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This thread is created for the purpose of removing outdated or stomp versus threads from profiles that are administrator-protected.

Here are the regulations that need to be followed:
  • Kindly post links to the threads, along with the characters involved in the thread.
  • Provide reasons as to why you think it is a stomp match or if it doesn't follow our Versus Thread Rules.
  • Do not request a versus thread to be removed just because it's under your favorite character/verse profile.
  • Keep in mind that just because a match is decisive, or even has a unanimous vote, does not automatically make it stomp.
  • Remain patient regarding responses. Do not disturb other members with requests to look into this thread.
  • Do not derail the thread with off-topic posts. Persistent derailing, will likely result in a warning or perhaps even a block, depending upon the severity of the derailment.
  • Argument involving a versus thread to be removed that you don't agree with is allowed. Just be sensible about it.
The following on their own do not automatically mean a match is a stomp.
  • Being a decisive match doesn't make it a stomp.
  • Having a small array of hax isn't a stomp.
  • Having one hax to the opponent's none, or one hax being the deciding factor doesn't make it a stomp.
NOTE TO ALL STAFF MEMBERS: Please read through as much of a thread as you can before removing it. This will lessen the amount of people attempting to abuse this thread simply to remove losses from their favorite characters.
 

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Due to Nightmare's tier change, his vs threads have been removed, because they didn't fit the new tier anymore.
Thus, the same has to be done with the counterparts: Mard Geer (loss), Johnny Bravo (loss), Kenshiro victory), Kirito (victory), Mewtwo (inconclusive)
In some of these, the name Night Terror is used, but it is always Nightmare, but in a different form
 

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Can you handle it yourself tomorrow instead? We will hopefully open up the forum then.
 

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Thank you. I have unlocked the page, so you can edit it now.
 

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SamanPatou:

Thank you.

XitSign:

If the pages are unlocked, you should preferably handle this sort of thing on your own.
 

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Is somebody else willing to handle it please? I am very busy.
 

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Bobsican:

I have unlocked the page for you to edit.
 

Antvasima

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Tell me here is any of the other profiles that had matches with it need to be unlocked.
 
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Very well, I'll list the match-ups that are being removed and why, I'll bold the ones whose page needs to be unlocked to remove the match accordingly:

Nicol Bolas (Now the two by themselves cap on the same tier, 682 still has Low 1-C type 8 immortality via 343, but the discussion over the outcome should be redone overall).

Lavos (See above, except Lavos isn't even 5-A anymore and has gone across a ton of revisions by then, so a remake of the thread has to be done anyways)

D (Vampire Hunter D) (The abilities of both now cap on the same tier (Low 1-C), so this is quite outdated).

There's also the Warhammer 40K match-ups I'm iffy on, but I would like some thoughts from @Wokistan . I hope you can tag him for me.

Everything else seems to have aged well out of always assuming the extra-dimensional stuff, which still holds true now technically.
 

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Okay. I will remove the matchups from the locked pages, and would appreciate if you handle the others on your own.

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Are you willing to help out here?
 

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Don't think the immortality tier change actually changes anything with either of them. Horus and 682 still have trouble killing the other, guliman still kills 682 and then dies to low 2-C on death.
 

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Okay, so should the matchups in question stay then?
 

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Okay. Are you willing to handle the other remaining ones?
 

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So, I ended up in a conversation with a bunch of people on Discord about JoJo, and found out that a certain match is simply bollocks.

Lisa Lisa vs. Master Viper

Initially, it was argued that Lisa Lisa would win simply because Master Viper would be unable to comprehend her Hamon infused scarf fast enough to be able to fight back. But then @TacticalNuke002 added to this by openly stating that this would liquefy Viper's organs.

Thing is, Hamon really only works on this level with vampires or monsters that are particularly weak to sunlight, as could be seen for instance with Will A. Zeppeli punching a stone in half while leaving the frog on top intact and unharmed. So, this match got a win for Lisa Lisa based on false premises, and this should be removed.
 
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So, I ended up in a conversation with a bunch of people on Discord about JoJo, and found out that a certain match is simply bollocks.

Lisa Lisa vs. Master Viper

Initially, it was argued that Lisa Lisa would win simply because Master Viper would be unable to comprehend her Hamon infused scarf fast enough to be able to fight back. But then @TacticalNuke002 added to this by openly stating that this would liquefy Viper's organs.

Thing is, Hamon really only works on this level with vampires or monsters that are particularly weak to sunlight, as could be seen for instance with Will A. Zeppeli punching a stone in half while leaving the frog on top intact and unharmed. So, this match got a win for Lisa Lisa based on false premises, and this should be removed.
The intent during the frog punch was to not hurt the frog. Later in Part 2 when Esidisi possesses Suzie Q, he dares Joseph, Caesar and Lisa Lisa to use hamon on her which would kill her.
 
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Need someone to remove Luigi's win against Danny Phantom from his profile since it's locked. Danny is no longer 4-A so it's a stomp, it's already been removed from Danny's page.
 

