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Upgrade every bubble/world from Maou Gakuin to tier 2A

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Let's see what Fixxed has to say.

Anyway when world gets on verge of destruction if I am correct a seperate space possibly void or higher D still exists right. Chapter 479 Misha and anos were a standing on White space or sky before recreating the militia world from the scratch and they had bird view for both azure sky of gods and mortal world. So how do we consider that ? It's definitely a higher space or something which is outside of black sky possibly.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Let's see what Fixxed has to say.

Anyway when world gets on verge of destruction if I am correct a seperate space possibly void or higher D still exists right. Chapter 479 Misha and anos were a standing on White space or sky before recreating the militia world from the scratch and they had bird view for both azure sky of gods and mortal world. So how do we consider that ? It's definitely a higher space or something which is outside of black sky possibly.
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What I mean is that I didn't understand what happened in the end, hadn't we proved that shrines have their own time dimension? so why was it not accepted?
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Let's see what Fixxed has to say.

Anyway when world gets on verge of destruction if I am correct a seperate space possibly void or higher D still exists right. Chapter 479 Misha and anos were a standing on White space or sky before recreating the militia world from the scratch and they had bird view for both azure sky of gods and mortal world. So how do we consider that ? It's definitely a higher space or something which is outside of black sky possibly.
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Can we leave that out for now? It'll just derail the current discussion
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
I will wait for Fixxed reply. Later i will see how to explain that White void. I am still agree with 2A.
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I am in doubt whether the world is 2B or 2A, as it has already been proven that each shrine has its own space-time continuum and that even numerous shrines are large enough for it to be 2B, but I don't know how the argument for 2A works .
 
Arthex said:
i skipped through the thread, but I had a question. do the world's within the bubbles share same spacetime or are they different 4d structures?
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World is created from scratch. A new timeline is born when world gets recreated pretty sure Creator God exists in a white Void then create the world. I am still agree with 2A bubble as that white void itself exist inside the bubble. From outside the bubble POV bubble world is infinite so containing countless 2C structures inside a infinite structure should be qualify for 2A. Atleast this is what I think. Void of space can't be any size knowing outside the bubble is infinite void before world getting created should be infinite.

I will wait for someone to give a better explanation about White void.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
World is created from scratch. A new timeline is born when world gets recreated pretty sure Creator God exists in a white Void then create the world. I am still agree with 2A bubble as that white void itself exist inside the bubble. From outside the bubble POV bubble world is infinite so containing countless 2C structures inside a infinite structure should be qualify for 2A. Atleast this is what I think. Void of space can't be any size knowing outside the bubble is infinite void before world getting created should be infinite.

I will wait for someone to give a better explanation about White void.
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what are the worlds you are referring to in this context? like the realms within the bubble or the bubble itself?
 
To put it simply, my opinion is that we don't have enough information to assume that each Divine Sanctuary has a separate Space-Time and that it is not a feature attributed to the unique temporal nature of the ones mentioned in the CRT.

Plus, depending on whether the information Ultima mentioned in another thread applies here, none of this might matter.
 
Everything12 said:
To put it simply, my opinion is that we don't have enough information to assume that each Divine Sanctuary has a separate Space-Time and that it is not a feature attributed to the unique temporal nature of the ones mentioned in the CRT.

Plus, depending on whether the information Ultima mentioned in another thread applies here, none of this might matter.
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How many times do you Have to bring this up? About 3 sanctuaries have been accepted as being low 2C and its said that all sanctuaries are a microcosm of the bubble meaning they all have the same structure which makes all sanctuaries low 2C.
 
Everything12 said:
To put it simply, my opinion is that we don't have enough information to assume that each Divine Sanctuary has a separate Space-Time and that it is not a feature attributed to the unique temporal nature of the ones mentioned in the CRT.

Plus, depending on whether the information Ultima mentioned in another thread applies here, none of this might matter.
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Why wouldn't it be a safe assumption to assume all of them are separate space-times if at least few of them were even without that macrocosmos statement? I get that that can be thought to be unique attribute for trace land and future world, but like we have other examples where we see that it isn't the case.
 
imZer0Null said:
The only disagreement I'm gonna elaborate on for now is your opinions on the Land of Traces.


The statement "The land of traces...the boundless world that God created..." definitely at least suggests that the Land of Traces is infinite.


As stated in the novel, everything in the world, from the beginning of time 700 million years ago to the present moment, is contained in the Land of Traces, as traces. Traces are the "indestructible" and "immortal" past of all things, and are described as "indestructible" and "immortal" because you cannot destroy a trace by simply destroying it in the present, and would have to destroy it throughout its entire past to truly destroy it. This is supported by the fact that Anos needed "world-destroying" power to destroy traces.
The size of the Land of Traces is large enough to repeat the current 700 million years worth of traces a hundred times. In other words, the Land of Traces is large enough to contain 70 billion years worth of traces. The only way to destroy the Land of Traces is to exceed its overall capacity and carve a trace larger than 70 billion years.
The Land of Traces quite literally contains the entire past of the world, more specifically it currently contains 700 million years sections of the Militia World timeline and is capable of containing a 70 billion years section of the Militia World timeline.
The Land of Traces would definitely be rated as either High 3-A or (unquantifiably below baseline) Low 2-C in sheer size.


If I understand correctly, you're asking for proof that the bubble, and more specifically the azure sky, contains the divine domains' timelines in its entirety?
In that case, IF the divine domains are accepted as Low 2-C structures, then such proof is not at all needed as far as I know. You would first have to provide some valid reasons for why you think that the bubble does not contain the Low 2-C structures' entire timelines, because what you're asking for is essentially equivalent to asking for someone to prove that a multiverse contains the universes' entire timelines, which as far as I know does not have to be proved unless something indicates that it is not already the case.
Also, the azure sky was not proposed to be 4-D space because it contained universal sized spaces. It was proposed to be 4-D space because it contained 4-D space-time continuums. As you should know, IF the divine domains are accepted as separate 4-D space-time continuums, then they cannot be contained in 3-D space at all.
Sure, a Low 2-C structure can contain another smaller Low 2-C structure, but your example of "Two 3-D spaces with time flowing in both" is not an example of two separate space-time continuums to begin with from what I understand, as what you're describing is just 2 separate 3-D spaces with a single temporal dimension shared by both, making it a single Low 2-C structure. If the bigger Low 2-C structure was a infinite 4-D space, then it could contain a smaller 4-D space-time continuum, but if both Low 2-C structures were strictly separate 4-D space-time continuums, then I don't see how the bigger space-time continuum could contain a separate smaller space-time continuum in its 3-D space, without having another separate temporal dimension for the smaller space-time continuum, in which case the smaller space-time continuum could no longer be considered to be contained within the bigger space-time continuum, as the bigger space-time continuum does not contain the temporal dimension of the smaller space-time continuum.

