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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Rizaadxn said:
You must have beacause AFO ignoring Kurogiri's existence is completely nonsensical.

Because the planes on Tartarus are inconvenient to use as you have to keep a guard alive and make multiple trips and using teleportation is a thousand times easier and more efficient, is that not obvious?

We see AFO in one of the planes. His flight isn't shown to be particularly great anyways.

The goop teleporter is ***** compared to Kurogiri and no, AFO isn't the one who attacked the other prisons. It was Tartarus inmates and High-Ends.

He has been abandoned in Tartarus. If he hadn't been abandoned we would have seen him already.

That doesn't matter. Ignoring the fact that using teleportation would make things a thousand times easier and more efficient, it is just completely nonsensical that AFO forgot about Kurogiri and was forced to inconvenience himself using a Tartarus guard for the planes.

I'm not disappointed in that. In fact I knew it was coming and I sorta answered to it in my reply to Earthyboy.

What is disappointing is that AFO is forced to make a stupid decision he wouldn't logically make.

Fair enough but this point also becomes irrelevant since AFO still has Forcible Quirk Activation.

No, that doesn't answer my question. Not at all. That doesn't answer why we didn't even see a single scene of AFO looking for or mentioning Kurogiri at the very least.

You're also saying that with the hindsight of the reader, AFO himself doesn't know that, and we can't assume he does because we didn't see a scene of him going to Kurogiri to see that. Do you see the issue here?


Currently Kurogiri is unconscious so AFO could have just used Forcible Quirk Activation. But let's say Shirakumo's personality was back and he caused problems later down the line, that's not exactly hard to deal with, AFO could just give him additional quirks to make him braindead and then use Forcible Quirk Activation on him until they retrieve the Doctor to fix his programming.

That would be along AFO's line of thinking but no, Kurogiri has just been completely forgotten by AFO so Horikoshi can do this whole Shirakumo returns story line. That is the reason why it is forced.

AFO has been forced to do something he would not do if it wasn't for a separate subplot that Horikoshi wants to continue. That is bad writing no matter how you look at it. Especially considering how useful of an asset Kurogiri is to the villains.
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Basically you are making these statements based on assumptions. I'm 100% sure I haven't missed a single chapter so I know Kurogiri's status is a complete mystery. We have zero knowledge of even how AFO left Tarturus. Also Kurogiri isn't AFO's bossom buddy but a tool. We know AFO had many actual alive followers taken down by All Might but we didn't see him with them. He did everything solo, he didn't even bring any Nomus. This is just nitpicking stuff out of nowhere. You don't even know where Kurogiri is since he wasn't even shown again.

Also AFO can 100% fly. His strength is on par with All Might so he should be able to fly with air pressure just like All Might, add levitation and his flight would be even better than All Might's.
 
Rizaadxn said:
Currently Kurogiri is unconscious so AFO could have just used Forcible Quirk Activation. But let's say Shirakumo's personality was back and he caused problems later down the line, that's not exactly hard to deal with, AFO could just give him additional quirks to make him braindead and then use Forcible Quirk Activation on him until they retrieve the Doctor to fix his programming.

That would be along AFO's line of thinking but no, Kurogiri has just been completely forgotten by AFO so Horikoshi can do this whole Shirakumo returns story line. That is the reason why it is forced.

AFO has been forced to do something he would not do if it wasn't for a separate subplot that Horikoshi wants to continue. That is bad writing no matter how you look at it. Especially considering how useful of an asset Kurogiri is to the villains.
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Being brain dead doesn't work like that. Sure, the doctor has experienced with Nomu, but it's not really clear how they were created, nor was it clear how Shikamuro was overhauled into Kurogiri. It's not specified how they remodel the Nomu's brain or what's the limits of their technology.

The smart and rational thing to do here would be to ignore Kurogiri and escape via your own efforts. I also remember AFO having a warp quirk anyways, it's not as good as Kurogiri's, but it was enough to teleport the LOV and Bakugo 3 kilometers away from All Might. So essentially, Kurogiri seems to be worthless to AFO at the moment.
 
Earthyboy said:
Finally got around to calculating Midoriya's Delaware Smash. It was higher than what I expected it to be.
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So if that gets accepted Deku’s 100% Flicks get their own rating
Cool
If his flicks get rated would that mean his attack speed is higher with 100% Flicks?

Although I’m pretty sure they don’t fully scale to shoto’s Ice Durability since he was obliterating them almost every time but Oh Well.
 
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Jackof_noTrades068 said:
So if that gets accepted Deku’s 100% Flicks get their own rating
Cool
If his flicks get rated would that mean his attack speed is higher with 100% Flicks?

Although I’m pretty sure they don’t fully scale to shoto’s Ice Durability since he was obliterating them almost every time but Oh Well.
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Yeah, that's what I hope. Midoriya classifies his own Delaware Smashes as weaker than his full-on 100% ones, which would earn them their own Tier. We'll have to see what the mods think about this.
 
The shockwaves might be faster but the flick itself isn't.
Yeah unless it's concentrated it doesn't scale, it has a large AoE too. It can still kinda buffer the blast though.

