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anskheram magic may be so but death manipulation does not have a sphere of influence of kilometers, at least that's what it looks like on stage.
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Zeref dragneel against Son goku
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bro what
his death manip is based on Ankhseram Black Magic which is hundreds of kilometers of range
please check the profile again
, Death Manipulation (Via Ankhseram Black Magic. This Magic is potent enough[1] to kill Mavis[1] despite her having the same immortality and regeneration as Zeref),
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Dude, I didn't watch the anime, I just commented on the scene I saw.bro what
his death manip is based on Ankhseram Black Magic which is hundreds of kilometers of range
please check the profile again
, Death Manipulation (Via Ankhseram Black Magic. This Magic is potent enough[1] to kill Mavis[1] despite her having the same immortality and regeneration as Zeref),
I watched this scene and commented accordingly
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Zeref's death manipulation is not mentioned in his profile as being passive, it is said to have a range of 100 kilometers, but its propagation speed is very low, even characters with lower than ftl speed in the fairy tail universe can escape this spell.
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then Goku will win because he'll act much earlier.
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this was literally debunked by cloverdragon in page 2 and 3
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If the death manipulation is not working passively, what can zeref do because goku will react and attack much earlier than zeref?
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it doesn't even need to be passive if its a starting move
goku is NOT surviving an AOE death hax that is hundreds of kilometers
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bro that was answered 3 times already
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so does he automatically use this ability at the beginning of the fight? If it needs time to activate, Goku will win again because he will act much earlier.
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if zeref needs to think to use death manipulation then goku can win this fight as he will act before he thinks.
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show me goku acting to death hax that covers 100km range and is a starting move 4km away
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at the moment you are acting like goku's anal prediction is so good that he has enough time to prepare for death hax that covers 100km range and is a starting move
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What does that have to do with what I said? I'm not sure you understand me.
I didn't see anything in his profile about this hax being active all the time, so he would need thinking or emotions to use this hax, but goku can act long before emotions and thoughts because he doesn't need to think.
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I think you're underestimating anksheram a little
Anksheram is a manipulation of absolute death. It is something given by the god of life and death in the fairy tail verse.
You think that anksheram is only death predation, but this is a very wrong point of view, Zeref can use and manage his anksheram as he wishes.
First of all, like on the site, the Mavis character already has resistance to death manipulation. zeref can control death manipulation thanks to anksheram. there is already layered death manipulation on the site, fraudku cannot resist it. but it is also a curse. and it works automatically (according to the site) but the thing here is that the anksheram spell gets stronger according to the emotion zeref feels. for example in the scene where the dogs attack zeref, the anksheram is just death aura, while when he fights natsu it was a very intense black/purple color. and Mavis is not affected because he has resistance there.
I can also prove that Anksheram's range is 100 kilometers.
https://roleplayingblog414201607.wordpress.com/2020/04/05/the-size-of-aldoronfairy-tail/
Zeref kills Aldoron with the Anskream curse and the anksheram range spreads to him. And this should give Zeref a range of at least 100 kilometers.
Which I am now raising it even higher, adding an additional passive wincon (if goku fans wank us, why shouldn't I wank us).
Etherano is a natural energy source in the Fairy Tail universe. Etherano is an energy found in the earth's atmosphere and is carried by all living things. Etherano is necessary for the survival of every living thing and is a basic requirement for the performance of various spells. Fairy Tail members cast spells using etherano energy and fight their enemies with this power. Etherano is linked to the mana within humans and is stored in the body. Each person has their own level of etherano, which determines the strength of their magical abilities.The use of etherano requires great mastery by mages. By gathering and using etherano energy, mages can perform various attacks, provide defence, or cast healing spells. Spells are cast using etherano energy, and their power depends on the amount of etherano used. The amount of etherano is of great importance in the world of Fairy Tail. It is important to have enough etherano to cast large-scale spells or to maintain stamina in prolonged fights.
https://fairytail.fandom.com/wiki/Ethernano
Wizards should use etherano energy carefully during battle and conserve it so that it is not depleted. etherano is also Atoms, which, as vsb acknowledges, can already passively absorb zeref etherano.
(https://imgur.com/gallery/olQvNO2)
So he can passively absorb all of Goku's atoms.
Goku is a victim of Zeref.
Proof of passivity in the Vsb
Anksheram is a manipulation of absolute death. It is something given by the god of life and death in the fairy tail verse.
You think that anksheram is only death predation, but this is a very wrong point of view, Zeref can use and manage his anksheram as he wishes.