In any case, that isn't actually extremely important. The azure sky of the gods definitely contains the divine domains, so if the divine domains are not accepted as 4-D space-time continuums, then the azure sky would not be 4-D space, but if the divine domains are accepted as 4-D space-time continuums, then the azure sky would be 4-D space (maybe even 5-D space according to some wiki standards, but I personally would not agree with it being 5-D space) unless something indicates that it is not already the case.


Sure. I personally don't really disagree with anything here.
In case you don't know, an upgrade very similar to this one was already proposed in the past, but it was rejected by me and other staff members based on almost the same reasoning as yours.
The only reason I even proposed the idea of 2-B bubbles was because of the following statement:



縮図 - shukuzu - Translations: microcosm; microcosmos; reduced drawing; miniature copy.

If the above statement, along with the other statements about the divine domains having a similar structure in this thread (if there even are any), is not enough evidence in your opinion that the divine domains all have a similar structure, i.e. if at least a few divine domains are considered to be universes (space-time continuums), then all divine domains should be considered universes (space-time continuums), unless a certain divine domain has some clear contradictions, then that's completely fine. I personally don't have any more evidence that could support such a notion, so I would just consider this notion to be rejected then.

Anyways, I found something interesting that I think might settle this debate:


There are ofc differences between Maou Gakuin's worlds and this "Ocean Between" (of which I know literally nothing of), but Ultima said that "we already rate singular universes made out of multiple ones as Low 2-C", so I think Maou Gakuin's worlds would probably be rated as Low 2-C regardless.
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I wanted to address the whole thing but then I saw Ultima statement and yes thats what I was trying to say, A bigger universe can be made up of other universes, unless there is something like a different dimension of time in them, I dont see anything of such tho.
Also the traces wont be H3A, since it is not infinite, it will just be above baseline 3A totally
 
Pain_to12 said:
what is the bolded statement suppose to even mean?
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Is mean the size of the world is same with real world so we have universal size santuary.
Pain_to12 said:
I really can't understand the English here, but if what you mean is. "To destroy a Sanctuary, you must destroy all the possible timelines"
then i will have you know nothing you said below proofs that.
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Its mean the time stucture in this world is different, when arnos detroy it with egil grone, the real world is not get effect. And to destroy it you must destroy all possible of future in it. That mean the future in this santuary in real world is different
Pain_to12 said:
The god of time been unable to manipulate time in a different space =/= the time is different from the actual world.
also Who is Nafta?
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Is just suporting proof, for different time structure

She is the god who have that santuary
Pain_to12 said:
Nothing here suggest infinite world especially not "I was in an Endless Wilderness"
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Read again. It also says "boundless world". And the endless wilderness is only in book not the land of traces it self
Pain_to12 said:
Also what are traces?
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Traces is past,history
Pain_to12 said:
not because of some sort of different time or something.
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Again, thats only supporting proof. And i give proof about even if you rewrite time the land of traces will not change, it means the time structure is different
Pain_to12 said:
if your claim is that the sanctuaries are infinite in size, why are you surprised it contains a sun?
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Where i claim this santuary is infinite in size??? I just says this santuary is different world and dimension
Pain_to12 said:
Nothing below suggest this, what was said was that if the first world is destroyed another one will replace it and like continously.
huh?
when one is destroyed, one gets added, so where did you see "get added endlessly" there is no addition or substraction going on here if when one gets destroyed another one replaces it
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Fixxed said:
The world is not only 3 or 1 but hundred-thousands-endlessly of worlds. Author use word re-create for desribe the destroyed world which was recreated and create for the new world. If world in layer one is get detroyed, world in layer two or/and three will only appear, and at the moment the destroyed world will being re-created. The world is endlessly being re-create and create/appear, thats make world in devil garden is more and more get added endlessly
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Pain_to12 said:
is this not saying the sanctuary has a limited size?
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Bruh i dont even says the santuary is limited in size. Stop strawmaning my point. The santuary is being limited because is only microcosm of world, is limited by the world/bubble
Pain_to12 said:
and what do they mean by flowers
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Yeah this not important. Its mean if the fire dew is fixed, the number of flower is fixed too. That because at that moment the amount of fire dew is get reduce because someone stole it
 
Everything12 said:
So a quick question, as I'm going to have to spend some time waking up before I go through all the posts here, what proves these divine domains are all 4-D?
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The domains have same structure with the world but in small version because it is a microcm of world, and meaning of microsm is copy of larger place

Santuary like land of traces is dont get effect even if you rewrite time, or if you destroy land of traces it would't effect the real world. And if want destroy it you must destroy every past in it
 
Lay took a breath out of the spectacular sight.
Even Shin couldn't hide his astonishment, as his gaze was stern.
We were in a sea that flowed out silvery light.
Looking back, I could see an endlessly huge, round bubble of silver light.
Looking with my Magic Eyes, I can certainly see the magical power of the creator god Militia.
This silver bubble was the world we were in.
"I might have called it "outside this world", but at least no one has ever seen anything outside this world. Even what we call "other dimensions" and "different worlds or realms" must exist inside this world after all."
To begin with Bubble world from outside view infinite in size. Everything including other dimensions and realms/worlds should exist inside the bubble. Which includes Azure sky of gods which contains countless realms of 4D structures
それは、遠い遠い始まりの記憶 この世界の原初にして、 繰り返された幾億目かの創世であった。
銀髪の少女は、まぶたを開く。
最初に視界に映されたのは、一面が真白に染められた空。 上下もなく、左右もなく、 見渡す限り、 どこまでも白が続いている。
『おはよう』
声が響いた。
『おはよう。 最期の子』
銀髪の少女は、 ぱちぱちと瞬きをする。
周囲を見渡すが、 声の主はどこにもいない。
『捜しても、 もういない。 私は、 すでに滅んだのだから。 これは、あな たに大切なことを伝えるために創造しておいた声』
「・・・・・・ あなたは誰･････?」
少女が問うと､ すぐに優しい声が返ってきた。
『私はあなたの前の代の創造神。 名はエレネシア。 あなたとあなたの妹 の母』
「……妹…………？」
銀髪の少女は背中に視線を向ける。 そっと後ろ手を伸ばしたが、 あるのはただ空だけだ。

