Omniversal Fairy | Ben 10 vs Erza Scarlet

[MrLuk2000]

Erza fights to knock out not to kill so Fail Safe is a non factor here unless Erza we have a situation where Erza attacks his human form or his far weaker aliens.

With no Master Control Ben is likely to turn human first which would leave Erza a huge opening to threaten Ben to surrender.

Erza has shown great feats of enduring pain and fighting for hours.

Gonna vote Erza for now.

 

[GeneralSol16]

With no Master Control Ben is likely to turn human first which would leave Erza a huge opening to threaten Ben to surrender.

OVTrix doesn't have a recharge time at all, if Ben Times Out he will just turn again at that moment, something he always does practically everytime throughout OV.

I wouldn't use that as a factor.

 

[MrLuk2000]

OVTrix doesn't have a recharge time at all, if Ben Times Out he will just turn again at that moment, something he always does practically everytime throughout OV.

I wouldn't use that as a factor.

Yes it does. There are several cases where Ben was transformed back into a human because the time limit ran out and he was forced to dodge his enemy attacks for a while before it charged again but tbf the recharge time can be instantaneous should his life be in danger.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Yes it does. There are several cases where Ben was transformed back into a human because the time limit ran out and he was forced to dodge his enemy attacks for a while before it charged again but tbf the recharge time can be instantaneous should his life be in danger.

That's just the OG / UAF.
You can see practically every episode that the moment he goes back to human, the watch recherches instantly, even without being in danger at all.

 

[MrLuk2000]

That's just the OG / UAF.
You can see practically every episode that the moment he goes back to human, the watch recherches instantly, even without being in danger at all.

Some may be recharged instantly but others he had to take cover or dodge and wait for the watch to recharge

 

[GeneralSol16]

Some may be recharged instantly but others he had to take cover or dodge and wait for the watch to recharge

That only happened 6 times in 80eps, so, it isn't the normal thing.

 

[Lort15]

Erza fights to knock out not to kill so Fail Safe is a non factor here unless Erza we have a situation where Erza attacks his human form or his far weaker aliens.

With no Master Control Ben is likely to turn human first which would leave Erza a huge opening to threaten Ben to surrender.

Erza has shown great feats of enduring pain and fighting for hours.

Gonna vote Erza for now.

Omnitrix gives the right alien for the fight omnitrix would go for Clockwork and he would be aware about Erza is from another universe because of temporal metaphysic sense and go for TS and BFR

 

[Lort15]

Honestly the fight wouldn't even last 10 mins why is the time limit a problem?

 

[MrLuk2000]

That only happened 6 times in 80eps, so, it isn't the normal thing.

Just because it isn't a normal thing doesn't mean it won't happen here.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Just because it isn't a normal thing doesn't mean it won't happen here.

It's called consistency, if isn't consistent and is just PIS, it wouldn't happen

 

[Lort15]

Some may be recharged instantly but others he had to take cover or dodge and wait for the watch to recharge

How would Erza know about omnitrix's time limit and it's abilities?

 

[MrLuk2000]

It's called consistency, if isn't consistent and is just PIS, it wouldn't happen

If it happened in the show then it would

 

[GeneralSol16]

If it happened in the show then it would

Dude, is a consistency thing.
It's just PIS, don't take it that far.

 

[MrLuk2000]

How would Erza know about omnitrix's time limit and it's abilities?

She wouldn't but she's a smart fighter. Every time she sees Ben using the watch to transform she would know of Ben's abilities after a short while and how he is able to transform and its limits

 

[MrLuk2000]

Dude, is a consistency thing.
It's just PIS, don't take it that far.

Doesn't change the fact that it can still happen here

 

[Lort15]

She wouldn't but she's a smart fighter. Every time she sees Ben using the watch to transform she would know of Ben's abilities after a short while and how he is able to transform and its limits

The fight wouldn't even be like that long as i said omnitrix gives the right alien for the fight, Ben admits omnitrix does that always

 

[GeneralSol16]

Doesn't change the fact that it can still happen here

That's exactly the opposite on how it works, lmao.

If something is PIS, it doesn't count on VS matches.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Yeah voting Ben FRA and FRB

 

[MrLuk2000]

The fight wouldn't even be like that long as i said omnitrix gives the right alien for the fight, Ben admits omnitrix does that always

Ben's go to is always smash first think later mentality. Why do you think in Omniverse in the first dozen episodes he always asks for Humongousaur but of course he got the wrong alien (Of course majority of the time its his fault because he didn't even choose Humungousaur). Sure over time he got past this mentality and would always think before going into a fight but the likely hood of him choosing Clockwork is slim

 

[MrLuk2000]

That's exactly the opposite on how it works, lmao.

If something is PIS, it doesn't count on VS matches.

Just because it only has happened a handful of times over the series doesn't make is PIS

 

[GeneralSol16]

The fight wouldn't even be like that long as i said omnitrix gives the right alien for the fight, Ben admits omnitrix does that always

Just because it only has happened a handful of times over the series doesn't make is PIS

When the watch haa a consistency of doing exactly the opposite, it is PIS.

If a character was able to fly in 70 episodes, but couldn't in 6, where would the consistency be?

