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5A upgrade for some boruto characters

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Wait, so this upgrade hinges on KK scaling, yes? And the basis for KK scaling is that he fought 10% Jigen and was implied comparable to Delta?
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Pretty much.
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Why is it assumed “Base Koji”, though? He was featless sans Vs Jigen (Unless you Count Flexing on Konohamaru). There is also literally no feats or implications that Koji could take Delta in “Base”. For all we know, he could’ve been confident due to being able to pull out SM on her. After all, considering even Amado STATES Koji is not as strong as Naruto and Sasuke, even with Sage Mode factored in, it stands to reason SM is the only card Koji has to pull to logically defeat Delta (Whom actually has feats against a non-killing Intent Naruto).

This is of-course ignoring the FACT that Jigen Required 90% of his power to actually beat Naruto and Sasuke as he did (To the point Jigen could barely stand after the fact), which is WHY he was at 10% to begin with.

10% Jigen ~ Delta ~ Base Koji is contradictory to the facts of the fight and Amado’s own assessment of Koji compared to Naruto/Sasuke.
 
TFO said:
Why is it assumed “Base Koji”, though? He was featless sans Vs Jigen (Unless you Count Flexing on Konohamaru). There is also literally no feats or implications that Koji could take Delta in “Base”. For all we know, he could’ve been confident due to being able to pull out SM on her. After all, considering even Amado STATES Koji is not as strong as Naruto and Sasuke, even with Sage Mode factored in, it stands to reason SM is the only card Koji has to pull to logically defeat Delta (Whom actually has feats against a non-killing Intent Naruto).

This is of-course ignoring the FACT that Jigen Required 90% of his power to actually beat Naruto and Sasuke as he did (To the point Jigen could barely stand after the fact), which is WHY he was at 10% to begin with.

10% Jigen ~ Delta ~ Base Koji is contradictory to the facts of the fight and Amado’s own assessment of Koji compared to Naruto/Sasuke.
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So many things wrong here and I'll get to it
 
okay so base koji being 5b does make perfect sense.
1. you say koji might have only been able to take on delta in sage mode. may i remind you that sage mode is just a stat boost. it is not going to take koji from a different tier all the way to tier 5.
2. If you look at the statement when amado said koji lacks the fire power to end ishikki while the duo might it does not contradict anything as he as referring to both of them and not individually. Lets even take the statement as referring to them individually. A base naruto already scales to this value. That would make koji like what? sage mode naruto level? yeah that's still vastly weaker than a full powered naruto and sasuke.
3. now finally let's look at it from a logical standpoint. Amado made cyborgs even stronger than jigen so we are not doubting his ability. He also ugraded delta beyond code in a matter of days . It is logically impossible for same smart amado to then make his trump card, the cyborg he wanted responsible for bringing jigen down to be weaker than delta. A delta by the way who is much inferior to jigen. I know yes you'd be saying, well all this could be in sage mode. The answer is no, it has to be base koji. We can infer from the info we have that koji most likely trained to get sage mode. Amado cannot give him that so at the point of creation it was just base koji, he at some point trained and aquired sage mode. It would be illogical for amado to hav created koji from the start weaker. more logical to say they were at least relative or koji superior.


I'd like to also point out that koji is given a "likely" rating and not a full rating(I think it should be a full rating) . If you still don't think it is valid then make a dowgrade thread
 
MeiouHades said:
Do you even read? Goku has SPECIFIC CONTEXT as to why that happened (especially in the pebble example, it’s literally part of his training to master SSJ), it’s not a simple “yeah well he had his guard down”. Isshiki does not have that kind of context. To blatantly ignore the former and equate them when they’re completely different is just downright intellectual dishonesty.
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In Naruto, being caught off-guard also has been shown to lower ones durability.
 
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