It was the memory of a distant beginning, the primordial, repeated, billionth creation of this world.
The silver-haired girl opens her eyelids.
The first thing she sees is a sky that has been dyed completely white. There was no up and down, no left and right, as far as the eye could see, endless white.
Good morning.
A voice echoed.
"Good morning. Last child."
The silver-haired girl blinks.
She looks around, but the owner of the voice is nowhere to be found.
"I looked for her, but she was gone. I have already perished. This is the voice I created to tell you something important."
"・・・・・・ Who are you ・・・・・?"
The girl asked, and immediately a gentle voice answered.
"I am the creator of the generation before you. My name is Elenesia. I am the mother of you and your sister."
"...... sister ............?"
The silver-haired girl looked behind her back. She gently reaches behind her back, but all she sees is the sky.
Militia born in a white sky or higher D space before creating the world. It is stated to have infinite size.
め め ミーシャの神眼にはアーティエルトノアが､ サーシャの神眼にはサー ジエルドナーヴェがあり、 月と太陽が見つめ合った。
<魔王庭園>の空に浮かぶく創造の月>と<破滅の太陽が重なって
いく。
刻一刻と月が欠ける。 やがて、アーティエルトノアの皆既月蝕が起こった。
<源創の月蝕>は赤銀の光を放ちながら、 く魔王庭園>を優しく照ら
す。
そうせいてんきゅう 「三面世界<創世天球>」
氷の世界が消えていく。 地表や山々、森や街が消えていき、 最後、 空に浮かんでいた<源創の 月蝕>も消えた。
そこは､上下も左右も判然とせぬ一面が真白に染められた空。 立っているのか、 浮いているのかもはっきりとしない不思議な世界で は、どこまでも白が続いていた。
「ここって······?」
サーシャの問いに、ミーシャはこくりとうなずく。
「<源創の月蝕>の中。 <創世天球>は、世界を俯瞰する」
足元にあった、 白い世界が溶けていく。 まるで雪のように、 優しく、柔らかく。
そうして､やがて､眼下には、四つになって滅びゆく地上と､ 崩壊寸 前の神界が映っていた。
<源創の月蝕>は、今、 神界と地上の空、 どちらにも昇っている。 俺たちはその中から、 両方を俯瞰しているのだ。

The moon and the sun gazed at each other, as Misha's divine eye held Artieltnor and Sasha's divine eye held Sergierdnäve.
The moon of creation in the sky of the Garden of the Demon King and the sun of doom overlapped.
Every moment the moon was missing. Soon, the total lunar eclipse of Artielt Noah occurred.
The lunar eclipse of the source of creation gently illuminated the Garden of the Demon Lords with a reddish-silver light.
The total lunar eclipse of Source Creation was observed.
"Three-sided world creation celestial sphere"
The icy world is disappearing. The surface of the earth, mountains, forests, and cities disappear, and finally, the lunar eclipse of Genesis, which was floating in the sky, disappears.
There, the sky was white, with no discernible ups and downs or left and right. In this mysterious world, where it is not clear whether you are standing or floating, the white continues forever.
"What is this place ------?"
In response to Sasha's question, Misha gave no response.
""In the lunar eclipse of Genesis." The celestial sphere of creation looks down on the world."
The white world at my feet is melting away. Like snow, gentle and soft.
And then, below us, we see the earth, which has been destroyed in four pieces, and the divine world, which is on the verge of collapse.
The lunar eclipse of Genso is now rising in both the divine world and the earthly sky. We are looking down on both from within.
Well here it's stated that white space gives bird view of whole world including Mortal world and Azure sky of gods which has countless realms of 4D structure. Also it's stated all exist within that white sky.
世界中の人々が、 赤銀に輝く月蝕を見上げている。
皆、誇らしげで、 優しく、 愛に溢れた顔をしていた。
「最後の仕上げだ。 <源創の月蝕> が、 新たな世界を創造する。 <運命 の歯車>はもういらぬ。 絶望や理不尽は沢山だ。 次の世界は、ここに生 きる人々すべての愛と優しさにて生まれ変わり､ そして希望とともに回 り始める。 世界をエクエスの支配から解放し、お前たち一人一人が形創 るのだ」
地響きがした。
優しく､温かく、 どこまでも遠くへ伝わる
-それは世界の胎動だっ
た。
「さあ、歌え。 新しい世界の夜明けだ」
音楽が流れ始める。
優しい歌声とともに、世界中から、純白の光が立ち上っていく。
それは四つに分断された大地をつなげるように､ 幾本もの橋をかけ、 世界中を包み込む。
赤と銀の光が、 優しく差し込んだ。
ラー・センシア アーティエルトノアの月明かりがく想司総愛> と混ざり、なにもかも が愛と優しさで生まれ変わる。
取り戻した無数の火露が､ 蛍のように輝き出した。
ラー・センシア
<想司総愛>の白き光が、 火露をそっと包み込む。
それらは新しい秩序を創っていく。
最初に生まれた生命は、 樹理四神。 生誕神ウェンゼル、 深化神ディルフレッド、 終焉神アナヘム、 転変神 ギェテナロス。
彼らは目映い光に包まれながら、次々と生まれ変わる無数の神々たち とともに､新しい神界へと帰っていく。
「今度はもっと優しい世界に」
ミーシャが言った。
「今度はもっと笑顔の世界に」
サーシャが言った。
俺とレイは視線を交わし、 笑みを交わして、互いが手にした真白の剣
を重ね合う。 ラー・センシア。 <想司総愛>の光が一段と大きく瞬き、 すべてが創世の光にて生まれ 変わる。
この世界が、 転生していくのだ。
緑溢れる大地と、青々とした海が見えた。 夜が明けるように、 太陽が昇っていく。
歌が聞こえた。
おれたち 平和を示す、 世界の歌が。

People all over the world were looking up at the reddish silver lunar eclipse.
They all have proud, kind, loving faces.
"The final touch. The lunar eclipse of creation will create a new world. No more gears of fate. No more despair and unreason. The next world will be reborn with the love and kindness of all who live here, and it will begin to turn with hope. Free the world from Eques' grip, and let each of you shape it!"
The earth rumbled.
Gentle, warm, and far-reaching.
-It was the world in its infancy.
It was the world's first movement.
"Sing, sing. It's the dawn of a new world."
The music begins to flow.
A pure white light rises from all over the world with a gentle voice.
It encompassed the whole world, building bridges to connect the four divided lands.
The red and silver light gently shone through.
The moonlight of Ra Sensia Artielt Noah mingled with Souji So-Ai, and everything was reborn with love and kindness.
The countless dewdrops of fire that had been restored shone like fireflies.
Ra Sensia
The white light of Souji So-Ai gently envelops the fire dew.
They are creating a new order.
The first life to be born was the Four Arboreal Gods. Wenzel, the god of birth; Dirfred, the god of deepening; Anahem, the god of termination; and Gyetenaros, the god of transmutation.
They return to the new world of the gods with the countless gods who are reborn one after another, enveloped in a dazzling light.
"This time to a kinder world."
Misha said.
"This time to a world with more smiles."
Sasha said.
Ray and I looked at each other, smiled at each other, and laid our white swords in each other's hands on top of each other.
We both held the white sword in our hands, and we both smiled at each other. Ra Senshia. The light of Souji Souai blinks more brightly, and everything is reborn with the light of creation.
This world is reborn.
I could see the green earth and the verdant sea. The sun was rising like the dawn.
I heard a song.
The song of the world, a song of peace for us all.
Here it even confirms after Misha recreates the world all gods who existed in Azure sky of gods came to exist inside the world which militia created.

