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He used the peak key at that time which is now 2-Ahe used the "2-B" peak, which still exists, so nothing in there changes really
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He used the peak key at that time which is now 2-Ahe used the "2-B" peak, which still exists, so nothing in there changes really
he specified 2-B in the op, 2-A is only a possible rating, if he specified 2-B in the thread, then nothing about it changesHe used the peak key at that time which is now 2-A
He specified "at peak". Which is 2-A nowhe specified 2-B in the op, 2-A is only a possible rating, if he specified 2-B in the thread, then nothing about it changes
It wouldn't change anythingAnd I will ask for Marth vs Zoro in the future because I saw something about passive fate manipulation for Fire Emblem, depending of that, I will return, for now leave it if you want Bambu
the "peak" is only "possibly 2-A" the basic rating is 2-B, which is what the op specified in that threadHe specified "at peak". Which is 2-A now
The Op specified Peak which is 2-A. They just took the highest peak Sonic had which is 2-A nowthe "peak" is only "possibly 2-A" the basic rating is 2-B, which is what the op specified in that thread
no, they didn't, they explicitly put "2-C, 2-B at peak" he is using tht "2-B" peak, not the 2-AThe Op specified Peak which is 2-A.
read the bolded "2-B" on thereThey just took the highest peak Sonic had which is 2-A now
2B Peak = 2-Ano, they didn't, they explicitly put "2-C, 2-B at peak" he is using tht "2-B" peak, not the 2-A
read the bolded "2-B" on there
no, 2-B peak = 2-B since sonic's peak is 2-B Posibly 2-A, aka if what is in the profile is 2-B, then he is using the 2-B peak instead of the possibly 2-A one2B Peak = 2-A
Something tells me they didn't read Spamton's profile properly if at allSpamton vs Sans should be removed.
The entire basis of the thread is that Sans is smart enough to cut Spamton's wires from distance, but there's a glaring issue with that: the damage the wires take and the damage Spamton himself takes are different.
As you can see, even when Spamton's wires are almost all completely cut, his HP is completely full, and in the reverse situation, his HP can be lowered without cutting any wire. And the wires are durable enough that 3 persons who are 9-A took an entire fight to cut them all while also dodging all of his attacks as well, and given that Sans' attacks are normally 10-B, and the wires cannot be dura-negged because of them not taking the same damage as Spamton (so no SOUL hax to apply), the bones and Gaster Blasters ain't damaging them at all.
And yes, Spamton has generally better mobility than Frisk, given that he can freerly move on all the directions thanks to his wires and can easily deal with KR thanks to his healing Pipis.
Blue Mode is also a non-factor, as Spamton has Class K LS, opposed to Sans' TK which is only Class 25.
I think it is just outdated…hopefullySomething tells me they didn't read Spamton's profile properly if at all
To be honest the entire thing about "but Spamton can be negged from cutting his strings!" is so out of context that is hilarious.I think it is just outdated…hopefully
Sans brings sciccors ezNot to mention the wires have still 9-A dura.
WHY WOULD YOU NEED A [[rarity: common]] PAIR OF SCISSORS!? JUST FOR YOU [in limited edition], WE GOT A SPECIL SPAMTON-EXCLUSIVE [[double blade]] SCISSORS AT A VERY HIGH [quality] AND A PRICE [[cut in half]] OF 300 KROMER!!Sans brings sciccors ez
Sans would probably be too lazy to open his wallet to buy and drive spamton crazy anyways this is derailing and I %100 agree with the removalWHY WOULD YOU NEED A [[rarity: common]] PAIR OF SCISSORS!? JUST FOR YOU [in limited edition], WE GOT A SPECIL SPAMTON-EXCLUSIVE [[double blade]] SCISSORS AT A VERY HIGH [quality] AND A PRICE [[cut in half]] OF 300 KROMER!!
More She-Hulk matches because you guys are terrible. Also, important note: She-Hulk straight up one-shot Titania, the person that she gets her AP from. This is failed to be mentioned in a number of matches. It'd be like having characters who have the same rating but ignoring that Character A one-shot someone with Character B's dura...but adding the match and saying they're equal. While in-verse stomps are hard to quantify, at the very least mean that any opponent she fights with equal or lesser dura than Titania should be treated similarly.
- Versus Saul Goodman: Saul has an absolutely massive intelligence diff...which considering this is a legal battle, equivocates to "Saul Stomps". Once you add in Saul's illegal tactics he pretty much auto-wins.