First of all, like on the site, the Mavis character already has resistance to death manipulation. zeref can control death manipulation thanks to anksheram. there is already layered death manipulation on the site, fraudku cannot resist it. but it is also a curse. and it works automatically (according to the site) but the thing here is that the anksheram spell gets stronger according to the emotion zeref feels. for example in the scene where the dogs attack zeref, the anksheram is just death aura, while when he fights natsu it was a very intense black/purple color. and Mavis is not affected because he has resistance there.
I can also prove that Anksheram's range is 100 kilometers.
https://roleplayingblog414201607.wordpress.com/2020/04/05/the-size-of-aldoronfairy-tail/
Zeref kills Aldoron with the Anskream curse and the anksheram range spreads to him. And this should give Zeref a range of at least 100 kilometers.
Which I am now raising it even higher, adding an additional passive wincon (if goku fans wank us, why shouldn't I wank us).
Etherano is a natural energy source in the Fairy Tail universe. Etherano is an energy found in the earth's atmosphere and is carried by all living things. Etherano is necessary for the survival of every living thing and is a basic requirement for the performance of various spells. Fairy Tail members cast spells using etherano energy and fight their enemies with this power. Etherano is linked to the mana within humans and is stored in the body. Each person has their own level of etherano, which determines the strength of their magical abilities.The use of etherano requires great mastery by mages. By gathering and using etherano energy, mages can perform various attacks, provide defence, or cast healing spells. Spells are cast using etherano energy, and their power depends on the amount of etherano used. The amount of etherano is of great importance in the world of Fairy Tail. It is important to have enough etherano to cast large-scale spells or to maintain stamina in prolonged fights.
https://fairytail.fandom.com/wiki/Ethernano
Wizards should use etherano energy carefully during battle and conserve it so that it is not depleted. etherano is also Atoms, which, as vsb acknowledges, can already passively absorb zeref etherano.
(https://imgur.com/gallery/olQvNO2)
So he can passively absorb all of Goku's atoms.
Goku is a victim of Zeref.
Proof of passivity in the Vsb
Absorption (Can absorb magic power from others. All Mages passively absorb Ethernano
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i agree
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this is the goku coping mechanism ig
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zeref win
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yea hahaha
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I still think goku is going to win because I didn't get a response to that, so I'm going to vote for goku.
but from what I've seen most people just write zeref win or goku win instead of giving a reason unlike me which is pretty ridiculous. i would like to add again that goku is obviously very limited in this fight but he still doesn't seem to be losing.
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no i like goku more than zeref
but when people are saying stuff like "GOKU IS GOING TO BUST THE UNIVERSE AND WIN" then they obviously they havent watched a single episode of DB
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First of all, in general, in this discussion, the only one who defends goku properly is user Quintessence_PE, so I will debunk what he defends (wincon debunk)
if you haven't seen the anime, I'll explain it a bit better. First of all, according to the standard rules of war, there is no start time. Preparation time: None. That means there is no time between the character knowing there is going to be some battle and the point they may start killing each other. anskheram magic works at all times (with one exception) according to the attacks and techniques section on the site. However, when Zeref forgets the value of and no longer cares about human life, he can fully control this Magic, and become the ruthless, cold-hearted Zeref spoken of in legend. Certain Magic Items can protect people from Ankhseram Black Magic, such as Natsu Dragneel's scarf. here, when he cares about human life, it is always on. and this is normal since it is a curse. now zeref can control it when he doesn't care about human life and doesn't care who dies anymore, but he can't when he cares and wants no one to die, which is the purpose of the curse. now i'll tell you why i'm explaining this and why there is no start time. even if goku moves before zeref he will die before he can attack him. because zeref's death manipulation will be in a way that he cares about human life in case he fights. (fairy heart zeref) and as soon as the battle starts directly goku will already be subjected to death. no. zeref doesn't have emotions to use this hax. i proved that.
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No need to say more buddy, I agree
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zeref also has a 4d ap and goku is affected by zeref's hax because he's a 3d existential character.through mid-godly regeneration and passive time rewinding, zeref will return and zeref's stamina is infinite
has a range of hundreds of kilometers death manipulation slows down in speed when it values life, for example when it kills mavis and wolves
i don't think you understand the series correctly anksheram is a curse that zeref can use at any time. it's not activated when he has an emotional outburst, it just gets out of control and starts working against zeref's will
only if zeref forgets the value of life can he control magic completely
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zeref can control magic completely if he forgets the value of life. only if he experiences an outburst of emotion, this spell gets out of control
I threw scans in my previous answer
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