Well All I have to say is

  1. Outside view of bubble world infinite size
  2. Everything should exist Inside the bubble
  3. Inside there is an white sky/space/higher D which exists above real Militia world
  4. Inside Militia world there is mortal world and gods world(Azure sky of gods)
  5. Azure Sky of gods contains countless realms of 4D structure.

I'm currently confused about the scale for this structure. I don't know if white sky they are in can be considered as higher dimensional or not.
 
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Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Lay took a breath out of the spectacular sight.
Even Shin couldn't hide his astonishment, as his gaze was stern.
We were in a sea that flowed out silvery light.
Looking back, I could see an endlessly huge, round bubble of silver light.
Looking with my Magic Eyes, I can certainly see the magical power of the creator god Militia.
This silver bubble was the world we were in.
"I might have called it "outside this world", but at least no one has ever seen anything outside this world. Even what we call "other dimensions" and "different worlds or realms" must exist inside this world after all."
To begin with Bubble world from outside view infinite in size. Everything including other dimensions and realms/worlds should exist inside the bubble. Which includes Azure sky of gods which contains countless realms of 4D structures
それは、遠い遠い始まりの記憶 この世界の原初にして、 繰り返された幾億目かの創世であった。
銀髪の少女は、まぶたを開く。
最初に視界に映されたのは、一面が真白に染められた空。 上下もなく、左右もなく、 見渡す限り、 どこまでも白が続いている。
『おはよう』
声が響いた。
『おはよう。 最期の子』
銀髪の少女は、 ぱちぱちと瞬きをする。
周囲を見渡すが、 声の主はどこにもいない。
『捜しても、 もういない。 私は、 すでに滅んだのだから。 これは、あな たに大切なことを伝えるために創造しておいた声』
「・・・・・・ あなたは誰･････?」
少女が問うと､ すぐに優しい声が返ってきた。
『私はあなたの前の代の創造神。 名はエレネシア。 あなたとあなたの妹 の母』
「……妹…………？」
銀髪の少女は背中に視線を向ける。 そっと後ろ手を伸ばしたが、 あるのはただ空だけだ。

It was the memory of a distant beginning, the primordial, repeated, billionth creation of this world.
The silver-haired girl opens her eyelids.
The first thing she sees is a sky that has been dyed completely white. There was no up and down, no left and right, as far as the eye could see, endless white.
Good morning.
A voice echoed.
"Good morning. Last child."
The silver-haired girl blinks.
She looks around, but the owner of the voice is nowhere to be found.
"I looked for her, but she was gone. I have already perished. This is the voice I created to tell you something important."
"・・・・・・ Who are you ・・・・・?"
The girl asked, and immediately a gentle voice answered.
"I am the creator of the generation before you. My name is Elenesia. I am the mother of you and your sister."
"...... sister ............?"
The silver-haired girl looked behind her back. She gently reaches behind her back, but all she sees is the sky.
Militia born in a white sky or higher D space before creating the world. It is stated to have infinite size.
め め ミーシャの神眼にはアーティエルトノアが､ サーシャの神眼にはサー ジエルドナーヴェがあり、 月と太陽が見つめ合った。
<魔王庭園>の空に浮かぶく創造の月>と<破滅の太陽が重なって
いく。
刻一刻と月が欠ける。 やがて、アーティエルトノアの皆既月蝕が起こった。
<源創の月蝕>は赤銀の光を放ちながら、 く魔王庭園>を優しく照ら
す。
そうせいてんきゅう 「三面世界<創世天球>」
氷の世界が消えていく。 地表や山々、森や街が消えていき、 最後、 空に浮かんでいた<源創の 月蝕>も消えた。
そこは､上下も左右も判然とせぬ一面が真白に染められた空。 立っているのか、 浮いているのかもはっきりとしない不思議な世界で は、どこまでも白が続いていた。
「ここって······?」
サーシャの問いに、ミーシャはこくりとうなずく。
「<源創の月蝕>の中。 <創世天球>は、世界を俯瞰する」
足元にあった、 白い世界が溶けていく。 まるで雪のように、 優しく、柔らかく。
そうして､やがて､眼下には、四つになって滅びゆく地上と､ 崩壊寸 前の神界が映っていた。
<源創の月蝕>は、今、 神界と地上の空、 どちらにも昇っている。 俺たちはその中から、 両方を俯瞰しているのだ。