If you divide the results of that calc by 5, it'll give 41 tons for Air Force 20% Flick. Probably invalid though since we don't scale OFA linearly (and it'll make Gentle 8-B).
 
Metalballrun said:
The shockwaves might be faster but the flick itself isn't.
Yeah unless it's concentrated it doesn't scale, it has a large AoE too. It can still kinda buffer the blast though.

If you divide the results of that calc by 5, it'll give 41 tons for Air Force 20% Flick. Probably invalid though since we don't scale OFA linearly (and it'll make Gentle 8-B).
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It wouldn't make sense for the shockwave to be faster than the flick itself. Most shockwaves are slower than the object that creates them.
 
Earthyboy said:
It wouldn't make sense for the shockwave to be faster than the flick itself. Most shockwaves are slower than the object that creates them.
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So the logic would supposedly be that the 100% increases the speed of the finger's flick? I suppose that's fine, and what's been happening all along.

Just occurred to me that the way impartial use of OFA works doesn't make sense IRL physiology lol. The recoil of his finger flicks and one-armed smashed should've injured Deku's hands and body respectively yet it's contained within the limb using OFA.
 
has got pretty much sadder backstory than most MHA characters. Even guys like Shigaraki and Dabi at least had their moms who didn't abuse him while Hawks was abused, used and abandoned by both parents.

It also seems even as a kid he's got some kinda spider tingle (danger sense). He feels a tingling in his wings and went to the city but when he arrived it stopped. I'd it's really true, then although Nighteye is no longer around, Deku might learn from him.

+ it seems Ujiko isn't the only smart doctor in MHA world since others can partially copy the Nomu-fication process. I guess a genuine reason they haven't made Nomus themselves is ethics.
 
@Insert_creative_name_here_12 @Jackof_noTrades068 @Gitagon @Crimson_Shadow101 @Metalballrun I recently went digging for guides and material about MHA and came across this. Deku's Analysis Notes. (WSJ) As you can tell from the title, they're from the Weekly Shounen Jump magazines, which is where the manga of MHA runs. This alone makes it very likely that this is credible, but there are more important factors here to look at.

Looking at the English translation of Midoriya's profile here, it says that his Delaware Smash Air Force releases a shockwave, this is at 20% of his power.

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But I question whether or not the English translation is legit. In other words, whether or not the Japanese version actually mentions the Kanji. Recently, I have been learning to read hiragana and kanji and while I haven't mastered either yet, I can recognize a few symbols when I see them. Looking at the Japanese version of the scan, specifically the same part which mentioned the shockwave bit, we can see this kanji.

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This specific piece of kanji translates to shockwave. Proving the English translation correct in its translation. Obviously, this would indicate he flicked his finger at supersonic speeds, even at 20%, proving that 20% being supersonic isn't even out of its payload.

Scaling wise though, we can see Gentle reacting to his air bullets numerous times and from there Midoriya is shown to fight on par with him numerous times at 8% Full Cowl.

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If there weren't any legitimate arguments for 5-8% or 20% of OFA being supersonic, even in reaction time, there are now.
 
I'll also try to calculate how fast the air blast traveled, since it's obviously far faster than its shockwave I believe.
 
5% is already supersonic just scaling off Iida's Recipro Extend in Stain fight considering Iida even started moving before Deku yet they reached Stain at the same time.
 
Gitagon said:
5% is already supersonic just scaling off Iida's Recipro Extend in Stain fight considering Iida even started moving before Deku yet they reached Stain at the same time.
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Not to mention Deku appeared to be jumping at an angle while Iida went straight up
Although Deku started jumping on slightly higher ground since he jumped off Todoroki’s ice
 
Gitagon said:
5% is already supersonic just scaling off Iida's Recipro Extend in Stain fight considering Iida even started moving before Deku yet they reached Stain at the same time.
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I know he has the calcs but there’s a certain satisfaction in proving Deku (the guy people love to call car level or something) is supersonic without calcs or movies
 
Just yesterday I saw someone on r/www argue vehemently that All Might is only subsonic.

It seems in MHA, people's arguments only take into account the lowest feats. If a character isn't going top speed, top strength 24/7, the low ends are taken as the standard.
 
Gitagon said:
Just yesterday I saw someone on r/www argue vehemently that All Might is only subsonic.

It seems in MHA, people's arguments only take into account the lowest feats. If a character isn't going top speed, top strength 24/7, the low ends are taken as the standard.
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That’s the standard for literally anytime someone isn’t arguing for comics of Tier 6+ verses pretty much

A building level character being faster than sound is an outrageous outlier and they have to be subsonic albeit this is partially because of bias
And at this point I’m also starting to think it’s because MHA is much less in your face about feats when you think about it.Other series taking OPM for example will have people snail speeding each other consistently blitzing each other, beams being shot across the earth before anyone can react and explosions the sizes of towns going off every arc or so.

