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I voted too so Asta: 4
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White Haired Natsu vs. Pink Haired Asta (10-10-1)
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If it didn't count then Asta for my reasons and FRA
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Ok, then.
Natsu: 2
Asta: 4
Natsu: 2
Asta: 4
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The AP feat on Asta profile is about him countering a 1.5 megaton attack with the help of his friend. Does that mean he scales to 0.8 megaton since he needed his friend?
If so, that's a 6x AP differential. Even if we assume he can't use the elbow fire stuff, he should still retain the advantage in AP. After all, Natsu's punches are often portrayed to still be very powerful even when he doesn't use fire.
Also Natsu durability doesn't use magic, so unless Asta can negate durability, how does he overcome a 6x durability difference?
If so, that's a 6x AP differential. Even if we assume he can't use the elbow fire stuff, he should still retain the advantage in AP. After all, Natsu's punches are often portrayed to still be very powerful even when he doesn't use fire.
Also Natsu durability doesn't use magic, so unless Asta can negate durability, how does he overcome a 6x durability difference?
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Can't he still drain Natsu mana to make him weaker? If Natsu even comes close Asta will start to drain it
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You know Natsu is physically strong too right? It isn't like Natsu's fire is six times Asta's AP, but Natsu's body is several times lower. Natsu oneshots even if Asta nulls his magic.
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For the people that keep talking about Precog helping Asta dodge all of Natsu's attacks, that's not happening when Asta couldn't do it in canon against Vetto and it was acknowledged that Asta is weak against people that are physically much stronger than him.
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This is a lot earlier in the series where Asta lacks his anti-magic field which means that he couldn't negate the amping magic that Vetto was using. Since he has that field now, Natsu is losing any form of amps that enter Asta's range leaving him at his normal speed and strength which once again puts him at the disadvantage in close combat.
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To be a bit fair, Yami was able to deflect several different beams of light pretty easily using precog
Though that's Yami and Asta hasn't really shown much ability in doing the same sort of stuff
Also, as brought up earlier on the thread, Natsu's flames aren't all that small, and Asta can't cut through everything that comes his way
Though that's Yami and Asta hasn't really shown much ability in doing the same sort of stuff
Also, as brought up earlier on the thread, Natsu's flames aren't all that small, and Asta can't cut through everything that comes his way
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I feel like you guys missed the point. Natsu without magic is still far stronger than Asta is. Just because therer is a bigger gap between a child and Mike Tyson vs a child and your average adult doesn't mean the adult isn't still stomping the child into the dirt no diff.
Edit: Also if a weaker Asta is taking hits from a 7-B, why is he not 7-B dura?
Edit: Also if a weaker Asta is taking hits from a 7-B, why is he not 7-B dura?
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@Epilson
Does Black Asta have better precog? I don't remember that being a thing.
@Duedate
The point was that Asta can't null the fact that Natsu is six times stronger than him.
Does Black Asta have better precog? I don't remember that being a thing.
@Duedate
The point was that Asta can't null the fact that Natsu is six times stronger than him.
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Just gonna point out, if Natsu can't use magic, he has no issue just punching people or dropping a giant af rock on them.
Edit: How large is this anti magic field?
Edit: How large is this anti magic field?
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I geniuenelu want to know whether Natsu scales hugely above it or not, and I need some evidence as well.DemonGodMitchAubin said:
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Like Asta is going to die from that. He has incredible physical prowess too. Asta even without his sword has vastly superhuman strength and reactions.AnonymousBlank said:
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The issue with Natus going physical is the fact that in an exchange of blows he is far more likely to get hit and take far more blows than asta would. The combination of having his magic drained and blocked by Asta's attacks would be far too great for him to take a win from such an event.
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Except with the AP differences, Natsu can shrug off most of Asta's attacks with little damage and any hits from Natsu will seriously hurt Asta.Duedate8898 said:
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@Spooky
You say that but Natsu just clapped a 7-B into the ground by doing just that.
@Duedate
How so? He has gone cqc with swordsmen like Totomaru (without his magic) and Erza where he didn't use any range at all, and Gajeel when he was out of magic and was still able to fight Gajeel with his Iron Dragon's Sword.
Natsu has also shown to just shrug off hits from himself comically and can take dozens from people physically comparable. Getting drained of magic also doesn't matter when it won't affect his physicals at all.
You say that but Natsu just clapped a 7-B into the ground by doing just that.
@Duedate
How so? He has gone cqc with swordsmen like Totomaru (without his magic) and Erza where he didn't use any range at all, and Gajeel when he was out of magic and was still able to fight Gajeel with his Iron Dragon's Sword.
Natsu has also shown to just shrug off hits from himself comically and can take dozens from people physically comparable. Getting drained of magic also doesn't matter when it won't affect his physicals at all.
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I have limited knowledge on both charachters, can i have a link to the Erza Vs Natsu fight.
