Jotaro (EoH) VS Jiren (DBS)

[The_Legendary_Vin]

World of void isn’t infinite

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Also, I'll note this isn't intended to be a serious argument

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

inf speed says hi

Me calling bullshit still want to know your location

 

[StekFence]

Me calling bullshit still want to know your location

Blame speed rules

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Also, secondary argument, Can Jotaro's stand even get rid of Jiren via the Reality hax without Jotaro instructing it?

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

World of void isn’t infinite

I think it is accepted as it. Apparently the actual japanese said something like "the world of void stretches on for eternity" which still implies its endless

Although I do not think it is considered nor allowed to scale any speed statistic of DB characters to infinite.

inf speed says hi

The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.

If this is correct, reactions should proportionally be reduced by the same multiplier?

 

[StekFence]

I think it is accepted as it. Apparently the actual japanese said something like "the world of void stretches on for eternity" which still implies its endless

Although I do not think it is considered nor allowed to scale any speed statistic of DB characters to infinite.


If this is correct, reactions should proportionally be reduced by the same multiplier?

Correct. But the speed is literally jotaros current speed rn, so star plats speed doesnt change

 

[StekFence]

Also, secondary argument, Can Jotaro's stand even get rid of Jiren via the Reality hax without Jotaro instructing it?

Dunno. Why?

 

[sanicspood]

I think it is accepted as it. Apparently the actual japanese said something like "the world of void stretches on for eternity" which still implies its endless

Although I do not think it is considered nor allowed to scale any speed statistic of DB characters to infinite.

no we had a specicic revision for that, this is why toppo and goku doesn't have high uni range anymore

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

no we had a specicic revision for that, this is why toppo and goku doesn't have high uni range anymore

ah then nvm. my mistake

 

[StekFence]

I think it is accepted as it. Apparently the actual japanese said something like "the world of void stretches on for eternity" which still implies its endless

Although I do not think it is considered nor allowed to scale any speed statistic of DB characters to infinite.


If this is correct, reactions should proportionally be reduced by the same multiplier?

Reducing inf speed by any finite multiplier is still inf

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Dunno. Why?

Because if not, Then it's effectively limited, unless it's been shown to do this without being instructed, and does so automatically, in other words, it relies on him having enough time to tell it to, which would be a window in which jotaro could die

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Why are we even factoring time stop? Jiren breaks past time stops with ease

? Based on? Who said he breaks through it with ease though? Time stop +1 says hello, and Base Jiren would still struggle. cool.

 

[StekFence]

Because if not, Then it's effectively limited, unless it's been shown to do this without being instructed, and does so automatically, in other words, it relies on him having enough time to tell it to, which would be a window in which jotaro could die

Inf speed reactions

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Inf speed reactions

AoE, and Jotaro doesn't have Inf reactions

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

And, the stand can't reverse death... correct?

 

[StekFence]

? Based on? Who said he breaks through it with ease though? Time stop +1 says hello, and Base Jiren would still struggle. cool.

He surpassed hits doubly layered ts, while jots is single layer

 

[StekFence]

And, the stand can't reverse death... correct?

Correct, not directly anyway, it can change someones fated death tho

 

[StekFence]

AoE, and Jotaro doesn't have Inf reactions

He does. Its on the profile

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Reducing inf speed by any finite multiplier is still inf

it would just go down infinitely
either way it implies that all statistics would be equalized. Its very odd to have a higher speed statistic in threads that are made specifically to prevent that, no?

? Based on? Who said he breaks through it with ease though? Time stop +1 says hello, and Base Jiren would still struggle. cool.

Time skip < Time cage =< Jiren's resistance
even if it was just baseline, so is jotaro's time stop im pretty sure.
jotaro's and dio's time stop aren't necessarily more potent than one another, they just stop more time.

 

[StekFence]

it would just go down infinitely
either way it implies that all statistics would be equalized. Its very odd to have a higher speed statistic in threads that are made specifically to prevent that, no?

Time skip < Time cage =< Jiren's resistance
even if it was just baseline, so is jotaro's time stop im pretty sure.
jotaro's and dio's time stop aren't necessarily more potent than one another, they just stop more time.