- Versus the Tyrant: I'm not sure why Tyrant's claw is treated as an auto-win. Is piercing damage just automatically considered dura neg? In any case, seeing as their AP is fairly close and seeing what She-Hulk did to Titania, it could be argued she wins (especially since her much greater intellect probably means she'll just...not let herself get hit by the obvious claw. You know, the argument made in 99% of She-Hulk threads against She-Hulk).
- Versus Goku: Goku's x4 AP, massive skill difference, power pole and nimbus and x3 movement speed gives him a massive stomp (and yes, he does have the power pole/nimbus: it's in his standard equipment and OP doesn't state otherwise).
- Versus Yokai: I brought this up before but it still seems like a blatant stomp. She-Hulk's clap is a few dozen meters at absolute best: the match starts at 200 neters at least. Higher AP and much higher LS, so the nanobots pick up She-Hulk and kill her 12 times out of 10. There is literally no way for She-Hulk to win.
- Versus Gloria: Did everyone forget that She-Hulk has better combat intellect and would just...stun the Hippo to death? Additionally, Gloria wins because of Elasticity, a power that straight-up isn't on her profile. Even with elasticity Shulk would just switch to spamming shockwaves/thunderclaps once it becomes clear that Gloria can tank regular hits, and Gloria doesn't ******* have it and the reasons given for such are bad.
- Versus Alexander Anderson: While this fight does acknowledge the Titania one-shot, She-Hulk doesn't have the AP to overcome his regen at all, and he has better LS, sealing, weapons and superior skill.
- Versus Raphael: All posts assumed 'Raph can take a few hits' when going by what actually happens in She-Hulk, he'd get KO'd instantly (and if not, dazed to the point where he can't stand). Since no comment acknowledged this and it definitely swings things massively, should be removed even if Raph still wins.
Honestly a part of me feels like this character should be match-banned. I dunno if that's even possible but the appalling quality of her matches combined with their sheer frequency is astonishing. Even when comparing characters like Tighten and Homelander, She-Hulk has had more losses than the two of them combined and her matches are consistently much more unfair (and Homelander has several wins, so at least you could argue he's not just getting spited).
Tyrant has higher Lifting Strength, so if she gets grappled it could restrain and impale her quite easily, which would quite fatal for reasons I don't need to explain. Piercing damage just a lot more damage than blunt-force trauma due to how sharp things work, being in the same tier won't stop her from getting stabbed.
- Versus the Tyrant: I'm not sure why Tyrant's claw is treated as an auto-win. Is piercing damage just automatically considered dura neg? In any case, seeing as their AP is fairly close and seeing what She-Hulk did to Titania, it could be argued she wins (especially since her much greater intellect probably means she'll just...not let herself get hit by the obvious claw. You know, the argument made in 99% of She-Hulk threads against She-Hulk).
She-Hulk don't one-shot Titania, she don't severely injure her (as evidenced by the lack of wounds) nor knock her out from a single hit (in the clip you linked she was still conscious even when strongly hit in the stomach, and she was also fine after receive another previous attack), in their second fight when Titania was prepared to fight it was show how they can clash (to the point that Titania legit received a straight punch to the face and could still fight), so no, She-Hulk don't one-shot Titania, she certainly upscale above her but not to the great degree you make it seem. Additionally in verse one-shot don't really apply the same way in the wiki so that make that point even less relevant.More She-Hulk matches because you guys are terrible. Also, important note: She-Hulk straight up one-shot Titania, the person that she gets her AP from. This is failed to be mentioned in a number of matches. It'd be like having characters who have the same rating but ignoring that Character A one-shot someone with Character B's dura...but adding the match and saying they're equal. While in-verse stomps are hard to quantify, at the very least mean that any opponent she fights with equal or lesser dura than Titania should be treated similarly.
About that last part, that’s not exactly true. Yes, one-shotting differs depending on the verse, but to act as if it isn’t relevant at all to a character’s strength isn’t rightShe-Hulk don't one-shot Titania, she don't severely injure her (as evidenced by the lack of wounds) nor knock her out from a single hit (in the clip you linked she was still conscious even when strongly hit in the stomach, and she was also fine after receive another previous attack), in their second fight when Titania was prepared to fight it was show how they can clash (to the point that Titania legit received a straight punch to the face and could still fight), so no, She-Hulk don't one-shot Titania, she certainly upscale above her but not to the great degree you make it seem. Additionally in verse one-shot don't really apply the same way in the wiki so that make that point even less relevant.