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Totomaru, Erza, and Gajeel lacks Asta's anti magic field, which works as a drain on Natsu even when he's not using magic and all three wield different types of blade in comparison to Asta as well.
Even is going just purely physical, the drain of his magic will still negatively impact and slow Natsu, making him go slower and be more suceptable to direct attacks from Asta.
Even is going just purely physical, the drain of his magic will still negatively impact and slow Natsu, making him go slower and be more suceptable to direct attacks from Asta.
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Chapter 22 of Fairy Tail for Erza vs Natsu, the fight is short since it got interrupted though you could try looking at Natsu vs Totomaru (ch 51-54) and Natsu vs Gajeel (ch 59-64) for Natsu's skill against sword wielders and Erza vs Ikaruga (90-92) or Erza vs Evergreen (ch 111-113) for her skill with a sword.
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It's anti magic, not anti body. It's not going to make his body weaker or slower.Duedate8898 said:
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@Duedate
You are gonna need to prove that the anti magic field will do that to Natsu when he has been low or empty on magic before and kept going just fine. He was able to fight just fine in Yuuka's Wave which nulls magic and does passive damage to whatever is inside it, he was empty against Gajeel and just kept fighting anyway without slowing until the end, he couldn't use magic against Totomaru since Toto just controlled his flames and made him strike himself full force.
For different styles, Toto uses a katana, Gajeel uses it much like Asta and can still match Yowazu and Lily who have been training for years with that specific style, Erza is a master of everything from katanas, broadwords, claymores, greatswords, naginata, maces etc. and can wield said weapons with her feet with equal skill as her hands. Natsu's experience against weapon masters is definitely enough to deal with Asta.
You are gonna need to prove that the anti magic field will do that to Natsu when he has been low or empty on magic before and kept going just fine. He was able to fight just fine in Yuuka's Wave which nulls magic and does passive damage to whatever is inside it, he was empty against Gajeel and just kept fighting anyway without slowing until the end, he couldn't use magic against Totomaru since Toto just controlled his flames and made him strike himself full force.
For different styles, Toto uses a katana, Gajeel uses it much like Asta and can still match Yowazu and Lily who have been training for years with that specific style, Erza is a master of everything from katanas, broadwords, claymores, greatswords, naginata, maces etc. and can wield said weapons with her feet with equal skill as her hands. Natsu's experience against weapon masters is definitely enough to deal with Asta.
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in the fight with Gajeel he was drained of him magic and could hardly even move, let alone fight at a decent pace.
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And also agsint Yuuka, he wasn't suffering any form of magic exhaustion either. He just couldn't use magic in certain areas.
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That's because they beat each other up, Natsu was physically injured.StopTheSpread said:
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Siince Asta's form automatically targets strong magic, Asta does not have to consciously react to an attack,but he also has no control over what it targets and can be led away from his opponent.
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You ignore how Natsu won that fight as well. Because, he was unable to even move or struggle until he ate the fire. And the existence of the Magic Deficiency Disease, proves that ill effects occur when drained of your magic. I also have to bring up the fact that when Azuma took over the fairy tree, everyone lost their magic and fell over weak from magic depletion.DragonEmperor23 said:
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It'll just nullify Natsu's magic m
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Thats because eating their element replenishes magic and stamina.
MDD is the rapid loss of magic from the body with the few examples of it include Laxus eating shit tons of MBP which destroy magic, the Raijinshu being in ground zero of all of the MBP and Layla using her own lifeforce to brute force the Eclipse Gate open (only getting MDD due to her already sucky af health).
Said tree also grants an amp and crappy Type 8. Azuma gained control of all of their magic and took it away.
And I ask again, how large is the aoe for the magic null? And how fast is it? Because Asta isn't going to just sit in the air and wait for Natsu to lose all his magic. If he flies in to hit Natsu, he will just get beat into the dirt as even if he is more skilled in cqc (he isn't), Natsu can take dozens of hits from him and just needs to land 2 or 3. And why would anti magic lower his dura? Not having energy to punch someone at full force doesnt lower their dura.
MDD is the rapid loss of magic from the body with the few examples of it include Laxus eating shit tons of MBP which destroy magic, the Raijinshu being in ground zero of all of the MBP and Layla using her own lifeforce to brute force the Eclipse Gate open (only getting MDD due to her already sucky af health).
Said tree also grants an amp and crappy Type 8. Azuma gained control of all of their magic and took it away.
And I ask again, how large is the aoe for the magic null? And how fast is it? Because Asta isn't going to just sit in the air and wait for Natsu to lose all his magic. If he flies in to hit Natsu, he will just get beat into the dirt as even if he is more skilled in cqc (he isn't), Natsu can take dozens of hits from him and just needs to land 2 or 3. And why would anti magic lower his dura? Not having energy to punch someone at full force doesnt lower their dura.
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It doesn't weaken him.Epsilon R said:
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Once Asta hits you, He'll erase all of your magic in one hit and you'll be unable to use your magic for a while.