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The intent during the frog punch was to not hurt the frog. Later in Part 2 when Esidisi possesses Suzie Q, he dares Joseph, Caesar and Lisa Lisa to use hamon on her which would kill her.
...You mean when he literally infused his brain and blood vessels into her, meaning that any attempt by Joseph to use Hamon would kill her alongside him? Because that qualifies as being a vampire and being weak to Hamon.

 
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Stopping by to say that yeah the Viper match should be removed. Hamon imo seems to be way over estimated To the point where people just ignore its original purpose. As far as I’m aware yhe only time we see someone who’s not undead or specifically weak to iy get hurt by Hamon is Joseph when it’s Ultimate Kars which...clearly doesn’t apply to every Hamon user ever.
 

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Thank you for helping out so much Elizhaa.
 

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Are the pages locked? If not, you can remove the matchup link yourself if you wish.
 
This thread is now an one-sided stomp for the lust god over Flowery (with the former recently being upgraded to low 1-C) also for some reason it's on the 40K profile not the fantasy one (I guess when the WH40K profiles got split the match was accidentally added to the 40K profile).
 

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Is some other staff member willing to handle it?
 
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Still about Flowey, I'd want to remove his fight against Dialga, since the latter won against Asriel, which is basically Flowey's power-up, making the former thread pointless.

Same with Palkia's, since Flowey can't do nothing aganint a concept that embodies a multiverse way larger than he can affect, making it another "Arceus vs Rimuru" like match
 

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Okay. No problem. Did you also update the character profile pages of the characters he fought against though?
 

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I suppose that your suggestion seems to make sense.
 

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Connie vs Right Hand Man

Not only does RHM borderline oneshot (Gap of over 6.6x) but his range advantag ensures that Connie will never be able to hit him as she can solely fight in melee range and he possesses hax such as time manipulation and attack reflection that ensure that nothing connie has will ever do anything to him
 

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Weekly:

That seems fine to remove then.

Is somebody willing to help Strym with his problem?
 
I don't believe this match was an one-sided stomp but the reasoning was weak and it kinda turned into a FRA train:

1st) The win conditions were; time manipulation based resurrection, an ability that isn't listed on the BB hunter profile (it's stated to be dimensional travel) while I don't disagree that the BB hunter has this ability (its from a canon source after all) using abilities that aren't on and/or clearly explained on the character's profile as a win-con is a big no-no last time I checked moreover the other win-con was mind hax which the MH resists (as you can see in the VS match it isn't even explained how potent BB hunters mind hax is thus potentially overcoming the MH resistance).

2nd) Judging by the arguments, it essentially boils down to the MH "has no way to put down his opponent", this type of language is often synonymous with a stomp match yet this is contraindicated by my third point.

3rd) As you can see here the MH has a win-con via soul destruction (BB hunter doesn't resist soul hax) this wasn't brought up at all in the initial match which further backs my point of the arguments being weak.

Tl;dr: I don't mind the outcome but the arguments were flimsy. At best; better reasoning should be added and at worst the match should be taken down (for another rematch), thoughts?
 
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1) The Hunter has Immortality Type 4 on their profile. The mindhax in question refers to Madness Manipulation, I believe, which the Hunter does not resist. Could be wrong, been a long ass time since that match.

2) MH!Hunter can absolutely incap. They cannot kill is the noteworthy thing.

3) That requires specific equipment to achieve, such as Alatreon gear.
 
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Due of the recent Pokémon 5-B upgrade, some vs threads are outdated
  • Deoxys vs Shadow due to Deoxys getting the AP upgrade, nulling the wincon of Shadow via having a way superior AP
  • Mega Rayquaza vs Ridley, Goku and Blaze are outdated due of the green dragon becoming 5-A
  • Vegeta vs Black Kyurem for the same reason
  • Reshiram vs Goku due to both their 5-B scalings being reduced, with Goku getting the bigger nerf
  • Groudon vs Godzilla due to Groudon now having the AP advantage,that was the reason why Godzilla won
  • Xerneas vs Silver should be now an AP stomp for the former
  • Victini vs V-mon is outdated too, due to the former massively AP stomping after the revisions of both
 
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Thank you for the information.

Is somebody else willing to handle it please?
 

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Thank you for keeping an eye out.

Is some other content moderator or sysop/administrator willing to handle it?
 
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Removing all the Kenshiro matchups, since, after this CRT, all the vs threads with him are outdated since they assume that Ken is simply Non-Corporeal, while now is Non-Existent, making all these fights stomp threads in his favor.
 

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Thank you for helping out Starter_Pack. I appreciate it.
 

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I have removed the two matches from the Eternal Champion's profile, as well as the Joker match from The Dovahkiin's profile, since Ren no longer has any match listed on his profile.
 

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Thank you for helping out so much. It is very appreciated.
 

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None of the files are locked (I think) but I want to post here and explain my reasoning.

I think The Mandalorian’s 3 losses need to be removed, reason being is he just got access to a High 7C weapon in the final episode, granted he hasn’t used it much, which I bring up another point in that he has just gotten access to a Beskar spear, making him much stronger in CQC then he was previously.

Any thoughts
 
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