The moon and the sun gazed at each other, as Misha's divine eye held Artieltnor and Sasha's divine eye held Sergierdnäve.
The moon of creation in the sky of the Garden of the Demon King and the sun of doom overlapped.
Every moment the moon was missing. Soon, the total lunar eclipse of Artielt Noah occurred.
The lunar eclipse of the source of creation gently illuminated the Garden of the Demon Lords with a reddish-silver light.
The total lunar eclipse of Source Creation was observed.
"Three-sided world creation celestial sphere"
The icy world is disappearing. The surface of the earth, mountains, forests, and cities disappear, and finally, the lunar eclipse of Genesis, which was floating in the sky, disappears.
There, the sky was white, with no discernible ups and downs or left and right. In this mysterious world, where it is not clear whether you are standing or floating, the white continues forever.
"What is this place ------?"
In response to Sasha's question, Misha gave no response.
""In the lunar eclipse of Genesis." The celestial sphere of creation looks down on the world."
The white world at my feet is melting away. Like snow, gentle and soft.
And then, below us, we see the earth, which has been destroyed in four pieces, and the divine world, which is on the verge of collapse.
The lunar eclipse of Genso is now rising in both the divine world and the earthly sky. We are looking down on both from within.
Well here it's stated that white space gives bird view of whole world including Mortal world and Azure sky of gods which has countless realms of 4D structure. Also it's stated all exist within that white sky.
世界中の人々が、 赤銀に輝く月蝕を見上げている。
皆、誇らしげで、 優しく、 愛に溢れた顔をしていた。
「最後の仕上げだ。 <源創の月蝕> が、 新たな世界を創造する。 <運命 の歯車>はもういらぬ。 絶望や理不尽は沢山だ。 次の世界は、ここに生 きる人々すべての愛と優しさにて生まれ変わり､ そして希望とともに回 り始める。 世界をエクエスの支配から解放し、お前たち一人一人が形創 るのだ」
地響きがした。
優しく､温かく、 どこまでも遠くへ伝わる
-それは世界の胎動だっ
た。
「さあ、歌え。 新しい世界の夜明けだ」
音楽が流れ始める。
優しい歌声とともに、世界中から、純白の光が立ち上っていく。
それは四つに分断された大地をつなげるように､ 幾本もの橋をかけ、 世界中を包み込む。
赤と銀の光が、 優しく差し込んだ。
ラー・センシア アーティエルトノアの月明かりがく想司総愛> と混ざり、なにもかも が愛と優しさで生まれ変わる。
取り戻した無数の火露が､ 蛍のように輝き出した。
ラー・センシア
<想司総愛>の白き光が、 火露をそっと包み込む。
それらは新しい秩序を創っていく。
最初に生まれた生命は、 樹理四神。 生誕神ウェンゼル、 深化神ディルフレッド、 終焉神アナヘム、 転変神 ギェテナロス。
彼らは目映い光に包まれながら、次々と生まれ変わる無数の神々たち とともに､新しい神界へと帰っていく。
「今度はもっと優しい世界に」
ミーシャが言った。
「今度はもっと笑顔の世界に」
サーシャが言った。
俺とレイは視線を交わし、 笑みを交わして、互いが手にした真白の剣
を重ね合う。 ラー・センシア。 <想司総愛>の光が一段と大きく瞬き、 すべてが創世の光にて生まれ 変わる。
この世界が、 転生していくのだ。
緑溢れる大地と、青々とした海が見えた。 夜が明けるように、 太陽が昇っていく。
歌が聞こえた。
おれたち 平和を示す、 世界の歌が。

People all over the world were looking up at the reddish silver lunar eclipse.
They all have proud, kind, loving faces.
"The final touch. The lunar eclipse of creation will create a new world. No more gears of fate. No more despair and unreason. The next world will be reborn with the love and kindness of all who live here, and it will begin to turn with hope. Free the world from Eques' grip, and let each of you shape it!"
The earth rumbled.
Gentle, warm, and far-reaching.
-It was the world in its infancy.
It was the world's first movement.
"Sing, sing. It's the dawn of a new world."
The music begins to flow.
A pure white light rises from all over the world with a gentle voice.
It encompassed the whole world, building bridges to connect the four divided lands.
The red and silver light gently shone through.
The moonlight of Ra Sensia Artielt Noah mingled with Souji So-Ai, and everything was reborn with love and kindness.
The countless dewdrops of fire that had been restored shone like fireflies.
Ra Sensia
The white light of Souji So-Ai gently envelops the fire dew.
They are creating a new order.
The first life to be born was the Four Arboreal Gods. Wenzel, the god of birth; Dirfred, the god of deepening; Anahem, the god of termination; and Gyetenaros, the god of transmutation.
They return to the new world of the gods with the countless gods who are reborn one after another, enveloped in a dazzling light.
"This time to a kinder world."
Misha said.
"This time to a world with more smiles."
Sasha said.
Ray and I looked at each other, smiled at each other, and laid our white swords in each other's hands on top of each other.
We both held the white sword in our hands, and we both smiled at each other. Ra Senshia. The light of Souji Souai blinks more brightly, and everything is reborn with the light of creation.
This world is reborn.
I could see the green earth and the verdant sea. The sun was rising like the dawn.
I heard a song.
The song of the world, a song of peace for us all.
Here it even confirms after Misha recreates the world all gods who existed in Azure sky of gods came to exist inside the world which militia created.

Well All I have to say is

  1. Outside view of bubble world infinite size
  2. Everything should exist Inside the bubble
  3. Inside there is an white sky/space/higher D which exists above real Militia world
  4. Inside Militia world there is mortal world and gods world(Azure sky of gods)
  5. Azure Sky of gods contains countless realms of 4D structure.

I'm currently confused about the scale for this structure. I don't know if white sky they are in can be considered as higher dimensional or not.
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For now its best to just consider the white space as a void I think
 
Tatsumi504 said:
For now its best to just consider the white space as a void I think
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I am not sure but i will wait for Some more input. Well I will try to look into more detail on azure sky pretty sure Eques was hiding in bottom of azure sky of gods possibly there may be statement of azure sky of gods being infinite size.
 
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To put it simply, my opinion is that we don't have enough information to assume that each Divine Sanctuary has a separate Space-Time and that it is not a feature attributed to the unique temporal nature of the ones mentioned in the CRT.

Plus, depending on whether the information Ultima mentioned in another thread applies here, none of this might matter.
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Thank you for the input, @Everything12 . Should we close this thread then, or are there any valid revisions that should be made based on it?
 
Fixxed said:
The massive upgrade for character from maou gakuin (next upgrade is transduality 2 👀)

First we must know that the bubble have infinite in size, so by logic bubble can contain everything until infinite. Bubble are desribe being endless,no end from the novel and have infinite sky from the author it self
「この大地から遠ざかるほど、黒穹は引き延ばされていき、なにもない無に近づく。それは無限に近い空、神界があるのはここ」
黒穹に『神々の蒼穹』が描き足される。
「どこまでも引き延ばされる黒穹に終わりはない」
"The farther you move away from this earth, the more the black sky is stretched out, and the closer you get to nothingness. It is here, in the nearly infinite sky, that the divine world is located."
　The <Azure Sky of The Gods> is added to the black sky.
"There is no end to the black skies that stretch on forever."
Just for little clarify. The explanation about first black sky is just stated near-infinite, yeah is not infinite, but the first explanation is only about mortal world not added the god world. After adding the azure sky the black sky is states to be no end. So the azure sky in the black sky is infinite in size too
背後を振り返れば、そこにあるのは果てしなく巨大な、銀の光を放つ丸い泡だ。
魔眼めを凝らしてみれば、確かに創造神ミリティアの魔力が見える。
この銀の泡が、俺たちがいた世界。
つまり、その外へ出たのだ。
　Looking back, there is an endless, gigantic, round bubble with a silver glow.
　If you look closely with your magical eyes, you can certainly see the magical power of Militia, the creator god.
　This silver bubble is the world we were in.
　In other words, we went out of it.
There are many layers in the Silver Sea, and there are countless bubbles in each layer, and there is an infinite sky in each bubble. There, it stretches on endlessly with no end, and it is where that world's gods are located.
Each god has its own world, and there is a deeper world, the world of the Chief God or the abyssal world.
Just to clarify endless is mean infinite, i get it from this thread:

And in bubble there are countless santuaries of god
「ふむ。まあ、外といっても様々だ。お前たちが生まれたのは、樹理廻庭園ダ・ク・カダーテの一つ、枯焉砂漠。樹理廻庭園には更に三つの神域があり、その外には数多無数の神域がある。そこは神々の蒼穹と呼ばれる、神族たちの国。神界の門をくぐれば、俺が生まれた魔族の国や、人間の国がある」
"Hmmm. Well, there are many ways to say outside. You were born in the Karewake Desert, one of the gardens of the Da Ku Kadate. There are three more sanctuaries in the Garden of Arboriculture, and countless sanctuaries outside of the Garden of Arboriculture. It is called the azure sky of the gods, the land of the god clans. If you pass through the gates of the divine realms, you will find the land of the demon tribe in which I was born and the land of human beings."

