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So show me when Naruto was capable of swapping hands with Ishiki I’ll wait.

Your Karma point is just wrong and honestly idiotic. Your saying Jigen isn’t 5-C because he didn’t absorb chakra with the Karma seal? No that’s not how it works. And he did absorb some of Koji’s Jutsus literally in their first exchange so your point just makes no sense.

Read page 3 Koji is 5-C in base no matter what.

Why are we even discussing this still.
 
So show me when Naruto was capable of swapping hands with Ishiki I’ll wait.

Your Karma point is just wrong and honestly idiotic. Your saying Jigen isn’t 5-C because he didn’t absorb chakra with the Karma seal? No that’s not how it works. And he did absorb some of Koji’s Jutsus literally in their first exchange so your point just makes no sense.

Read page 3 Koji is 5-C in base no matter what.

Why are we even discussing this still.
Imagine trying to compare a few of kojis fire balls to a shit ton of ten tails chakra. It’s also evident that him absorbing it didn’t do shit because it’s stated he was literally almost out of chakra. And u have also failed to debunk the kawaki stuff and everything else.
 
You do realize Jigen took a kick from Sasuke and tanked it before he absorbed any chakra….

This point that Jigens karma isn’t already 5-C is just down right stupid. Does Karma get stronger after absorbing jutsu yes. But that doesn’t mean he’s severely weaker without absorbing chakra.

That’s not swapping hands are you being ignorant on purpose? Show me 1 panel of Naruto not getting completely over powered every time Ishiki hits him.

This is swapping hands
 
You do realize Jigen took a kick from Sasuke and tanked it before he absorbed any chakra….

This point that Jigens karma isn’t already 5-C is just down right stupid. Does Karma get stronger after absorbing jutsu yes. But that doesn’t mean he’s severely weaker without absorbing chakra.

That’s not swapping hands are you being ignorant on purpose? Show me 1 panel of Naruto not getting completely over powered every time Ishiki hits him.

This is swapping hands

With the new upgrade, Jigen's Karma is now Low 5-B
 
You do realize Jigen took a kick from Sasuke and tanked it before he absorbed any chakra….

This point that Jigens karma isn’t already 5-C is just down right stupid. Does Karma get stronger after absorbing jutsu yes. But that doesn’t mean he’s severely weaker without absorbing chakra.

That’s not swapping hands are you being ignorant on purpose? Show me 1 panel of Naruto not getting completely over powered every time Ishiki hits him.

This is swapping hands

 
Show me 1 panel of Naruto blocking Ishiki’s strike and standing his ground.



Imagine comparing a 6-B to 6-A chakra pool to a 5-C one lol
U literally just told me that chakra doesn’t mean power but stamina yet your using the fact that the ten tails is weaker to wank how much chakra jigen absorbed
 
What about Koji blocking punch from Isshiki here

and wrestling him here

and takes a punch here
 

Why are you showing me Jigen
U literally just told me that chakra doesn’t mean power but stamina yet your using the fact that the ten tails is weaker to wank how much chakra jigen absorbed
that just shows how dumb your argument is. If chakra is stamina like I’ve proven it doesn’t matter how much they absorb they still are the same strength. Lol wtf are u on

Do you even know what Tanked means? Lol wtf Sasuke is beaten and Bloody but he tanked them?
Them blocking isshikis attack? That’s all u needed to ask for lmfao


Them? All I see is Sasuke and doesn’t Ishiki over power him a sec later? Holy shit your arguments are just cherry-picking certain scenes that don’t show the full picture
 
Show me 1 panel of Naruto blocking Ishiki’s strike and standing his ground.



Imagine comparing a 6-B to 6-A chakra pool to a 5-C one lol
Further proof that jigen was weaker,
He ranks Amaterasu with no effort which is stated as hot as the sun, but then in the koji fight he dies to ******* natural fire🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Why are you showing me Jigen

that just shows how dumb your argument is. If chakra is stamina like I’ve proven it doesn’t matter how much they absorb they still are the same strength. Lol wtf are u on

Do you even know what Tanked means? Lol wtf Sasuke is beaten and Bloody but he tanked them?

Them? All I see is Sasuke and doesn’t Ishiki over power him a sec later? Holy shit your arguments are just cherry-picking certain scenes that don’t show the full picture
Cherry picking certain scenes? Sasuke didn’t get any substantial wounds when he tanked the cubes but koji was on the verge of death when he got hit with the pillars. My only arguement that chakra scales to power was in terms of karma u would know this if u bothered to read my damn arguements. Jigen tanks Amaterasu but then dies to normal fire and u still have the audacity to tell me he’s not nerfed? U say I’m cherry picking but u literally just cherry picked my entire arguement. The statements about how Naruto and sasuke were stronger u have not debunked them because u can’t it’s impossible, the proof I showed u that karma was reactive to how much chakra it absorbs, u have not debunked it. U just nit picked my entire arguement without debunking anything that was relevant to the main focus
 
Further proof that jigen was weaker,
He ranks Amaterasu with no effort which is stated as hot as the sun, but then in the koji fight he dies to ******* natural fire🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So at this point your just trolling huh? Your arguments don’t make any sense. He was able to absorb Amaterasu he couldn’t absorb the other fire…
 


So where on here does it say Karma is dependent on the amount of chakra you absorb?