Jotaro can move in a basic ts, but cant perceive over heaven ts at all

 

[StekFence]

it would just go down infinitely

It does not. Lets say the speed of jot is reduced by 3. His superhuman movement is now 1/3 the speed. But his stands infinite speed is now 1/3 infinite. Which should still be infinite to my knowledge

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Jotaro can move in a basic ts, but cant perceive over heaven ts at all

Over heaven ts is greater 2x baseline? How?

 

[StekFence]

This is so people like gun users cant outrun their own

It does not. Lets say the speed of jot is reduced by 3. His superhuman movement is now 1/3 the speed. But his stands infinite speed is now 1/3 infinite. Which should still be infinite to my knowledge

bullets

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Righty, now do you see the problem here for Jotaro? Even with Infinite speed, without the instructions to reality bend Jiren into nothing, (Assuming it can't do so independently), it takes a small bit of time to give those directions, even with you now saying that Jotaro has infinite reactions, or even to think those to the stand or whatever (Neurons aren't instant), he can't just stop time to give himself enough time to think, Jiren opens his eyes, and the sheer shockwaves levels everything for miles, if not the entire planet going poof

 

[StekFence]

Over heaven ts is greater 2x baseline? How?

Im pretty sure its just above baseline. Dio/jotaro = base ts, and dioHA/jotaro eoh = one layer

 

[StekFence]

Assuming it can't do so independently

It can take action. Also, jotaros thought speed has to be infinite, in order to command his stand to fight another infinit speed stand like dio had

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

It can take action. Also, jotaros thought speed has to be infinite, in order to command his stand to fight another infinit speed stand like dio had

if he had infinite thought speed... then why exactly would he use time stops to have time to think (I think I saw that on his profile)

 

[StekFence]

nd the sheer shockwaves levels everything for miles, if not the entire planet going poof

In fairness, air doesnt move in ts, but jotaro prob cant get out of the way regardless wothout dimensional travel

 

[StekFence]

if he had infinite thought speed... then why exactly would he use time stops to have time to think (I think I saw that on his profile)

Thats part 4 him, who has Mftl instead of inf

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

It does not. Lets say the speed of jot is reduced by 3. His superhuman movement is now 1/3 the speed. But his stands infinite speed is now 1/3 infinite. Which should still be infinite to my knowledge

reaction speed is an aspect of combat speed

Reaction speed is the speed at which a character can react to an event or action. This usually only grants a short movement upon reaction, whereas several movements at the same speed switch it to combat speed.

Im pretty sure its just above baseline. Dio/jotaro = base ts, and dioHA/jotaro eoh = one layer

Jirens resistance is over 1x baseline. Time skip (baseline) < Time cage (1x) =< Suppressed Jiren's resistance (2x) =< Potentially better when using full power?
Also how is jotaro/dio over heaven's time stop more potent than before?

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

ah

 

[StekFence]

Also how is jotaro/dio over heaven's time stop more potent than before?

Dio over heaven stopped base jotaro from moving compeltely with ts

 

[Bababo]

I wish inf\immesurable speed dbs was a thing...

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

I wish inf\immesurable speed dbs was a thing...

please god lord, I don't want it to be, so that I don't have to deal with fluffy being like "I told you so"

 

[StekFence]

Heroes or xeno will prob get one. They have all the good feats

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

I have a lack of love for Heroes (At some point, I'll probably try and lower Xenoverse to regular DBS levels, since Im affectionate of it)

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Dio over heaven stopped base jotaro from moving compeltely with ts

Scan? Also jotaro has to overlap his TS in order to move in one.

I wish inf\immesurable speed dbs was a thing...

Off wiki debating, yeah you could easily get characters there.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Heroes or xeno will prob get one. They have all the good feats

Oh heroes is banned from having immeasurable speed. They said "at best they get time travel, nothing more".

 

[StekFence]

Scan? Also jotaro has to overlap his TS in order to move in one.

Prob can find a clip on yt. The whole games on there practically

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Oh heroes is banned from having immeasurable speed. They said "at best they get time travel, nothing more".

WHEEZE

they need nerfs