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No. You need to be 1.2x away to even hope to upscale into the next tier.
Also didn't Sans get that removed?
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The Undertale CRT!! (Low to High Tiers ONLY)
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Also didn't Sans get that removed?
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Nooope, he didn't, it's there. A whopping 2.3x difference being upscaled. How 'bout that?
I mean, what do we do? 6.1 to 10 is 1.6x, it's less than the one currently used, and it's closer to 1.2x, no?
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He does it in his sleep too, so I guess it's pretty solid he is >>>>>Mach 6.1 in reactions. But apparently that's not allowed (even though it's in the profile)
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I'm just parroting what I've heard mods say on the matter, but sans had that since before upscaling into the next tier was made stricter, so it's well possible nobody made a CRT for him
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Oh wait, no, you're wrong. It's a case-by-case basis. It's even stated as such in the powerscaling page. And the upper range of a tier is far more "liberating" than most.
Hypersonic+ is still the same tier as Hypersonic.
Any scaling chain they used for Sans before definitely applies here.
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Neat, how ridiculous is the scaling chain? I'd like some mod input on it before we go hail mary tho
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Oh, you don't say?(1 AM for me but same difference)
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I don't know what they used, but going off my head
Sans >>>>> Genocide LV 19 Frisk > Undyne the Undying > Genocide LV 13-15 Frisk Sea Tea Boosted (4x) >>>> Sea Tea Boosted (4x) Pacifist LV 1 Frisk = Mach 6.1 = 2x the Mach 3.05 feat.
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Laughs at 5 AM
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They should be Hypersonic+ anyway and proceed to upscale into High Hypersonic if one of those 4x amps is true, and if both can be stacked we' re looking at Massively Hypersonic for Sans
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Oh, no no, it's not a 4x multiplier.
Frisk can get boosted 4x by sea tea, which basically doubles the speed of the SOUL.
Genocide Frisk Boosted should be far faster than Pacifist Frisk Boosted because their base forms are so far apart.
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Okay, glad we got that cleared, Sans would have been ****** impossible to use if he had Massively Hypersonic reactions lol
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Also i think mettatons neos durability should be wall level and mad dummys defenses unknown. Definitely for mad dummy since hes just really easy to destroy with some immortality involved.
Im fine with sans having hypersonic+ reactions yee.
Btw for frisks profile you could add the oven feat under his dura and say something like “although it is unknown how determined or durable he was at this point)
Im fine with sans having hypersonic+ reactions yee.
Btw for frisks profile you could add the oven feat under his dura and say something like “although it is unknown how determined or durable he was at this point)
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Mad Dummy is just invulnerable to physical attacks, magical attacks should still work against him, and thus, he should have a set amount of durability imo. NEO's durability is... a little more complicated, but I downscaled his durability to baseline 9-A, this should be enough.
Will include, yes. It will be something like "Varies. Wall level with minimal levels of Determination", and so on.
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Its more of a resistance since his non corporeal form restores his body. Since the attacks are only harming him by magic (and cant really kill or even shatter him) it seems kinda more of a resistance. Frisks attacks are more effective than those.
Uhuhhh... why? His defences listed are basically snowdin level and hes glass cannon. You can say the same thing for vulkin too btw since frisk always one shots him.
Basically how he is now lol
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Frisk's physical strikes destroy the dummy easily but the ghost possessing it is unharmed, MD's minions' magical attacks actually harm the ghost as well?
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You guys talking about Sans moving speed or attack speed?
If you talking about his dodging I would like to join and totally nerf Snas speed.
If you talking about his dodging I would like to join and totally nerf Snas speed.
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It hits the dummy, but not the ghost. The ghost itself still has Small Building durability on its own.
The magic was hurting him, so, someone from Deltarune with higher ap, for example, should be able to kill him because they have SOUL hax unlike Frisk.
... You said DEF isn't consistent, his DEF stat is higher than some Waterfall Monsters too.