I didn't say they don't matter, I said that they aren't treated the same way in the wiki, which make the already bad argument of She-Hulk one-shoting Titania even less important.About that last part, that’s not exactly true. She, one-shotting differs depending on the verse, but to act as if it isn’t relevant at all to a character’s strength isn’t right
In the first fight She-Hulk absolutely KO'd her. She hits Titania once, and she's completely unable to fight afterwards: that's the definition of a one-shot. Saying that it's not a one-shot because there's no visible injuries is an awful argument.Not to comment about the validity of the matches itself since I don't care for these, but just want to comment one thing that I already said in the past...
She-Hulk has a huge intelligence gap so I do not see how Tyrant would land a hit. Tyrant's profile has him as smarter than the average zombies but the average zombie is Mindless so even by upscaling from that to an unquantifiable degree, She-Hulk easily outclasses that. It's below average intelligence comes from it's ability to execute other people's orders, not actually thinking by itself.Tyrant has higher Lifting Strength, so if she gets grappled it could restrain and impale her quite easily, which would quite fatal for reasons I don't need to explain. Piercing damage just a lot more damage than blunt-force trauma due to how sharp things work, being in the same tier won't stop her from getting stabbed.
Tyrant is also stronger than Titania, so I don't see why stomping Titania would give her the win.
Can't speak for those other matches but the Tyrant one should be fine.
She-Hulk's speed doesn't have a calc so she's just baseline Supersonic, Tyrant is slightly faster so it should be able to land a decisive blow with its claws.She-Hulk has a huge intelligence gap so I do not see how Tyrant would land a hit. Tyrant's profile has him as smarter than the average zombies but the average zombie is Mindless so even by upscaling from that to an unquantifiable degree, She-Hulk easily outclasses that. It's below average intelligence comes from it's ability to execute other people's orders, not actually thinking by itself.
Samantha page does not exist anymore for what I am seeing, so this match should be deleted from Kid Goku page
She was in mid-air and received a straight punch to the stomach while defenless, even in real life that could certainly left someone somewhat stunned like how Titania ended, specially when considering how Titania isn't a particularly trained individual more accustomed to pain and fight with comparable foes.In the first fight She-Hulk absolutely KO'd her. She hits Titania once, and she's completely unable to fight afterwards: that's the definition of a one-shot. Saying that it's not a one-shot because there's no visible injuries is an awful argument.
In their second fight you could easily argue She-Hulk just...didn't want to hospitalize her? She one-shot Titania by accident in their first fight and She-Hulk was shocked by the amount of damage dealt.
What? 'Tyrant is slightly faster so She-Hulk's massive skill difference doesn't matter". That's not convincing at all.She-Hulk's speed doesn't have a calc so she's just baseline Supersonic, Tyrant is slightly faster so it should be able to land a decisive blow with its claws.
Titania wasn't "stunned" though, she was unable to fight afterwards. Even the marvel wiki (considered a decent source) states that she was unconscious afterwards. The mental gymnastics to try and say that the very clear one-shot wasn't actually a one-shot is really bad. In their first fight, She-Hulk is shocked by how much damage Titania receive: she clearly didn't mean to deal that much damage to her. In their second fight, She-Hulk didn't even want to transform in the first place when Titania attacked her: that is as clear proof as we can get that She-Hulk didn't want to fight. I do hope you continue the matter because you're pretty blatantly wrong.
She-Hulk doesn't even have any skill feats, how would she go through a whole fight with someone faster than her without getting touched? The fact that they only started 5 meters apart doesn't help her chances of not getting hit at all.What? 'Tyrant is slightly faster so She-Hulk's massive skill difference doesn't matter". That's not convincing at all.
Adding to this Tyrant uses grabs IC and can do this against folks like RE1 Chris and Jill, who even then would have feats like fighting hunters who could one shot them and had years of military experience. Even if its not that bright this still counts, heck if I wanna lowball we can include Rebecca an 18 year old medic who spent 24 hours before 1 doing all of 0 and she was able to keep pace with Billy who also had years of military training iircShe-Hulk doesn't even have any skill feats, how would she go through a whole fight with someone faster than her without getting touched? The fact that they only started 5 meters apart doesn't help her chances of not getting hit at all.