I gave u like 3 sources of proof were it clearly shows to be reactive on how much chakra it has and u bring some bullshit guides that don’t tell the full story to try and prove your point? U down bad bruh. Why do u think jigen is so much stronger than kawaki even tho they have the same karma? Because it’s not the fact that jigen’s extraction is completed because kawaki’s exctraction was on 80% meaning jigen would only be 20% stronger but nope jigen takes ten tails chakra to make him stronger
 
So at this point your just trolling huh? Your arguments don’t make any sense. He was able to absorb Amaterasu he couldn’t absorb the other fire…
We know that isshiki had about 2-3 days before he died.but when isshiki fights baryon mode he has 20 hours left. Meaning naruto and sasuke managed to survive a battle with Isshiki for at least a day. Yet koji on the verge of death in minutes bro
 
We know that isshiki had about 2-3 days before he died.but when isshiki fights baryon mode he has 20 hours left. Meaning naruto and sasuke managed to survive a battle with Isshiki for at least a day. Yet koji on the verge of death in minutes bro
And again u have not debunked the ****** statements of Kashin koji stated weaker by the most reliable sources possible
 
Honestly idk why I’m debating this your not even making clear arguments. Your just making stuff up then asking me to prove a negative.

The Karma is not reliant on absorbing chakra never been stated too nor has it been shown that way. In the scans I’ve sent it shows clearly it’s just a hard drive of outsuki chakra/DNA. It’s not reliant on absorbing chakra.

Jigen was at 10% chakra reserves not strength your argument is dumb and incorrect.

And you continue to argue absorbing chakra from the ten tails makes his Karma stronger. Show scans of that being stated.

Shit show any scans of ANYBODY saying the karma is reliant on absorbing chakra
 
Unless you show statements saying the Karna is reliant on absorbing chakra I’m not responding.

Everybody agreed to discuss Naruto and Sasuke scaling to Ishiki in another thread. Your just being ignorant and disrespectful
 
Guys, let's just use Occams Razor here, shall we?
On panel throughout the manga, we see Naruto, Sasuke and Sage Mode Kashin Koji land hits, take hits and swap hands with Isshiki.
 
Honestly idk why I’m debating this your not even making clear arguments. Your just making stuff up then asking me to prove a negative.

The Karma is not reliant on absorbing chakra never been stated too nor has it been shown that way. In the scans I’ve sent it shows clearly it’s just a hard drive of outsuki chakra/DNA. It’s not reliant on absorbing chakra.

Jigen was at 10% chakra reserves not strength your argument is dumb and incorrect.

And you continue to argue absorbing chakra from the ten tails makes his Karma stronger. Show scans of that being stated.

Shit show any scans of ANYBODY saying the karma is reliant on absorbing chakra
Karma has been shown many times and I showed proof but your dumbass keeps ignoring it. **** do u mean show scans of that being stated that’s literally why he was able to body naruto and sasuke but lost to someone stated weaker than them. When he’s absorbing ten tails chakra his karma grows and he gets a horn along side the rest of the other proof I have shown. But u didn’t bother to read those
 
Unless you show statements saying the Karna is reliant on absorbing chakra I’m not responding.

Everybody agreed to discuss Naruto and Sasuke scaling to Ishiki in another thread. Your just being ignorant and disrespectful
I’m being disrespectful??? Through out this entire debate u haven’t once looked at the proof I’ve shown. If u even bothered to look at my proof u would know it’s indirectly stated when it’s being compared to the byakugo seal but u didn’t bother
 
Guys, let's just use Occams Razor here, shall we?
On panel throughout the manga, we see Naruto, Sasuke and Sage Mode Kashin Koji land hits, take hits and swap hands with Isshiki.
Using Occam’s razor I am literally right because it’s STATED VERBATIM THAT HE IS WEAKER and when kawaki absorbs a lot of chakra his karma starts to glow and his attacks get stronger
 
At this point if you continue to call me dumbass and disrespectful I’m reporting you. Nobody is being disrespectful but you.

If you can’t handle somebody disagreeing with you then get the **** off the site
 
You mean the second form of the Karma 😂 That’s not bc of ten tails chakra shit Boroshiki had the horn before he absorbed chakra from Naruto.


^ wow so respectful
Ofc I’m being disrespectful now because u have been disrespectful from the start. I’m not sayin that it’s because he absorbed chakra that he got a horn I am saying when he’s absorbing chakra the horn grows showing that his karma is reactive to it ffs. Also borushikis case is very different. Isshikis physical body is still in jigen. Momoshiki had died. The only remains he had left were in boruto
 
At this point if you continue to call me dumbass and disrespectful I’m reporting you. Nobody is being disrespectful but you.

If you can’t handle somebody disagreeing with you then get the **** off the site
I literally presented my arguements in a respective way but u don’t even check the proof behind them u just call them dumb and u think your being repsecful
 
@ Sageof8paths you know you can get in trouble for censoring yourself for certain words right? That's seen as trying to get around the Banned Words list or something like that.
 
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