outside SP'S range so jotaro needs to move at non infinite speed to get closer which gives jiren the chance to blink jotaro away. I don't even remember.
Eternity and infinity are different if you don't know this then I won't even indulge you in this.Eternity means infinite or unending time and in that context, when its used to describe something spatially and not temporally, it still implies the space is endless.
We can discuss in dms, this isn't the thread to talk about WoV lmao.
I've literally debunked that lmfao.So, In other words, stand is not infinite speed now
I'm actually reading it as speed is still equalized since you said stand is an ability.The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
Jotaro still has infinite speed reactions and perception, whenever you like it or not.
Thus is attack speed, which would still be infinite.I'm actually reading it as speed is still equalized since you said stand is an ability.
I already addressed that, you are just arguing from repetitionThe combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
Jotaro still has infinite speed reactions and perception, whenever you like it or not.
I never said they were the same. If you don’t want to discuss I understand.Eternity and infinity are different if you don't know this then I won't even indulge you in this.
It says it would be equalized also.Thus is attack speed, which would still be infinite.
OK then.I never said they were the same. If you don’t want to discuss I understand.
Anyways let’s not derail
No you didn't.I already addressed that, you are just arguing from repetition
Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.It says it would be equalized also.
It's not. It's just the Dragon Ball fans who make up shit in order win fights in a dishonest way.this equal speed system is needlessly complex, and seems intentionally made to be inefficient and create shit like this
It's like that actually so character's with certain attacks meant to be faster still retain their intended purposes and function, for example, imagine a gunslinger, who has a gun that, ya know, acts like a gun and is faster than him and can hit foes at a distance, but because of speed equal, his gun is just as fast as both him and his enemy, it'd make the gun completely useless and not work as it's meant to and it'll never hit a foe who's just as fast as the bullet and thus can dodge it with ease from afar.this equal speed system is needlessly complex, and seems intentionally made to be inefficient and create shit like this
I mean, wouldn't that be doubly so, if a character has something ridiculous like that, and is meant to be ridiculous and way beyond his base speed, equalizing it so it's on par completely ignores the point of it, it's meant to be fast and beyond what he is normally capable, it'd be even worse compared to the gun example. Like imagine in a situation where you equalized Made in Heaven or equalized BIG's speed, completely negating the point, or imagine in a match if Goku's transformations didn't amp speed (they do fyi in matches, only Goku's initial speed is equalized), and so on. If fast thing is meant to be > base speed, they stay > base speed, they still get equalized to an extent, but only to the point they're comparatively still the same to the base speed.until we get shit like an infinite reaction speed
Okay but infinite - infinite = infinite.No you didn't.
Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
No.
Let's take that Character A has 10 as Combat speed, 30'000'000 as Attack speed/Reactions, and Character B has 2000 as Combat speed.
Under speed equal, B would have their speed recuced to 10, thus character A would have their Attack speed/Reactions reduced of 200 too, aka just 150'000, while both have just 10 as Combat speed.