 

[Lort15]

Ben's go to is always smash first think later mentality. Why do you think in Omniverse in the first dozen episodes he always asks for Humongousaur but of course he got the wrong alien (Of course majority of the time its his fault because he didn't even choose Humungousaur). Sure over time he got past this mentality and would always think before going into a fight but the likely hood of him choosing Clockwork is slim

You know that Nemetrix is malfunctioned the omnitrix right? Also humungausour isn't a perfect Alien for every standart pretty much one of the reason omnitrix didn't give him Humungausour against other villains then Zed, and of course there are some inconsistency in the show much like a P.I.S otherwise Ben wouldn't state than in the end of omniverse "it seems like it is giving the right alien every time" ı've literally shared the imgur 1 page ago if you want to check, anyways the matter is what Omnitrix's choice not Ben's

 

[GeneralSol16]

Ben's go to is always smash first think later mentality. Why do you think in Omniverse in the first dozen episodes he always asks for Humongousaur but of course he got the wrong alien (Of course majority of the time its his fault because he didn't even choose Humungousaur). Sure over time he got past this mentality and would always think before going into a fight but the likely hood of him choosing Clockwork is slim

Ben wouldn't choose him, the Omnitrix would.

That's the thing, EoS OV Ben wouldn't fight the Omnitrix's choice, unlike how he did troughout the series.

 

[MrLuk2000]

When the watch haa a consistency of doing exactly the opposite, it is PIS.

If a character was able to fly in 70 episodes, but couldn't in 6, where would the consistency be?

Its not a PIS. Its a feature that the watch has

 

[Lort15]

Also even what i say is wrong in your opinion, omnitrix doesn't give the right alien in your opinion that would cause incon at best because there is a still chance that omnitrix could transform Ben into Clockwork

 

[MrLuk2000]

You know that Nemetrix is malfunctioned the omnitrix right? Also humungausour isn't a perfect Alien for every standart pretty much one of the reason omnitrix didn't give him Humungausour against other villains then Zed, and of course there are some inconsistency in the show much like a P.I.S otherwise Ben wouldn't state than in the end of omniverse "it seems like it is giving the right alien every time" ı've literally shared the imgur 1 page ago if you want to check, anyways the matter is what Omnitrix's choice not Ben's

Thats not even the point of what I'm trying to say.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Its not a PIS. Its a feature that the watch has

Dude, you're just not reading at all.

 

[MrLuk2000]

Dude, you're just not reading at all.

Nah. You're just missing the point

 

[Lort15]

Thats not even the point of what I'm trying to say.

I didn't actually made a comment about what Ben would choose or not or his mentality, i was reffering to omnitrix, because omnitrix is selecting the alien for the fight not Ben himself

 

[GeneralSol16]

Nah. You're just missing the point

The Omnitrix from OV doesn't have a recharge time consistently, that's the point.

Ben won't need to wait to transform back into alien once he turns into human.

 

[MrLuk2000]

I didn't actually made a comment about what Ben would choose or not or his mentality, i was reffering to omnitrix, because omnitrix is selecting the alien for the fight not Ben himself

Once again...this wasn't the point I was saying

 

[GeneralSol16]

Once again...this wasn't the point I was saying

Then explain yourself.

 

[MrLuk2000]

The Omnitrix from OV doesn't have a recharge time consistently, that's the point.

Ben won't need to wait to transform back into alien once he turns into human.

Yes he will since this has happened several times throughout the show

 

[Lort15]

Once again...this wasn't the point I was saying

I'm sorry if i couldn't understand you correctly could you summarize your point then?

 

[GeneralSol16]

Yes he will since this has happened several times throughout the show

I won't answer this again.

Any wincons or strategies based on this wouldn't be counted since the use of PIS isn't allowed here.

 

[MrLuk2000]

I won't answer this again.

Any wincons or strategies based on this wouldn't be counted since the use of PIS isn't allowed here.

But it isn't PIS so I don't know why you would

 

[MrLuk2000]

I'm sorry if i couldn't understand you correctly could you summarize your point then?

Basically Ben goes for an alien that he wants but he gets a different alien because he unintentionally chose that alien. In the beginning Ben wanted Humungousaur but he chose Spider-Monkey and got Spider Monkey. In another episode he wanted XLR8 so he can save a girl from a burning house but he chose Rath and got Rath. Thats the point I'm making. Ben not getting the alien he wants because he intentionally or unintentionally chose a different alien. I'm not disagreeing on the whole "Omnitrix gives Ben the right alien based on the right situation" part.

 

[Lort15]

Basically Ben goes for an alien that he wants but he gets a different alien because he unintentionally chose that alien. In the beginning Ben wanted Humungousaur but he chose Spider-Monkey and got Spider Monkey. In another episode he wanted XLR8 so he can save a girl from a burning house but he chose Rath and got Rath. Thats the point I'm making. Ben not getting the alien he wants because he intentionally or unintentionally chose a different alien. I'm not disagreeing on the whole "Omnitrix gives Ben the right alien based on the right situation" part.

Oh i see your point and yeah you are right about he thinks he is getting wrong aliens but also sometimes omnitrix really doesn't give the Alien he wants even if he selects what he wants just adding this not disagreeing with you, then why are you believing omnitrix wouldn't give Clockwork for this situation because it seems like Clockwork is the only possible wincon for Ben

 

[Fezzih_007]

Omnitrix gives the right alien for the fight omnitrix would go for Clockwork

Why? Ben have others Aliens that can deal with Erza why specifically Clockwork?

And like, Erza can easily defeat Clockwork before he hax her due to already resisting time Manipulation + her own combat skills would overwhelm Clockwork due to his bad mobility, I really doubt is the best option.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Because it seems like Clockwork is the only wincon for Ben

No, it isn't.
Big Chill is s wincon, even if her sword can counter AZ, her body doesn't, if Ben freezer from the insides, she wouldn't be sble to get free (something he does in character).
Goop is also a wincon, since she isn't resisting Acid Manip.
And of course, Ben's immense LS advantage.