Santuaries is have universal size and have they own time and space, even they stated to be a different dimension. Like 4 example i whould give:

Future World Nafta
This santuary have it own time dimension because it have own timeline of future. This santuary is another form/shape of world and it size is equal to the size of world. To destroy it you must destroy all possibilities of future. When anos destroy it with egil grone, the mortal world (real world) is not get the effect it is mean future world nafta is different world from the mortal world. Even the god of time cannot manipulate time in this world, it mean the time is different from time in mortal world
「＜未来世水晶＞カンダクイゾルテは、この世界の数多の未来、それは世界の形に等しいでしょう。あなたの行いは、世界と自分とどちらが先に滅ぶか比べようというもの。結論は火を見るよりも明らかでしょう」
"<Future Crystal> Kandakuisorte is the numerous futures of this world, which will be equal to the shape of the world. Your deed is to compare which will perish first, the world or yourself. The conclusion will be clearer than fire."
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「ナフタは宣誓します。現在がここにある限り、未来は滅びようとも何度でも蘇る。＜未来世水晶＞を滅ぼすには、あらゆる可能性を滅ぼすしかありません」
水晶の破片がみるみる数を増して、まるで輝く砂嵐のように、この場を包み込んでいく。
「其はあり得たかもしれぬ、もう一つの世界の形。咎人よ、汝を、限局世界の刑に処す」
水晶の砂嵐が過ぎ去れば、途端に風景が変わった。
そこは見知らぬ街である。すべての建物、すべての植物、すべての人々が、水晶で作られている。
遠くに見える山や、彼方の天蓋、流れる河川までもが水晶だった。
その一つ一つから、途方もない魔力を感じる。
「ふむ。カンダクイゾルテで作られた世界か」
「ナフタは宣誓します。この世界は、すべてがあなたにとって最悪の結果になるように限局します。あなたの勝利はこの世界では選ばれません」
"Nafta takes an oath. As long as the present is here, the future will rise again and again, even if it is destroyed. The only way to destroy the <Future Crystal> is to destroy all possibilities."
　The shards of the crystal are growing in number and enveloping the place like a shining sandstorm.
"It is another form of the world that could have been. I sentence thee, O man of iniquity, to the punishment of a limited world."
　As soon as the crystal sandstorm passed, the landscape changed.
　It was a strange city. Every building, every plant, every person was made of crystal.
　Even the mountains in the distance, the canopy in the distance, and the flowing rivers were made of crystal.
　I could feel tremendous magical power from each and every one of them.
"Hm. A world made of kandaquisorte."
"Nafta swears. Nafta swears to you that this world will be limited so that everything will turn out for the worst for you. Your victory will not be chosen in this world."
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「ゆえに、その目を開き、くれぐれもうまく限局するのだな。この魔法を放ったが最後、最悪でもカンダクイゾルテの世界は滅ぶ」
言葉もなく、呆然とこちらへ顔を向ける未来神へ、俺は言った。
「限局できねば、現実の世界ごと滅び去る」
黒き粒子が砲塔を中心に七重の螺旋を描く。
水晶の地面に底の見えぬ亀裂が入る。
亀裂の先もまた見えず、それは限局世界を文字通り、二つに割っていた。
"Therefore, open your eyes and be careful to limit it well. If you unleash this magic, at the very worst, the world of Kandakuisorte will be destroyed."
　I said to the god of the future, who turned his face toward me, speechless and dumbfounded.
"If you can't limit it, the whole real world will be destroyed."
　Black particles spiraled seven times around the turret.
　A bottomless crack appears in the crystal ground.
　The end of the crack was also invisible, and it literally split the localized world in two.
「時間だ。奴ら二人の時間が恐ろしいほどの速度で流れている。だからこそ、奴ら自身の動きは遅いが、私どもには速く映る。遅くとも速い、という矛盾が成立する」
「……まさか、未来を司るナフタの限局世界で、自分たちだけ先の未来へ辿り着けるはずが……時の番神エウゴ・ラ・ラヴィアズとて、ここでは時間の操作は不可能なはず……！？」
"It's time. The two of them are moving at a frightening speed. That's why they themselves are slow, but to us they seem fast. The paradox of slow and fast is formed."
"......It is not possible that we alone can reach the future in the limited world of Nafta, who controls the future. ...... Even Eugo La Raviaz, the god of time, cannot manipulate time here. ......!

