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So, as many are aware, the multiplier for All Might’s feat against the USJ Nomu has been accepted. This thread will be for discussing the scaling and all other things pertaining to the multiplier.
First up is the two heroes graph.
This I feel is pretty simple. Some claim that the graph is an accurate representation of All Might’s power, and as such a 5x multiplier can be reasoned out by following the numbers, but I disagree. The numbers and terms used to quantify him are largely unknown, and we don’t know the exact correlation of them to his attack potency or durability. The best we can determine is that the graph is judging him based on his “overall performance” or “Quirk numbers,” which in itself doesn’t lend itself to being a linear multiplier.
From the Multipliers page: “Multipliers come from direct statements instead of being reasoned from something else. That means, for example, that if a verse has powerlevels or statistics, the doubling of a statistic or power level should not be concluded to correspond to the power of the character doubling, unless it is clearly specified to work that way.”
In the same vein of “power levels” not being direct measurements of “x is y times stronger than z,” this graph really shouldn’t be considered for our purposes of scaling, at least in my opinion.
Second up and the most obvious: who scales to the new multiplier.
Naturally, Prime All Might will be at this level. His weakened self is the one who noted and quantifies the strength gap between them, and so it’s quite clear cut and dry. Weakened AM can take hits from Masked AFO which can hurt Endeavor, yadda yadda, he’s High 6-C (139.35 Gigatons) and so his Prime key will be 6-B (8.361 Teratons).
Next up is then Completed Post-Surgery Shigaraki and Final War Arc Deku. Shigaraki’s body is Prime AM level as stated numerous times and Deku can hold off, grapple and fight him without any additives such as Gearshift (and with Gearshift he completely thrashed Shigaraki’s evolved state). Deku will also get a higher rating for his Fa Jin/Overdrive (41.8 Teratons) due to stacking the energy of his punches.
Next is a funky one as I believe that while Prime All For One obviously scales to Prime All Might, I think it’s not as clear cut as that. He was terrified of All Might’s strength, making plans for what he believed to be his inevitable death, and the battle as far as we know ended with AM getting one good hit in and crushing his skull with it. It’s likely he defended himself with Quirks rather than straight up tanked hits with his body, especially since AM seemingly was running through his attacks as a strategy and it worked. So I’d advocate for a “likely 6-B” rating.
There are other options tho, which obviously leads to the next person on the list: Final War Arc - Full Dark Tokoyami who was able to make Rewind All For One terrified of him to the point of noting he needed to dodge him at all costs. Despite being in his prime state physically, he was overpowered and slammed by Tokoyami, which creates three options for how we see Tokoyami and AFO.
1) Rewind Prime AFO (before he gets younger) isn’t crazy durable without his Prime Quirks, so he just scales to High 6-C along with Tokoyami, no 6-B.
2) Rewind AFO keeps his Prime durability, which we assume can survive All Might’s hits, so we rate Tokoyami as “likely 6-B” with Rewind AFO’s strongest Quirks at that level as well for managing to force him back.
3) His Prime self is High 6-C, 6-B with Quirks, leaving Rewind AFO as just High 6-C, higher with Quirks and no one scales to likely 6-B at all.
I’ll leave that up to the thread to decide which to go with.
And lastly, USJ Nomu gets “up to Country level with Shock Absorption” because he can take a total of 5 hits from Prime AM.
That’s about it. Bakugo will not be discussed here because his Second Awakening needs more feats before it can even be it’s own key let alone have a rating.
So, as many are aware, the multiplier for All Might’s feat against the USJ Nomu has been accepted. This thread will be for discussing the scaling and all other things pertaining to the multiplier.
First up is the two heroes graph.
This I feel is pretty simple. Some claim that the graph is an accurate representation of All Might’s power, and as such a 5x multiplier can be reasoned out by following the numbers, but I disagree. The numbers and terms used to quantify him are largely unknown, and we don’t know the exact correlation of them to his attack potency or durability. The best we can determine is that the graph is judging him based on his “overall performance” or “Quirk numbers,” which in itself doesn’t lend itself to being a linear multiplier.
From the Multipliers page: “Multipliers come from direct statements instead of being reasoned from something else. That means, for example, that if a verse has powerlevels or statistics, the doubling of a statistic or power level should not be concluded to correspond to the power of the character doubling, unless it is clearly specified to work that way.”
In the same vein of “power levels” not being direct measurements of “x is y times stronger than z,” this graph really shouldn’t be considered for our purposes of scaling, at least in my opinion.
Second up and the most obvious: who scales to the new multiplier.
Naturally, Prime All Might will be at this level. His weakened self is the one who noted and quantifies the strength gap between them, and so it’s quite clear cut and dry. Weakened AM can take hits from Masked AFO which can hurt Endeavor, yadda yadda, he’s High 6-C (139.35 Gigatons) and so his Prime key will be 6-B (8.361 Teratons).
Next up is then Completed Post-Surgery Shigaraki and Final War Arc Deku. Shigaraki’s body is Prime AM level as stated numerous times and Deku can hold off, grapple and fight him without any additives such as Gearshift (and with Gearshift he completely thrashed Shigaraki’s evolved state). Deku will also get a higher rating for his Fa Jin/Overdrive (41.8 Teratons) due to stacking the energy of his punches.
Next is a funky one as I believe that while Prime All For One obviously scales to Prime All Might, I think it’s not as clear cut as that. He was terrified of All Might’s strength, making plans for what he believed to be his inevitable death, and the battle as far as we know ended with AM getting one good hit in and crushing his skull with it. It’s likely he defended himself with Quirks rather than straight up tanked hits with his body, especially since AM seemingly was running through his attacks as a strategy and it worked. So I’d advocate for a “likely 6-B” rating.
There are other options tho, which obviously leads to the next person on the list: Final War Arc - Full Dark Tokoyami who was able to make Rewind All For One terrified of him to the point of noting he needed to dodge him at all costs. Despite being in his prime state physically, he was overpowered and slammed by Tokoyami, which creates three options for how we see Tokoyami and AFO.
1) Rewind Prime AFO (before he gets younger) isn’t crazy durable without his Prime Quirks, so he just scales to High 6-C along with Tokoyami, no 6-B.
2) Rewind AFO keeps his Prime durability, which we assume can survive All Might’s hits, so we rate Tokoyami as “likely 6-B” with Rewind AFO’s strongest Quirks at that level as well for managing to force him back.
3) His Prime self is High 6-C, 6-B with Quirks, leaving Rewind AFO as just High 6-C, higher with Quirks and no one scales to likely 6-B at all.
I’ll leave that up to the thread to decide which to go with.
And lastly, USJ Nomu gets “up to Country level with Shock Absorption” because he can take a total of 5 hits from Prime AM.
That’s about it. Bakugo will not be discussed here because his Second Awakening needs more feats before it can even be it’s own key let alone have a rating.
