Omniversal Fairy | Ben 10 vs Erza Scarlet

[Lort15]

Why? Ben have others Aliens that can deal with Erza why specifically Clockwork?

Which ones honestly?

And like, Erza can easily defeat Clockwork before he hax her due to already resisting time Manipulation + her own combat skills would overwhelm Clockwork due to his bad mobility, I really doubt is the best option.

Resisting timestop and time manipulation are kind of different things does she resisted timestop before? Because TS is a sub ability for time manip

 

[Lort15]

No, it isn't.
Big Chill is s wincon, even if her sword can counter AZ, her body doesn't, if Ben freezer from the insides, she wouldn't be sble to get free (something he does in character).
Goop is also a wincon, since she isn't resisting Acid Manip.
And of course, Ben's immense LS advantage.

I didn't check the all aliens ofc but she can melt the ice with her flame swords honestly don't know how would she do that after getting frozen

 

[GeneralSol16]

I didn't check the all aliens ofc but she can melt the ice with her flame swords honestly don't know how would she do that after getting frozen

She can't.
The sword can counter AZ, but realistically it wouldn't be posible for her to use it.

 

[Lort15]

She can't.
The sword can counter AZ, but realistically it wouldn't be posible for her to use it.

If swords are self-propelled, it could work

 

[GeneralSol16]

If swords are self-propelled, it could work

And is it like that?

 

[Lort15]

And is it like that?

Kinda i guess but am not sure if they work after she is getting frozen, supporters could answer that

 

[Lort15]

Anyways i feel like she doesn't resist BFR and timestop it's not on her profiles either, i vote Ben for my own reasons above for now, goodnight everyone i'm going to sleep.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Which ones honestly?

Ben have Tier High 5-A aliens, so It One-shots Erza.

Resisting timestop and time manipulation are kind of different things does she resisted timestop before? Because TS is a sub ability for time manip

Not really, but I said she resist TM because this kinda counters some of Clockwork abilities, so even If her don't resist TS, I don't think Clockwork is the best alien to deal with her.

And again, she gonna defeat Clockwork before he uses his hax.

I didn't check the all aliens ofc but she can melt the ice with her flame swords honestly don't know how would she do that after getting frozen

She can't.
The sword can counter AZ, but realistically it wouldn't be posible for her to use it.

Well, If she sees Big chill can freeze things, she already gonna be using her flame armor to counter the Ice, so she would not get caught by him.

If she don't know, Ben would need to caught her off guard to freeze her.
In the scenario that he indeed freezer her, she loses. But I extremely doubt that he can due to extreme skill disvantange between the two, I don't think she ever gonna be hit.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Ben have Tier High 5-A aliens, so It One-shots Erza

Ehm, which ones? Way Big got downgraded to 5-A (for now)

Not really, but I said she resist TM because this kinda counters some of Clockwork abilities, so even If her don't resist TS, I don't think Clockwork is the best alien to deal with her.

She doesn't resist dimensional or temporal BFR.

And again, she gonna defeat Clockwork before he uses his hax.

Why would she? Speed is equalized, Ben can hax her.

Well, If she sees Big chill can freeze things, she already gonna be using her flame armor to counter the Ice, so she would not get caught by him.

Why would she know? Ben ha started via Intangibility + internal freezing before, being one of his main moves.

If she don't know, Ben would need to caught her off guard to freeze her.
In the scenario that he indeed freezer her, she loses. But I extremely doubt that he can due to extreme skill disvantange between the two, I don't think she ever gonna be hit.

Ben has fought equally skilled character and get on top thanks to versatility and quick thinking, and even then, she can't dodge Big Chill Intangibility, since she needs to go hand to hand, and in that moment she'd get freeze.

She wouldn't start as the armor that counters Big Chill, but Ben would be able to start as him thanks to the Omnitrix.

 

[GeneralSol16]

First of all, holy shit with Fairy Tail's scaling chain.

But from what I found, Tennyson's and Erza's AP are like this:

• Ben's average aliens: 3.18 Yottatons.
• Erza's average armors: 1.98 Yottatons.

• Ben's strongest Tier 5 alien: 89.12 Yottatons.
• Erza strongest Tier 5 armor: 7.72 Yottatons.

Let me know if this is correct, because it's difficult to know with that scaling chain.
In case it is, they're practically as strong as each other in their 5-B+ key, but Ben definitely stronger in they go at their fullest.

 

[DemonicDude]

I'll just wait for @Zackra1799 and @DemonGodMitchAubin

 

[Lort15]

Ben have Tier High 5-A aliens, so It One-shots Erza.

Ben only has his 5-B aliens in this match

Not really, but I said she resist TM because this kinda counters some of Clockwork abilities, so even If her don't resist TS, I don't think Clockwork is the best alien to deal with her.

And again, she gonna defeat Clockwork before he uses his hax.

Man she is not resisting to BFR and TS and she can't defeat him before Clockwork uses his hax cuz his TS is thought based also speed is equalized

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ehm, which ones? Way Big got downgraded to 5-A (for now)

Wooooow, I din't even see lol

Why would she? Speed is equalized, Ben can hax her.

They start 10 meters for each other, so is more easy for Erza to close the distance and start pummeling Ben before he transform or after his transformation.