Land Of Traces
This santuary have it own past and history, it can contain a infinite size in just one book only, there are many book in land of traces that contain every past of everything. It size is also boundless or infinite. Anos destroy it and the mortal world is not get effect, its mean land of traces is another world/different world from mortal world. Time get destorted in this world and no matter how many you rewrite time, land of traces will not change, even is useless to use time magic in this land. This mean time in land of traces are different from mortal world
天蓋が頭上を覆っている。
痕跡神の夢の中で見た、あの本の荒野だ。
果てなき大地には、どこまでも遠く巨大な棚が並び、そびえ立つ。
その中心に立っていたのは、純白の本を手にし、厳かな衣装を纏った神族。
痕跡神リーバルシュネッド。
そして、傍らに跪き、祈りを捧げるのは、教皇ゴルロアナである。
俺は荒野の大地に着地すると、まっすぐ視線を二人に向けた。
A canopy covers overhead.
　It is that wilderness of books that I saw in the dream of the god of traces.
　Huge shelves lined and towered over the endless land, far and wide.
　Standing in the center of it all, holding a pure white book in his hand and dressed in a solemn costume, was the God Tribe.
　Leibalschnedd, the god of traces.
　And kneeling beside him, praying, was Pope Gorloana.
　I landed on the wilderness ground and turned my gaze straight to them.
Wilderness in it, is the same wilderness in chapter 279, is the same endless land. This because every books in the land of traces is contain every past of everything
遠い昔――
それは地底に起きた始まりの審判。
勝ち抜いた選定の神とそれに選ばれた者の結末だった。
果てしない荒野に佇むのは少女の姿をした創造神と、彼女が選んだ選定者。
たった今、熾烈を極めた聖戦は終わった。
立っているのは神と人、二人だけである。
天が鳴くが如く、けたたましい音が頭上から轟く。
耳を劈く轟音とともに、天蓋が堕ちてきていた。
　A long time ago--
　It was the beginning judgment that took place in the depths of the earth.
　It was the end of the victorious god of selection and his chosen one.
　Standing in the endless wilderness is the creator god in the form of a young girl and her chosen one.
　The fierce holy war has just ended.
　Standing there are only two people, God and man.
　A rumbling sound, as if the heavens were crying, roars from overhead.
　With an ear-splitting roar, the canopy was falling.
「時を歪めたか」
魔眼めを凝らし、その深淵を見つめながら、言う。
「然り。痕跡の大地では、未来には辿り着かぬ。我が信徒、ゴルロアナの命は過去に刻まれたまま、決して滅ぶことはない」
「ふむ。つまり、お前を先に片付ければいいわけだろう」
「然り。されど、我もまた不滅なり。この身は、痕跡の秩序。万物の過去なのだ。時を何度塗り替えようと、そこにあったという事実は変わらぬ」
すでに過ぎ去った存在、記録と記憶が痕跡神の秩序。
奴を滅ぼすには、過去を改変するのが望ましいだろうが、その秩序を司る神を相手に時間魔法で挑んでも勝ち目はあるまい。
奴は確かにここにいた。
その事実は、なにがどうあろうと変わりはしない。
"Have you distorted time?"
　He says, staring into the depths of the abyss with his evil eye.
"Yes, he said. In the land of traces, the future cannot be reached. The life of my follower, Gorloana, is etched in the past and will never perish."
"Hm. So, I guess I'll just have to get rid of you first."
"Yes. But I, too, am immortal. This body is the order of traces. I am the past of all things. No matter how many times I rewrite time, the fact remains that it was there."
　The existence that has already passed away, records and memories are the order of the god of traces.
　To destroy him, it would be desirable to alter the past, but there is no way to win by using time magic against the god who control order.
　He was certainly here.
　That fact will never change, no matter what.
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ここは時の秩序の狂った世界。
ならば、多少の本気を出しても問題あるまい。
This is a world where the time has gone mad.
　Then, there is no problem to be a little serious.
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「この大地よりも大きな足形をつけてやればいい。元の痕跡は踏みつぶされて消え、新たにつけられた足跡は、この大地に収まりきらぬ。つまり、痕跡の秩序が乱れるというわけだ」
「不可能なり。ここは世界のすべてがあまさず収まる痕跡の大地。時の始まりより、今日にいたるまでの痕跡は七億年。それを百度繰り返すだけの器が、すわなち、この大地の広さなり。それよりも大きな痕跡など、この天地に存在せぬ」
"Let them make footprints bigger than the earth. The original footprints will be crushed, and the new footprints will not fit in the earth. In other words, the order of the traces would be disturbed."
"Impossible. This is the land of traces where everything in the world fits together. From the beginning of time to the present day, there have been traces for 700 million years. The size of this land is a vessel that can repeat this process a hundred times. There is no trace greater than that in the whole of the earth."
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「……痕跡の大地が……神が作りし、無辺なる世界が……踏みつぶされ……た…………」
呆然と呟くゴルロアナに、俺は言った。
「七〇〇億年の痕跡を刻む神の大地も、俺の七歩には耐えられなかったようだな」
"...... the land of traces ...... God made, the boundless world ...... was crushed ...... was ............."
　I said to Gorloana, who muttered in dismay.
"The Land of God, which has carved seven billion years of traces, could not withstand my seven steps, it seems."

Memiya Shinto
This santuary is another world with different dimension, this world is also contain sun in it
「太陽」
ミーシャが頭上を見上げ、手で光を遮りながら言った。
「……なにあれ……？」
「すごいぞ」
サーシャとエレオノールが声を上げ、天を見つめる。
そこは、広大な海だ。
波打つ水面が、空のように広がっており、その奥には確かに太陽らしき影が見える。
「空が海とは、また変わった場所だな」
「……あの神界の門が、この異界につながってたってことよね……？」
サーシャが、確認するように言葉をこぼす。
『ようこそ、ゼシア、エレオノール。それから、魔王アノス』
エンネスオーネがこちらを振り向き、歓迎するように言った。
少女の頭の小さな翼がファサッと動く。
『ここは、芽宮神都がきゅうしんとフォースロナルリーフ』
幼い声で、彼女は告げる。
『神々の蒼穹へ続く神域の一つなの』
「ふむ。神界の門と神々の蒼穹には、狭間があると聞いているが、この都がそうか？」
『うん。この神都の深層にもう一つの神界の門があるの。そこが神々の蒼穹につながってるよ？』
芽宮神都フォースロナルリーフといったか。
神界の門をくぐったすぐ先にあるのなら、知っていそうなものだが、聞き覚えはない。
"The sun."
　Misha looked up overhead, blocking the light with his hand and said.
"...... what is that ......?"
"It's amazing!"
Sasha and Eleonor raised their voices and stared at the heavens.
　It is a vast ocean.
　The rippling surface of the water is as wide as the sky, and behind it, there is indeed a shadow that looks like the sun.
"The sky is the sea, another unusual place."
"......That means that the gate of the divine world was connected to this other world, right ......?"
　Sasha spills the words as if to confirm.
"Welcome, Zessiah and Eleonor, and also the Demon King Anos. And Anos, the Demon King."
　Ennesone turned to me and said welcomingly.
　The little wings on the girl's head flapped.
"This is the place," she announces, her voice still childish, where the city of Memiya Shinto is located."
　In a young voice, she announces.
"It is one of the santuaries leading to the azure skies of the gods."
"Hm. I have heard that there is a chasm between the gate of the Divine Realm and the Azure Sky of the Gods, is this the case with this capital?"
"Is this the case? There is another gate of the divine world in the depths of this divine city. It is connected to the azure sky of the gods, right?"
　The city is called the Budgong divine capital Force Ronal Reef.
　If it is just beyond the gate of the divine world, I should know it, but I don't remember hearing about it.
「神界って、ここから更に遠いところよね？　神界の門をくぐったら、次元も違うんだし。神族ってそんなところから、地上を見られるの？」
"The Divine Realm is even further away from here, right?　Once you pass through the gate of the Divine Realm, the dimension is also different. Can the Gods see the earth from such a place?"