Compare this to MHA In which a 8-C or above feat is more so a once in a while thing despite it being consistent for any mid upper tiers
In terms of its speed, consistent but kinda subtle because the speed range isn’t great enough to snail speed falling rocks or something and look flashy at most they’ll create sonic booms and blitz people’s reactions from a hundred meters away.
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
That’s the standard for literally anytime someone isn’t arguing for comics of Tier 6+ verses pretty much

A building level character being faster than sound is an outrageous outlier and they have to be subsonic albeit this is partially because of bias
And at this point I’m also starting to think it’s because MHA is much less in your face about feats when you think about it.Other series taking OPM for example will have people snail speeding each other consistently blitzing each other, beams being shot across the earth before anyone can react and explosions the sizes of towns going off every arc or so.

Compare this to MHA In which a 8-C or above feat is more so a once in a while thing despite it being consistent for any mid upper tiers
In terms of its speed, consistent but kinda subtle because the speed range isn’t great enough to snail speed falling rocks or something and look flashy at most they’ll create sonic booms and blitz people’s reactions from a hundred meters away.
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Yh you're right. This same thing happens with Demon Slayer, Spiderman, HxH to an extent etc. If characters aren't walking nukes they're peak humans and if they aren't lightning timers they're car level.
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
Yh you're right. This same thing happens with Demon Slayer, Spiderman, HxH to an extent etc. If characters aren't walking nukes they're peak humans and if they aren't lightning timers they're car level.
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Yeah people don’t really have in betweens

On occasions the more flashy feats will look more powerful as well even if they arent

Example:Genos’ Spiral Incineration Canon calc,the explosion looks absolutely massive being much bigger than the kilometers long elder centipede and completely dwarfed a large section of a city
Then it was only High 7-C+ and 100% Bakugo’s calc of only melting a hole through a small mountain is well over 5x the former feats result

Yet if I was a casual reader and watcher of both series I’d think bakugo’s Mountain melt was a wet fart in comparison to Genos’ attack due to sheer size.Its why when I showed the mountain melt feat to someone on reddit they claimed it as just city block level.And I’d probably think the samea at first glance.
 
These are the same people that think DBZ characters aren’t all planet level because their explosions don’t blow up the planet all the time. They’re the same people that think Digimon can be defeated by destroying a computer. They’re the ones that will claim Saint Seiya has the strongest characters in all of fiction, but don’t even know what Warhammer 40k is.

Ignore them, it’s not worth it. You’ll just hurt your own sanity.
 
I'd say MHA is more limited by it's more realistic setting. Even stuff like mountain busting will be hard to see considering in a modern world there aren't just mountains sitting around uninhabited or empty waiting to be busted while in stories set in completely fictional worlds like One Piece or even HxH, there's endless free natural landscapes waiting for our MCs and villains to bust. No one will come to ask them why they destroyed their countries highest mountain just to flex their power levels.

Like with OPM for example, Psyko-Orochi's beam cut a huge part of the planet but it was only the oceans but if their planet was Earth, some islands and even continenents would have been caught up in that & millions would die.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
These are the same people that think DBZ characters aren’t all planet level because their explosions don’t blow up the planet all the time. They’re the same people that think Digimon can be defeated by destroying a computer. They’re the ones that will claim Saint Seiya has the strongest characters in all of fiction, but don’t even know what Warhammer 40k is.

Ignore them, it’s not worth it. You’ll just hurt your own sanity.
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They’re also the same people who think Sao characters can be beaten by throwing a cup of water on the VR headset or think Naruto peaked at Mountain level since fodder bijuu(That god tiers are laughably above)vaporize mountains so they have to cap at mountain level.
It’s dumb
 
"They’re also the same people who think Sao characters can be beaten by throwing a cup of water on the VR headset"

To be fair, you can waterboard someone if they are in VR and not in control of their body
 
Lol, now that's an argument I hadn't heard before. Most VR Game anime MCs are OP as hell. Like with Overlord, I remember season 1 showed his body hooked up to a futuristic VR machine in real life but I don't know how he kept his human body alive. I didn't really keep up with the LN.
 
Earthyboy said:
This would definitely mean 100% Izuku and Weakened All Might are at least High Hypersonic if Izuku can reach Hypersonic+ speeds with the tip of his finger.
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Yeah, I'd say OFA speed is pretty easy and straightforward to calc because the speed comes straight from power. So one can directly convert OFA's power into force & look at what speeds a particular force can launch things at.

Like a nuke could launch a cap at 60,000 meters/second so replacing that with a human would reduce it by a fraction + getting the exact kilotons or megatons or whatever other units of weight/force, it's pretty straightforward to calc the speeds at which Deku & All Might can move especially with Air Force or All Might's pseudo-flight.

Heck, in terms of calculatung speed, I feel the same logic can be applied to Bakugo's explosions or Iida's engine thrust if we had exact numbers for his outputs.
 
Why does Jeanist's car look like the batmobile?

Jokes aside, it looks like hero society truly is completely broken. All the police across Japan seem to be occupied while dealing with AFO's jailbreak speedrun and local heros have all quit due to ire from the public. When Jeanist stopped that small gang, a few people in the crowd were pleased but the rest of the crowd seemed completely unamused.
 
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Has anyone calced how fast Endeavor's Hells' Spider is when he cut the building against Hood, to calc how fast Shigaraki was for dodging it at close range?
 
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