Assuming you are someone untrained, try to receive a straight punch to the stomach from someone at least as strong as you in a completely denfeless state (don't think you could imitate the mid-air part though so just try any other state where you are unprepared to receive an attack by surprise) and see if you can't immediately stand up and fight as if nothing, now to that also add an violent impact against you head (since Titania was send flying and when crashing her head smashed against the wall). The reason of why most of the time characters in fiction (and to some extent also irl professional fighters) can continue fighting without much apparent problem under those conditions is because they are trained fighters, or also because they possess powers that let them withstand such things, and in this case Titania is just a normal girl (well, actually a typical influencer) that just happened to possess super strength, she lack combat training and her ability to withstand pain is unlikely to be considerable (something likely supported by the fact that her mental fortitude isn't that good as despicted in the series).Titania wasn't "stunned" though, she was unable to fight afterwards. Even the marvel wiki (considered a decent source) states that she was unconscious afterwards. The mental gymnastics to try and say that the very clear one-shot wasn't actually a one-shot is really bad. In their first fight, She-Hulk is shocked by how much damage Titania receive: she clearly didn't mean to deal that much damage to her. In their second fight, She-Hulk didn't even want to transform in the first place when Titania attacked her: that is as clear proof as we can get that She-Hulk didn't want to fight. I do hope you continue the matter because you're pretty blatantly wrong.
I'm not "arbitrarily" assuming that she's holding back. She says it verbatim that she doesn't want to transform. She doesn't even defend herself at first. She-Hulk makes it abundantly clear that she doesn't want to fight. I think saying that she wasn't trying as hard because she literally said she didn't want to try is a very reasonable assumption, if not the true one.
Her fighting the wrecking crew at already puts her far above the Tyrant (whose best skill feat is still "not mindless"). I also don't think "oo he has a big claw, better avoid it and use ranged attacks!" is big leap of faith versus a predictable ******** opponent.She-Hulk doesn't even have any skill feats, how would she go through a whole fight with someone faster than her without getting touched? The fact that they only started 5 meters apart doesn't help her chances of not getting hit at all.
I can't find any cutscenes of the Tyrant-002 doing this based off a cursory search. Assuming we're talking about just gameplay, that's completely inapplicable because any enemy, no matter how shitty, can tag you in gameplay.Adding to this Tyrant uses grabs IC and can do this against folks like RE1 Chris and Jill, who even then would have feats like fighting hunters who could one shot them and had years of military experience. Even if its not that bright this still counts, heck if I wanna lowball we can include Rebecca an 18 year old medic who spent 24 hours before 1 doing all of 0 and she was able to keep pace with Billy who also had years of military training iirc
You now that Bruce also say that he don't want to fight most of the time and still end transforming and beating the shit out of people right? Jennifer is the same, because while is true that she retain her consciousness, is also true that she still get affected by the anger and transform with it. Also, lets remember that she is the person that almost killed people (if not stopped) by something significantly more minor than be actively instigated and attacked, plus the fact that for "holding back" she surely did quite the damage to the surroundings and went for a delicate part like the head with a straight punch.I'm not "arbitrarily" assuming that she's holding back. She says it verbatim that she doesn't want to transform. She doesn't even defend herself at first. She-Hulk makes it abundantly clear that she doesn't want to fight. I think saying that she wasn't trying as hard because she literally said she didn't want to try is a very reasonable assumption, if not the true one.
If anything, you would have to prove why She-Hulk would go all out.
Regarding the marvel wiki, we consider is a verifiable source--and also, slightly moving for one second doesn't mean she didn't pass out immediately after? Or do you think Titania just gave up trying to fight She-Hulk? Even in real life, most people will still move a few seconds after getting a blow that would knock them unconscious (they'll turtle up or put their hands out).
Your point about Titania taking a blow to the head would be correct but Titania takes blows like that in her second fight with She-Hulk, and she's fine. The reason why is because She-Hulk is holding back because the episode makes it insanely clear that she doesn't want to fight. The stuff about stamina is like-sure? An opponent with similar AP and more stamina would probably not get knocked out. When did I say otherwise? You keep creating all sorts of disqualifiers that either don't matter to the actual feat or don't dispute anything. She-Hulk one-shot Titania when she was trying and didn't when she wasn't (and just got over being drunk).
This was discussed like 4 times already. Its a hax battle and Alien is 4D and Max has 4D hax.Alien-X vs Ma-X GRACE
Alien X vs Maxwell Speed is equalized Maxwell is bloodlusted and Alien X is in character Maxwell: 7 (Artorimachi_Meteoraft, Dragonite007, jojo123, LeoEpicGamer891, FantaRin_The_First, TheKillerYT, Epiccheev) Alien X: 1 (Reiner)vsbattles.com
Remove this alien X is low 1-C now
OkayNo
This was discussed like 4 times already. Its a hax battle and Alien is 4D and Max has 4D hax.