Like, Ben would go to choose a Alien to fight Erza, and Erza already gonna be on him, or he choose a Alien and It gives Clockwork (Trought I don't believe It would by the arguments you give to me) but she would be already giving a ass beat, and since Clockwork have a horrible stamina, he gonna be take out fast.

Why would she know? Ben ha started via Intangibility + internal freezing before, being one of his main moves.

Because Ben also started with Ice breath before, and If he does, Erza would know and would't let him get close to her, and she would attack form a distance.

Ben has fought equally skilled character

Not really, pretty sure Erza is more skilled in combat than most people Ben fought tbh.

she can't dodge Big Chill Intangibility, since she needs to go hand to hand, and in that moment she'd get freeze.

She don't actually, she have a lot of armor that can make her attack from a distance.

Ben only has his 5-B aliens in this match

No? The OP say he have all Tier 5 aliens.

 

[Lort15]

No? The OP say he have all Tier 5 aliens.

I mean there is no more high 5-A aliens for Ben since the verse got a little nerf

 

[GeneralSol16]

They start 10 meters for each other, so is more easy for Erza to close the distance and start pummeling Ben before he transform or after his transformation.

Not really.
Ben first move would be hitting the watch, turning him into something capable of winning (or at very least, have an advantage). Ben's AP is a little bit higher in their 5-B+ keys, and Way Big is significantly stronger from what I understood.

Like, Ben would go to choose a Alien to fight Erza, and Erza already gonna be on him, or he choose a Alien and It gives Clockwork (Trought I don't believe It would by the arguments you give to me) but she would be already giving a ass beat, and since Clockwork have a horrible stamina, he gonna be take out fast.

Clockwork and Base Ben can withstand Erza's attacks, they scale a little bit stronger than her. So, what's exactly your point?

Because Ben also started with Ice breath before, and If he does, Erza would know and would't let him get close to her, and she would attack form a distance.

If I'm not mlstsken, Big Chill has wider range than her, and again, Ben has more wibcons, and aliens that just overwhelm her physically or haxily

Not really, pretty sure Erza is more skilled in combat than most people Ben fought tbh.

Doubt it, Vilgax has feats equally as skill as her and Ben is his owner.

She don't actually, she have a lot of armor that can make her attack from a distance.

Sure but that's the main difference
Erza needs to think and see what is Ben doing, while Ben would just turn into the best options as first movements, having that advantage over her

 

[Fezzih_007]

Not really.

Urg.

Ben first move would be hitting the watch, turning him into something capable of winning (or at very least, have an advantage).

You said that already, don't need to repeat yourself.

Ben's AP is a little bit higher in their 5-B+ keys,
Clockwork and Base Ben can withstand Erza's attacks, they scale a little bit stronger than her. So, what's exactly your point?

and since Clockwork have a horrible stamina, he gonna be take out fast.

The AP advantage is already not that big, so her punches would still hurt Ben. But then you factor the fact he don't have that big stamina/endurance to whisthand a barrage of attacks for her, is pretty clear he really not gonna last that long.

Trought, that's It to say Clockwork is really not the best Alien to defeat Erza, Ben can pretty much use any other Alien and doethe Job better.

If I'm not mlstsken, Big Chill has wider range than her

He doesn't.

and again, Ben has more wibcons, and aliens that just overwhelm her physically or haxily

Ok, I talking about specifically How she counters Big Chill.
I already agreed he have other aliens.

Doubt it, Vilgax has feats equally as skill as her and Ben is his owner.

He doesn't. Just like, check her inteligence section, her combat prowess is way better than Vilga.

Erza needs to think and see what is Ben doing, while Ben would just turn into the best options as first movements, having that advantage over her

Huh?
My response is about you saying Erza would need to go hand to hand to fight big Chill, this argument don't correlate with that, since he already transformed into a Alien.
Wat

 

[GeneralSol16]

The AP advantage is already not that big, so her punches would still hurt Ben. But then you factor the fact he don't have that big stamina/endurance to whisthand a barrage of attacks for her, is pretty clear he really not gonna last that long.

Is not like Ben will be on the floor after a few punches. He has endure being reduced to a pile of crystal while being Diamondhead, or having the Omnitrix physically removed at the age of 10, which practically ripped his skin apart. Or attacks that affected his nervous system while on Alien form.

Trought, that's It to say Clockwork is really not the best Alien to defeat Erza, Ben can pretty much use any other Alien and doethe Job better.

Yeah, probably.
Swampfire would be a good choice too, he should scale to 5-A in his Blossomed form via being able to stop and harm Omniverse Kevin 11. And Erza can't harm him at all.

He doesn't.

Isn't BC range up yo kilometers? IDR.

Ok, I talking about specifically How she counters Big Chill.
I already agreed he have other aliens.

Which ones, in your opinion?

He doesn't. Just like, check her inteligence section, her combat prowess is way better than Vilgax.

I've read it, and I don't see that much skill superiority.
Especially since Ben has put skilled beings with genius to super genius level of intelligence, like Animo or Albedo.

Huh?
My response is about you saying Erza would need to go hand to hand to fight big Chill, this argument don't correlate with that, since he already transformed into a Alien.
Wat

That response goes for the combat as a whole, not your specific comment.