Yeah. But with a lot more AP differences
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You gon' have a bad time doing so, we're upgrading his reaction speed to Hypersonic+
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Oh, REACTION speed. Nah, not really.
If you talking about dodging, so it's just... uh.. English is not my native language, so I will use russian.
У него полное понимания языка тела что показывалось много раз.
Выбор кнопками это движение тела так как когда на нас Андайн использовала паралич души мы не могли двигать душой но могли двигать телом. а когда мы сражались с Азриэлем мы не могли использовать кнопки но могли уворачиватся.
Поэтому можно легко сказать что Санс просто видит что мы собираемся ударить и УЖЕ понимает куда мы ударим и заранее отходит от атаки еще до ее появления.
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But still, not that very speed speed speed level. And that means that we... uh...
Замахнулись на Снаса, поэтому пока мы собираемся нанести удар он увернулся. Я могу попробовать увернуться от ремня, но конечно я не скилловый но у меня получилось. Это не даёт мне скорость гиперзвука.
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Someone attacking you with a belt isn't moving at hypersonic speed...
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But it's slash, and how we see... Flowey didn't die at little amount time and there's some sort of... uh задержка между ударами что позволяет понять что удары не происходят на скорости гиперзвука.
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I know what you're saying, but I don't know what you're saying
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Короче вот смотри. Если бы удары проходили со скоростью 3000+ км в час то как минимум катсцена удара Флауи и финальный удар по сансу был бы намного быстрее. И нет, это не игровые механики т.к это уже реально КАТСЦЕНА. Понимаешь? Пример с пустым пистолетом был бы эффективнее, но вот проблема в том что он просто видел как мы прицеливаемся и уклоняется не прямо возле пули (Там вообще нет пуль, это магическая атака т.к пистолет пустой)
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The thing there is just that Toby himself probably doesn't care about "accurately" portraying the strength of the characters according to power scaling logic. He isn't gonna make Frisk's attack animations last 0.000000001 seconds or whatever because they're hypersonic according to power scaling, that would just look dumb.
Remember, straight up lightning looks slow as balls in Vulkin's fight; the speed of attacks in the game's abstract battle sequences shouldn't be taken at face value. Using power scaling logic specifically, it could be explained as the characters (Sans and Frisk here) mutually perceiving their super-fast attacks as average speed, like how people sometimes explain Goku vs Freeza actually lasting 5 minutes.
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Monsters attacks is made by magic, not actually physical ones.
Да и тем более, то что показано в катсцене уже говорит о том что было на самом деле. Понимаешь ли, это прямо как говорить что в кастцене какого фильма что это был выстрел не из рогатки а из например массивной чёрной дыры которая находилось в сапоге главного героя.
Так что видишь ли, то что произошло в катсцене произошло на самом деле, и там не было всяких ультра гипер скоростей. Если вы говорите про скорость атак монстров то ладно, но вот передвижение и увороты уже забавно как-то.
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Yeah, just someone will go and say that my words have no point. But my goal was just to say that physical=/=magic.
And I wonder, if you using pixel calculation on Explosion, but not using this calculation on speed attacks. Kinda weird. But they don't care, at least try to not ignore my words and try to calculate. Maybe it would be fun tho. Don't bother to insult me or something.
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Btw I kinda tired too, but I hope you guys got the point, try to calculate speed with pixel calculations. That would be far funnier and interesting.
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is it possible for an 8B undyne?
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Absolutely not, she doesn't have a human SOUL.
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I mean as undyne the undying. also why is pacifist frisk stronger than genocide frisk?
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Agreed with this
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Genocide Frisk relies on stats, Pacifist Frisk relies on Determination.
Undyne the Undying is a perfect example for why the latter is more reliable.
But through their runs, Genocide Frisk is generally stronger. Pacifist Frisk only takes the lead during the Omega Flowey and Asriel fights respectively.
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