Devil Garden
Is the santuary of the god of creation. This santuary can contain hundreds and thousands of worlds. The size of this world is endlessly
　瞬間、俺とエクエスを取り巻く世界が変わった。
　天はどこまでも高く、空には＜創造の月＞アーティエルトノアと＜破滅の太陽＞サージエルドナーヴェが寄り添うように浮かんでいる。
　地はどこまでも広がり、白銀の氷が、森や草原、山や街を構築していた。
　俺とエクエス以外には、誰もいない。
　ここは、創造神ミリティアが創り出した彼女の神域――
「三面世界＜魔王庭園＞」
　At that moment, the world around me and Eques changed.
　The heavens were high in the sky, with the Moon of Creation <Artier Tonoa>, and the Sun of Destruction <Serge Eldonave>, floating close together.
　The earth spread out endlessly, with silvery white ice building forests, meadows, mountains, and cities.
　There was no one here but me and Eques.
　This is her sanctuary, created by the creator goddess Militia.
"Three-sided world <Demon King's Garden>"
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　その＜魔王庭園＞では、＜破滅の太陽＞が滅びを滅ぼす光を放つ。
　致命的な威力の攻撃が神域に与えられれば、その瞬間、サージエルドナーヴェの力にて相殺しているのだ。
　たとえ神域が深い損傷を負おうとも、たちまち＜創造の月＞が世界を創り直す。
　なによりこの世界は、三重に重なっている。
　サージエルドナーヴェの相殺とアーティエルトノアの再生を超えた力にて一つ目の世界が滅びようと、重なっていた二つ目の世界が姿を現すのみだ。
　そして、その瞬間に滅びた一つ目の世界は創り直される。
　俺の滅びが止められぬのなら、止めずに新しく創世すればよい、といったところか。
　何百何千もの世界を滅ぼす力を解き放とうと、延々と世界は創造され続ける。
　In that <Demon King's Garden>, the <Sun of Doom> emits a light that destroys destruction.
　Whenever a fatal attack is made on a sacred space, it is canceled at that moment by the power of the surge eldonave.
　Even if the sanctuary is deeply damaged, the Moon of Creation will immediately recreate the world.
　Above all, this world is triple layered.
　Even if the first world is destroyed by the offsetting power of Sergei Donave and the power beyond regeneration of Artiel Donore, the second world that was overlapped will only appear.
　And at that moment, the destroyed first world will be re-created.
　If my destruction cannot be stopped, then I can create a new world without stopping.
　Worlds continue to be created endlessly, trying to unleash the power to destroy hundreds and thousands of worlds.
The world is not only 3 or 1 but hundred-thousands-endlessly of worlds. Author use word re-create for desribe the destroyed world which was recreated and create for the new world. If world in layer one is get detroyed, world in layer two or/and three will only appear, and at the moment the destroyed world will being re-created. The world is endlessly being re-create and create/appear, thats make world in devil garden is more and more get added endlessly

Every santuary is just microcosm of the bubble. And microcosm is microscopic, miniature, a copy of a larger place, a small unit. So that world is very limited by bubble and treated only as subsets of it, and make bubble is infinitely greater in all part of the universes(santuary) because universes is only a small unit in infinite bubble. It also mean every santuaries have same similliar structure
「各々の神域は、世界の縮図。世界の根源の上限が決まっているように、ダ・ク・カダーテの火露の数は決まっていて、この神域の花の数も決まっています」
"Each sanctuary is a microcosm of the world. Just as the upper limit of the root of the world is fixed, the number of fire dewdrops in da ku kadate is fixed, as is the number of flowers in this sanctuary."

So bubble is infinite in size and could contain world/universe with different time and space. The world is also just a microcosm in the bubble. So the bubble may not have infinite number of universe in it but can contain infinite number of universe in it. It mean bubble is low 1C 2A structure because can contain infinite number of universe. i made this based on this thread:
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Hmm, kinda true..
 
Elizhaa said:
Honestly, from what I read, I am leaning toward agreeing with most of imZer0Null's points.
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Can I ask why even though atleast 4 realms are different space time continuums. Also even Future world itself can be argued for Possibly 2B rating. It contains all possible future timelines in it. That's from present to all future.
 
Elizhaa said:
Honestly, from what I read, I am leaning toward agreeing with most of imZer0Null's points.
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Null argues about the Azure Sky of The Gods and the black sky (which is inside the bubble world) so possible the Azure Sky of The Gods and the black sky should be 2-B, which is capable to contain countless santuaries of god, but the size of the bubble world is described as infinite, the bubble world may not contain infinite universes on its own, but it seems like it's an actual physical space that could encompass infinitely-many of those worlds, that's what Ultima once agreed on
https://vsbattles.com/threads/possi...-2-a-range-upgrade.122926/page-3#post-4077018

so do you think the bubble world should be 2-A? I hope you can answer, because I just want this thread to finish
 
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XarxesBreak said:
Null argues about the Azure Sky of The Gods and the black sky (which is inside the bubble world) so possible the Azure Sky of The Gods and the black sky should be 2-B, which is capable to contain countless santuaries of god, but the size of the bubble world is described as infinite, the bubble world may not contain infinite universes on its own, but it seems like it's an actual physical space that could encompass infinitely-many of those worlds, that's what Ultima once agreed on
https://vsbattles.com/threads/possi...-2-a-range-upgrade.122926/page-3#post-4077018

so do you think the bubble world should be 2-A? I hope you can answer, because I just want this thread to finish
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The way you took everything out of context of what the people who posted it did is alarming
 
Not quite sure on Elizhaa's opinion, as imZer0Null has said alot of things in this thread which could lead to multiple different conclusions. So what exact conclusion they have reached from imZer0Null's points is unclear to me, with their being a possibility that conclusion they reached is the same as mine.
 
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Everything12 said:
Not quite sure on Elizhaa's opinion, as imZer0Null has said alot of things in this thread which could lead to multiple different conclusions. So what exact conclusion they have reached from imZer0Null's points is unclear to me.
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Yo put you through.
Null has accepted (kind of) that sanctuaries are low 2C via having about 4 quality and all sanctuaries are said to have the same structure.

Null disagrees with 2A bubble because the azure sky that contains countless sanctuaries isn't stated to be informed, OP and nightmare say regardless of whether azure sky is infinite, its a finite 4D structure that is inside the bubble and with the bubble being infinite it can contain an infinite amount of the azure sky
 
Like I said, imZer0Null's has proposed multiple different conclusions to this thread. 2-B bubbles to no changes at all are equally possible takeaways from the points imZer0Null has given.
 
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